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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 9:25:42 AM
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twistedlink
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lol not to mention the contradiction of the mustard gas anyway
so he had a weapon of war?
dont most countries have that? LOL
and before anyone says
"yeah but iraq is violent, theyd cause more wars than us"
Please please please count the amount of actual wars iraq has had in the past 30 years, now count americas, i think youll find america is rather high up in the "lets go to war!" league tables.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 9:36:56 AM
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Also, lets have a nice history lesson to show that us 1st world countries arent exactly angels of peace and love
World war 2 when hitler was killing jews, did we bat an eyelid?
**** no, in fact most europeans had similar ideas.
USA had a STERILISATION CAMP for black people in california
It was called "eugenics" and it was believed (and is true really...) that people of "**** genetics" (genetics being a loose term considering DNA wasnt found then, but they knew characteristics came from dad and mum) made **** genetic children, so of course hitler killed jews and disabled and twins, and america sterilised the blacks.
The ONLY reason ANY european country went to war with germany is because HITLER INVADED.
If hitler didnt invade NOTHING would be done about them jew death camps, nothing.
And now, many countries have vile acts happening, which im sure you can easily watch on the internet, yet we dont go to save them, the only time we will is when we find a tonne of oil underneath them or if they attack us first.
Im not trying to do down USA or UK or other "top countries" but at the end of the day were ALL THE SAME, we keep ourselves to ourselves, and if we do see a nice juicy opening, we propaganda the **** out of it to keep our labels as the "civilised countries with compassion"
Its an entire theatrical monument of bullshit, and the quicker everyones realises this about governments the better.
Lets not forget vile acts have been done by US and UK troops when we imprisoned afghans and iraqis.
We seem to think theyre vile and disgusting sub human bastards, yet loads of our people do the same thing
The iraqis hate the kurds, so they torture them
The US and UK hate the iraqis, so when we capture them we torture them or do very sadistic and embaressing things to them while taking pictures and filming and putting it onto the internet.
Humans are vile creatures, American flag or not, Uk flag or not, amazing speeches or not, nice soundbites or not.
Nothing changes, apart from the iron curtain of propaganda which evolves to our changing cultures and intelligences.
we havent got more civilised at all, we just think we are.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 6:47:45 PM
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People keep bringing up that 'the demolition needed to be wired up which everyone would see', can I just point out that a lot of companies use remote demolition when demolishing buildings and structures, with nothing needing to be wired up.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 7:48:57 PM
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Even assuming that's true, there's still all kinds of prep work and such that would be visible, not to mention that the firemen, etc. on the site would have noticed the explosions. It's not like you just strap a few explosives to a couple key members of a building - there's a great deal more that is done. In a normal demolition, whole floors are gutted. Some structural elements are weakened or removed before the explosive charges are set to kick out the remainder. Dozens or hundreds of people are involved in setting it up. It would be impossible for someone to rig a building for explosive demolition without someone noticing.
Besides that, the whole idea is so bizarre and convoluted and strange - it just doesn't make sense. Why destroy WTC #7? The alleged goal is to cover up some sort of evidence that was in the building, but why did they put it there in the first place? I mean, why put yourself in a position that you'll have to engage in a clandestine controlled demolition of a building in order to cover up the fact that you just framed terrorists for knocking down two other buildings right next door? Wouldn't it be simpler to simply not produce that evidence? Or just put it in the shredder or whatever? Or take it to some secret military base? I mean, if these guys were so slick and it was such a small cabal of people that pulled off this grand scheme, why did they produce so much evidence that they had to blow up a whole building to cover it up and why would they put that evidence right at the scene of the crime?
What could the possible motivation be for blowing up that particular building that couldn't be handled more inconspicuously? There were offices of various government agencies there, but that's true of like half the office buildings in the country and dozens of others in the vicinity of the WTC. Are they trying to protect a future Rudy Giuliani presidential campaign by blowing up his command-center/love-nest? Fat lot of good that did 'em.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 8:42:40 PM
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I'm definitely against the conspiracy, but the Pentagon photos do perplex me a bit. Any insight on that Jheft? About the debris and all that?
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 10:01:28 PM
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haha dont worry guys im against the conspiracy too, just had to get a few points off my chest lol
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 11:59:03 PM
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Even assuming that's true, there's still all kinds of prep work and such that would be visible, not to mention that the firemen, etc. on the site would have noticed the explosions. It's not like you just strap a few explosives to a couple key members of a building - there's a great deal more that is done. In a normal demolition, whole floors are gutted. Some structural elements are weakened or removed before the explosive charges are set to kick out the remainder. Dozens or hundreds of people are involved in setting it up. It would be impossible for someone to rig a building for explosive demolition without someone noticing.
Besides that, the whole idea is so bizarre and convoluted and strange - it just doesn't make sense. Why destroy WTC #7? The alleged goal is to cover up some sort of evidence that was in the building, but why did they put it there in the first place? I mean, why put yourself in a position that you'll have to engage in a clandestine controlled demolition of a building in order to cover up the fact that you just framed terrorists for knocking down two other buildings right next door? Wouldn't it be simpler to simply not produce that evidence? Or just put it in the shredder or whatever? Or take it to some secret military base? I mean, if these guys were so slick and it was such a small cabal of people that pulled off this grand scheme, why did they produce so much evidence that they had to blow up a whole building to cover it up and why would they put that evidence right at the scene of the crime?
What could the possible motivation be for blowing up that particular building that couldn't be handled more inconspicuously? There were offices of various government agencies there, but that's true of like half the office buildings in the country and dozens of others in the vicinity of the WTC. Are they trying to protect a future Rudy Giuliani presidential campaign by blowing up his command-center/love-nest? Fat lot of good that did 'em.
idk why they would destroy the buildings, probably not for the billions of dollars of insurance on them.
also you mentioned that firemen would have heard these explosions...didnt you see the movie? it showed first hand reports from the firemen themselves saying they hear secondary explosions. did you hear the janitor in the basement who was hit in the face with cement and required reconstructive surgery? why would cement sections suddenly explode with enough force to give someone a real make over when supposedly the only explosion was hundreds of feet up on the building?
http://www.piratenews.org/thermite-thermate-wtc-steel400.jpg and can someone tell me why the steel beam in the background is cut at a pretty little angle like that?
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/7/2008 1:02:27 AM
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http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
I thought this was a quick and interesting watch about the pentagon. Are you guys also saying conspiracy about the pentagon is wrong? Because I think that is even harder for you to prove that it is what we are told it is, than the WTC, I've read sites trying to prove and analyse that a 757 did hit the pentagon, but when you add everything up it seems like a lot of unlikely events had to have taken place all in one go for it to unfold the way it did.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/7/2008 6:01:04 AM
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When people start understanding that 9/11 was nothing more than a false flag operation then we can start to piece the path we have been going down since then. Look at the evidence, the story the government sold us. Men in caves, half a world away, were able to highjack 4 planes with boxcutters and have NORAD shut down that day on war games missions. Yep, I'm guessing it was OBL (sarcasm). Wake up people, look at the last 8 years. You must follow the truth no matter where or who it takes you you to. Jheft can have his love fest with the other incompetent people, but that won't get us anywhere. Every dubunking you have claimed has been dubunked itself.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/7/2008 6:43:17 AM
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also you mentioned that firemen would have heard these explosions...didnt you see the movie? it showed first hand reports from the firemen themselves saying they hear secondary explosions.
It would be expected to hear some loud noises and explosions as the building collapsed, as supports failed and air was forcibly blown out of collapsing floors. It's not clear that they heard explosions before the building collapsed, which would have occurred in a controlled demolition. Such explosions would have been obvious to everyone on the scene, and would have been visible on the video. Even if it weren't for that, it still falls apart because there's no reasonable motivation for destroying that particular building.
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did you hear the janitor in the basement who was hit in the face with cement and required reconstructive surgery? why would cement sections suddenly explode with enough force to give someone a real make over when supposedly the only explosion was hundreds of feet up on the building?
Leaving aside the fact that I don't find it surprising in the least that someone was hit with flying debris in a collapsing building, cement structures can actually explode as they fail. If a cement support suddenly is supporting a great deal more load than it can bear, because other supports have failed, it can come flying apart with some force. It's not like it's going to just squish like putty.
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http://www.piratenews.org/thermite-thermate-wtc-steel400.jpg and can someone tell me why the steel beam in the background is cut at a pretty little angle like that?
Selective observation. There are thousands of beams in those buildings, shredded at all sorts of angles. If that one beam cut an an angle like that supports the conspiracy theory, then the thousands of others that show no pattern debunk it. Much of the support of the twin towers was in beams on the outside of the building, and those beams would have had to have been blown in a controlled demolition. If those were rigged with explosives, how is it that nobody ever noticed the explosives on the outside of the building?
If the contention is that the two towers were also felled by controlled demolitions, there are some other problems that need to be explained. The collapses clearly started at the the floors that were hit by planes. In a controlled demolition, the explosives are set on lower floors. Even if they did set them on the upper floors, how did they manage to set them on the exact floors that would be hit by the planes? How would they survive the impact to still have their effect?
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I thought this was a quick and interesting watch about the pentagon.
I can't watch the video because I'm at work, but I find the theories that the Pentagon wasn't actually hit by a plane pretty absurd. Here are a couple of problems off the top of my head:
1) If that 747 didn't hit the building, where did the plane full of people go? Area 51? The Bermuda triangle?
2) How did the remains of the passengers get on the scene?
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You've given no new facts to support your case, and you've yet to address many important problems I've brought up with your "theory".
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/7/2008 6:50:04 AM
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Actually, I stand corrected on the issue of that beam -- this page has some closer photos (scroll down a bit). That beam was cut by steelworkers during the clean-up operation; that's not the state it was in after the collapse.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/9/2008 7:04:21 PM
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well if you all feel that it was some terrorists hidden in caves thousands of miles away, fine, ill let you belive what you want. but its not like governments have never attacked their own people to get into wars, enable new right-removing acts, or enrage their people to a point where they think irrationally. yeah, the burning of the reichstag was caused by those pesky commies! the holocaust never happened! roosevelt never knew about the coming attack on pearl harbor! 9/11 was caused by those evil islamic extremists!! we must give up some of our freedoms in order for protection!! hmmm psyche.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/9/2008 7:18:25 PM
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well if you all feel that it was some terrorists hidden in caves thousands of miles away, fine, ill let you belive what you want. but its not like governments have never attacked their own people to get into wars, enable new right-removing acts, or enrage their people to a point where they think irrationally. yeah, the burning of the reichstag was caused by those pesky commies! the holocaust never happened! roosevelt never knew about the coming attack on pearl harbor! 9/11 was caused by those evil islamic extremists!! we must give up some of our freedoms in order for protection!! hmmm psyche.
So you think the us was respnsible for 9/11
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/9/2008 7:19:36 PM
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I think I'm starting to side with the conspiracy, just look at this video I found on youtube that talks about WTC 7.
damn you...lol
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/9/2008 7:51:43 PM
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I think I'm starting to side with the conspiracy, just look at this video I found on youtube that talks about WTC 7.
That video actually presents some pretty compelling evidence that I hadn't seen addressed before. I may have to reconsider my position.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/10/2008 2:43:25 AM
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I think I'm starting to side with the conspiracy, just look at this video I found on youtube that talks about WTC 7.
My exact words were, *sigh* "what a dickhead"
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