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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:13:18 PM
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coldfire
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If you never had a set of squats which requires more than 5 minutes to recover to get the next set completed, then you don't train heavy.
i never said i've never had a set like that, i said he has really long rest times if it takes him as much as 45min. just for squats, which is 100% true unless he's doing over 15 sets which i know he isnt.
And what does it mean? What is considered a long rest time?
i would consider 30 to under 60 short, 60-about 120 pretty standard and more than that is long. more than 5 being really long
Long for what? What is the meaning of this?
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:15:53 PM
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David1991
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i dont know what kind of answer ur looking for here
if u dont know what long means go look it up
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:26:37 PM
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I believe David was saying that 30 seconds-1 minute is short. And 1 minute-2 minutes is pretty standard.
Personally if I'm lifting heavy weight on squats/deads/ sometimes bench/etc (heavy to me btw), I like to take atleast 4-5 minutes to hit the next set, if not more.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:27:32 PM
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That's ok, I didn't think you could answer that.
Saying 5 minutes is a long rest time is meaningless, unless you define the training goal.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:32:12 PM
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David1991
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Saying 5 minutes is a long rest time is meaningless, unless you define the training goal.
obviously i meant in comparison to most educated lifters training. of course there are exceptions but i would assume u understood what i meant.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 2:57:45 PM
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Saying 5 minutes is a long rest time is meaningless, unless you define the training goal.
obviously i meant in comparison to most educated lifters training. of course there are exceptions but i would assume u understood what i meant.
What does it have to do with educated lifters training? I think you are missing the point.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 3:03:01 PM
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David1991
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Saying 5 minutes is a long rest time is meaningless, unless you define the training goal.
obviously i meant in comparison to most educated lifters training. of course there are exceptions but i would assume u understood what i meant.
What does it have to do with educated lifters training? I think you are missing the point.
I understand ur point that the rest times are relative to the trainee and the goal. Ur looking to far into what i originally posted.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/8/2008 3:47:36 PM
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Alright, you got me. I am Steven Hawking, and bodybuilding is my new hobby. I am sick of physics. I wish I could train, and not just read about others training.
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In reality all of us here are playing out this scenario just different goals, we put our bodies through god awful time spent working out and eating to a near perfect point for years to MAYBE reach a goal.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 4:48:42 AM
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the reasons why my sessions may last near an hour now, is all the loading and unloading of plates!!!
I always bite my tonuge when people get so anal about rest times, it's ALL good, I've rested over 10mins between sets (thats how I built my foundation), I also love to only rest 30sec. and really test my muscle endurance (get a good GH boost doing that).
it ALL good!!!
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thanks again, and when it comes to labor, some labor is really stressful, however when it comes to lifting heavy things most of the day, that is like relaxing for me, and I was never a natural at that stuff (even though I've done labor since age 14, I toughed it out and hurt myself many times) Now I'm "trained" to lift things.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 4:53:26 AM
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the reasons why my sessions may last near an hour now, is all the loading and unloading of plates!!!
I always bite my tonuge when people get so anal about rest times, it's ALL good, I've rested over 10mins between sets (thats how I built my foundation), I also love to only rest 30sec. and really test my muscle endurance (get a good GH boost doing that).
it ALL good!!!
That's my point. There is no such thing as long rest time. It all depends on what you are doing, so it's ALL good.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 5:50:51 AM
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When I'm doing high rep, moderate weight stuff then I usually keep the rest times around 1 - 2 minutes since it doesn't take me a long time to get ready for another set.
What I'm doing now, which is the low-rep, heavy training, I usually rest for almost 10 minutes in between sets of squats and benches. For OH press and power cleans, my rest times are about 3 to 5 minutes between sets. I only do 1 heavy set of deadlifts, but I do a few warm-up sets and my rest times between warm-up sets are about 5 minutes each. It's the squats that take forever. I do 4 - 5 ramping warm-up sets with like 5 minute rests in between each one of those sets, then the 3 working sets takes about 20 - 25 minutes total to do. Recovering from a heavy set of squats definately takes some time. There's no way I'd get my a** back under that bar in under 5 minutes, I'd probably kill myself. If I don't bulls*** with anyone at the gym during my rests, then I can usually get done in just over 1 1/2 hours. But the average time for a workout lately is 1 3/4 hours.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 8:54:09 AM
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When I'm doing high rep, moderate weight stuff then I usually keep the rest times around 1 - 2 minutes since it doesn't take me a long time to get ready for another set.
What I'm doing now, which is the low-rep, heavy training, I usually rest for almost 10 minutes in between sets of squats and benches. For OH press and power cleans, my rest times are about 3 to 5 minutes between sets. I only do 1 heavy set of deadlifts, but I do a few warm-up sets and my rest times between warm-up sets are about 5 minutes each. It's the squats that take forever. I do 4 - 5 ramping warm-up sets with like 5 minute rests in between each one of those sets, then the 3 working sets takes about 20 - 25 minutes total to do. Recovering from a heavy set of squats definately takes some time. There's no way I'd get my a** back under that bar in under 5 minutes, I'd probably kill myself. If I don't bulls*** with anyone at the gym during my rests, then I can usually get done in just over 1 1/2 hours. But the average time for a workout lately is 1 3/4 hours.
holy crap 10min. between sets?? damn i just cant see how that long is needed. when i do heavy lifting (like 5x5 for example) the most i rest like 3min. or so, but i could see upto 5 for some. after that it'd be pointless for me because i'd be ready to go again or at least i should. what do u do for 10min. just waiting around??
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the reasons why my sessions may last near an hour now, is all the loading and unloading of plates!!!
lol yea thats annoying. right now im supposed to rest about 30sec. in between sets but when i switch exercises it takes me like 4-5min. to set up for my next supersets
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 9:08:04 AM
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lol yea thats annoying. right now im supposed to rest about 30sec. in between sets but when i switch exercises it takes me like 4-5min. to set up for my next supersets
Your gym s too crowded to set a station, where you have everything prepared. No wonder you don't find the routines as taxing as I did. my 30 sec rests were timed and tight, never hit more than 15 seconds over.
it's not too crowded at all
i dont see how u could possible unload a bar after deadlifting and set up the appropriate dumbells and pulldown bar in 30 seconds.
for me once i finish the t-push ups i put the bands away, walk over to the DL bar and unload it, get the dumbells for bulgarian split squat and bring it over to the pull down machine and then go.
usually i'd say i get the exact rest times during supersets and anywhere from 1.5-4min. between supersets depending on the exercises.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 9:19:22 AM
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David1991
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I'm in my living room, I set it all up in advance so it is prepeared. I don't have to worry about deloading anything until I am finished everything.
I have 1 easy bar, 1 straight bar (all be it a wussy 17# one), and like 6 pairs of dumbell bars, and a cople fixed dumbbells.
But in a gym, I can absolutely understand why you would not be able to do that.
yea i mean when i go during the week i get there at around 5:30am so its not crowded but theres still like 10 people working out. i can tie up 2 things at a time, but definitely not 6.
saturdays sometimes i have trouble with just 2 but usually its not a problem, it's usually some old guy who just sits down where i have to go to
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 9:21:04 AM
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what do u do for 10min. just waiting around??
I wait for my legs to be able to work properly again, so I can do another ridiculously hard set of squats.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 10:17:02 AM
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what do u do for 10min. just waiting around??
I wait for my legs to be able to work properly again, so I can do another ridiculously hard set of squats.
What about waiting for the feeling that you are dying to go away?
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 10:27:11 AM
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David1991
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what do u do for 10min. just waiting around??
I wait for my legs to be able to work properly again, so I can do another ridiculously hard set of squats.
i mean do u just sit around? i'd get pretty bored after 10min. but maybe thats just me
btw i (and i think most) find a set of 20rep squats to failure much much harder than 5 rep squats.
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RE: I don't understand why I even lift anymore - 5/9/2008 10:48:42 AM
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Yes, that feeling of that I'm dying takes a while to fade also, lol.
Ya it's kinda boring waiting around, but I gots to do what i gots to do.
I'm familiar with the grueling feeling of 20 rep squats too. They are brutal in their own way, but a totally different animal the a heavy set of 5. 20 rep squats make me feel like I'm gonna puke from lack of breath. I think I saw the devil himself stare me in the eyes once, while I was on my 18th rep, it was sweet. I asked him if he wanted to hang out and smoke a doobie later. Yup, they aren't easy.
5 rep, heavy squats make me feel like that at any moment a muscle could just tear. It's like, "Hmm, I may not make it all the way back up if I go for this next rep. My quad may just split down the middle, and I'll collapse, and this bar will fall on top of me" Or my spine could snap in half if I don't give it my 100% to maintain good back posture. It's not recommended to go into a heavy set of squats not fully ready.
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