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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 6:10:03 AM   
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Ya know I do it all for the ladies.

Unfortunately, obsessive displays of logic don't go over so well at parties and the like. My only other demonstrable talent is the human blockhead, but that has an ick factor, so it doesn't get me that much trim.


I don't get it jheft, you are obviously very political. You seem like the type who would work on campaigns, go to "town Hall meetings", and otherwise be rather involved, and all those little mixers, parties, fundraisers and crap. (Ok maybe you don't like that sceen, and I am making incorrect assuptions).

How are you not hot sh*t with the women, who do those activities???? 

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 6:41:20 AM   
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 10:08:03 AM   
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oh i forgot you are also a blacksmith...well then i won't question you ever again. But to point out, that a building of that magnitude completely turns to dust in less then 10 seconds, basically free falling, and being told it's because of fire is complete bs and you know it just as well. i think it's time you use your obsessive display of logic to wake up to the world you live in. you can go on hating GW, hoping for change; change will never happen precisly because of people like yourself.


You know I completely forgot that you were above stupid attacks on character!

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 1:32:57 PM   
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its really not, but thats your opinion.


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and Jheft theres no point in argueing with you, you obviously feel so strongly about this that there is no questions that need to be answered, no secrets, nothing is obviously going to change that.


Don't put words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that this Loose Change business is so far out in the fevered swamps that it's embarrassing.


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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 1:54:37 PM   
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Ya know I do it all for the ladies.

Unfortunately, obsessive displays of logic don't go over so well at parties and the like. My only other demonstrable talent is the human blockhead, but that has an ick factor, so it doesn't get me that much trim.


I don't get it jheft, you are obviously very political. You seem like the type who would work on campaigns, go to "town Hall meetings", and otherwise be rather involved, and all those little mixers, parties, fundraisers and crap. (Ok maybe you don't like that sceen, and I am making incorrect assuptions).

How are you not hot sh*t with the women, who do those activities???? 


They aren't goodlooking?

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 2:01:39 PM   
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Maybe we should start a "Why isn't Jheft hot **** with women" thread and let this one die, having long since outlived it's usefulness.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 4:31:04 PM   
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yeah your right, since your clearly correct on the issue and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Awesome.

Im all for letting this thing die, and have been for a long time simply due to pompus and arogent attitudes floating around here.

Actually can a mod just lock/delete this?



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Maybe we should start a "Why isn't Jheft hot **** with women" thread and let this one die, having long since outlived it's usefulness.


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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 4:40:03 PM   
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This thread will haunt dbb forever.

I saved every post, so even if it's deleted I can recreate it!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 6:26:09 PM   
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yeah your right, since your clearly correct on the issue and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Awesome.

Im all for letting this thing die, and have been for a long time simply due to pompus and arogent attitudes floating around here.

Actually can a mod just lock/delete this?



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Maybe we should start a "Why isn't Jheft hot **** with women" thread and let this one die, having long since outlived it's usefulness.



Finally you get it! Thats what I've been saying...

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 8:28:09 PM   
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 9:08:39 PM   
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3 cheers for rational free thought!

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 9:40:44 PM   
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3 cheers for rational free thought!


Can't stop loling at you for believing the goverment would NEVER lie to you, because of course, that would be unheard of.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/5/2008 10:38:08 PM   
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Did I ever say that?

No I didn't, i believe the government lies to me every day. And I would bet they are lying about 9/11, at least parts of it. But for those people who have spent actual time studding these buildings, not newspaper clippings and videos on the internet, the "controlled demo" theory is just too far fetched. I do believe that it was a terrorist attack, I do believe that Bin Laden was responsible, and the war in Afghanistan (sp?) was needed.

Bottom line is that thousands of good people died that day. The theory that our government killed thousands of our own for some sort of tiny personal gain by a story put together through acquaintances and former business partners is asinine. Bush is already rich! Would we kill a few Americans for a gain? Yeah I think you'd be naive to think our government wouldn't.

But for something of this size, as much as the left hates the right and the right hates the left someone would have leaked something to a newspaper somewhere in the world. And by "something" I mean everything. and dont tell me that they all are in on it in Washington, because there are thousands of people who run Washington, and I cant even convince 3 people at my work to not say anything about that one night I made out with my manager.... 9/11 is a little bigger than that and I only had to convince the 3 people who were there that night... but yet everyone knows about it.

So yeah our government lies, alot. I just dont believe in things that are impossible. Mainly because of the word impossible, it kind of makes my choice of to believe or not an easy one.      

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 2:16:55 AM   
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Thing is, everyone who thinks it's too farfetched is far overthinking it. It would only need a few people at the very very top to know about it, and then organise for explosives to be planted in a skyscraper and planes to be jacked. Thats it. I think it would be extremely easy for people to plant explosives - which they could have been doing for months in order to not cause suspicion - in the buildings if people weren't suspecting anything, which of course they weren't, just need to find the right time. And jacking planes? well the simplicity of that speaks for itself. Then any evidence is destroyed in the collapse of the buildings.


To summarise:

A few of the very highest people (could be no more than 10) in the goverment knew about it.
Explosives placed into a building when nobody was suspecting anything.
Planes hijacked.


Sounds pretty simple to me really, and thats why I don't find it hard to believe. Simple plan with huge gains to be made from it.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 2:33:23 AM   
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More americans have been killed/injured in the afghan war and iraq war than the world trade centres


So would america kill its own people to get its own way?

well yeah, it already has done so in two pointless wars, i dont see how finding bin laden would ever solve anything, i dont see how killing thousands of afghan rebels and civilians has somehow stopped terrorism.

In actual fact since the two wars have occured terrorism is thrown around all the time nowadays.

Iraq never had WMD, yet america still put thousands of its own people into the country to be killed and injured for what?

what did we gain from that war?

Oil, so would the american government hurt its own people for oil or a political stance such as "terrorism"

well yes, it has done so time and time again in the past decade.


As to 9/11, dunno, it is farfetched to think afghan extremists know how to fly a plane rather accurately into something that is pretty small considering the speed.

EDIT:I mean some sources say they had flight simulators, sorry, but wtf? thats like me saying "sir! make a me a general on the battlefield! Im really good at command and conquer and have under 20 losses out of over 4000 games online!"

Its pathetic, no way could they do that with a damn simulator, and also, its not as if afghans or russians or any asian country willing to help them have the planes that were used for them to practice in, i know a lot is computerised in planes but you still need to know how to work the computer and which buttons to press.

Regardless of whether it was a controlled demolition, america has paid extremists to car bomb the basement of that building, whos to say they didnt pay off bin laddy lad to get some of his suicide hotliners to cruise into some buildings.

lol i mean i remember many years ago on these boards about the iraq war, and all sources (official governmental and investigation departments) made it extremely clear WMD were being made, and spy planes were picking up tonnes of evidence.

Since the war **** has been found, hell the most problematic thing the iraqis have are roadside mines, which fail a lot anyway.

Im just trying to point out that if there is ANYTHING to gain, it is easy to control sources of information, it is EASY to make the public and even the professionals who are relatively low down in the heirarchy system think what the big daddies are telling them.

This is why before you read a nice sourced site/journal/book, just sit back, and collect all known true data, not what the sources are saying but other sources, unbiased ones, and put your own theorem together.

Too many people read something and believe it without even doing a background check, Despite the might of the American government and CIA photographs in spy planes etc, it is now FACT that iraq is simply a giant ****ing desert that had no weapons, but were loving the oil right now.

Dont trust anything if there is something to gain from what it is telling you, it is biased and therefore carries an extremely high chance of being absolute ****ing bullshit


EDIT:As to loads of people needing to know about the controlled demolition, no idea, is it easy to spot explosives? I honestly have no idea, and i dont really trust an internet search, because since 9/11 im pretty sure most sites that explain anything will either be pro 9/11 conspiracy or not pro 9/11 conspiracy meaning il have to read pages of inane ranting and bullshit and not come to an unbiased conclusion.

The best bet would be to find some very old sources pre 2001 9/11, which quite honestly i cant be bothered to do.

If a group of people can hook up explosives that can be hidden without being caught, then theres no reason why thousands of people need to "be in on it"


A lot of firemen did notice consecutive explosions similar to demolition of each floor explosion, but no offence, theyre firemen, regardless of demolition a building collapsing is going to be ****ing loud and its going to sound like an explosion, so what they say cant really be taken terribly seriously as far as accuracy.

I still find the pentagon crash weird though, i mean google search any plane crash images and youll see giant plane carcasses with the engines burnt to **** etc.

This one had a tiny skid mark, some black stuff round the edges and a few bits of scrap metal, and dont say fuel burnt the plane entirely, fuel wont burn the entire plane to a crisp.

Im not pro conspiracy or pro not conspiracy.

I dont know enough about buildings or the research gone into it, all im saying is dont believe everything you see or hear or what someone tells you, there is individual and political gain in damn near everything, so taking one source as absolute bentover fact is what some like to say "epic fail"



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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 7:36:22 AM   
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lol in all this I had pretty much forgotten about the pentagon incident. That just takes the piss right there and screams 'COVER UP'.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 8:43:28 AM   
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 Twisted, no, we didn't find any nuclear weapons of mass destruction, however we did find enough mustard gas to kill a small nation.

Let's not forget about the death camps either with thousands of women and children in them.

Let's also not forget that Saddam and his family had a rape chamber, where they would tie women up, electricute them until they piss'd themselves uncontrollably, rape them, beat them, slit their children's throat in front of them, made them eat their childrens genitalia/feces.

It's not like the above was isolated incidents either, those kind of things happened to people daily.

Also, you said how will finding Bin Laden solve anything?  Besides the fact that it will put a very influential, and potential martyr out of the picture, we can also get vital information from him to stop future attacks.

Also, say I killed your family and fiancee, and then sent you a video laughing about it, wouldn't you want to find me?

Also, as far as the oil goes, yes we're getting more oil from the area now, but we also restored that country to a non-barbaric state.

People go wild when they hear, "13 soldiers killed in the Middle East today" in the news.

Fact is, that's 13 people killed in the ENTIRE Middle East.  If you actually look at where these people were killed it was sporatic, hell, one of them died by falling into the Euphrede's river (think that's the name, not sure).

People forget how big the Middle East is.  If I were to broadcast how many American's died in America today, it would probably be well over 5,000. 

The war isn't pointless.

Also, as far as demolitions go, they need det-cord, which would have to be strung all over the building.  Look at the video of it falling where people point out the windows exploding and debris coming out, that's after the building has already started falling, ie the top floor hit the floor below it, causing a giant rush of air outwards.

Do I think they had knowledge of what our government was doing that day?  Yes, I think so.  If I was going to commit a terrorist attack I would do it on the day there was a drill for the same kind of attack too.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 9:08:06 AM   
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Twisted, no, we didn't find any nuclear weapons of mass destruction, however we did find enough mustard gas to kill a small nation.

Source?

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[Various horrible crimes by the Hussein regime]

All horrible, yes, but somehow the same people insisting the war was necessary can't find the energy to even send a get well card to people in the dozens of other countries where the exact same kind of stuff is going on. A bunch of them worked pretty hard to protect the culture of forced prostitution, forced abortion, sweatshops and the like in the US commonwealth of the Norther Mariana Islands. In many parts of Africa and the Middle East female genital mutiliation is a standard cultural practice. If you want to get your righteous anger on, Google "fistula".


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People go wild when they hear, "13 soldiers killed in the Middle East today" in the news.

Fact is, that's 13 people killed in the ENTIRE Middle East. If you actually look at where these people were killed it was sporatic, hell, one of them died by falling into the Euphrede's river (think that's the name, not sure).

People forget how big the Middle East is. If I were to broadcast how many American's died in America today, it would probably be well over 5,000.

That's 13 American solders, conveniently ignoring the dozens and hundreds of Iraqi civilians and policemen killed weekly by car bombs, beheadings, etc. The number of homicides in this country is a few thousand per year. Iraq, 1/6th the size, has hundreds every week. Millions of Iraqis are refugees, displaced from their homes. Access to clean water and electricity is worse than before the invasion.

And Iran is all that much more powerful.

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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/6/2008 9:10:57 AM   
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Twisted, no, we didn't find any nuclear weapons of mass destruction, however we did find enough mustard gas to kill a small nation.

This has been known and in iraq for decades, just like most other middle eastern countries, why go for iraq alone?

Let's not forget about the death camps either with thousands of women and children in them.

Again, been known for decades and is the same with nearly every other middle eastern country

Let's also not forget that Saddam and his family had a rape chamber, where they would tie women up, electricute them until they piss'd themselves uncontrollably, rape them, beat them, slit their children's throat in front of them, made them eat their childrens genitalia/feces.

It's not like the above was isolated incidents either, those kind of things happened to people daily.

Again, been known for quite some time and is still in most other middle eastern countries and eastern asia, as well as northern asia, as well as europe, South America and pretty damn near the entire world

Also, you said how will finding Bin Laden solve anything?  Besides the fact that it will put a very influential, and potential martyr out of the picture, we can also get vital information from him to stop future attacks.

But we havent caught him, and correct me if im wrong but there have been no significant future attacks planned by bin laden or his cronies? Only mildly organised rebel groups in the london bombings and spanish train bombing, which bin laden never planned or had executed, it was done by muslim extremists yes but they werent involved directly with bin laden

Also, say I killed your family and fiancee, and then sent you a video laughing about it, wouldn't you want to find me?

Well thats the conspiracy groups point, make a massive killing and have someone send a video laughing about it, you have an entire nation backing you to take down as many countries as you want, im not siding with shadow or anyone here, im just objectively pointing things out

Also, as far as the oil goes, yes we're getting more oil from the area now, but we also restored that country to a non-barbaric state.

Why iraq though?
Why sort out a barbaric country when dozens more exist next to it and around it?
The only difference between iraq and the other violent hell holes over there is oil, and funnily enough the country with "WMD's" was the one with oil.
lol it doesnt take a genius that it was planned for oil all along, and for extra "support" put the word "terrorism" into every single pre war speech every 5 damn seconds

People go wild when they hear, "13 soldiers killed in the Middle East today" in the news.

Fact is, that's 13 people killed in the ENTIRE Middle East.  If you actually look at where these people were killed it was sporatic, hell, one of them died by falling into the Euphrede's river (think that's the name, not sure).

I dont go wild dont get me wrong im not thinking our troops are all being blasted off the face of the earth (though a lot are) my point is most peoples fight against 9/11 conspiracies is
 
"The american government wouldnt kill thousands of its own people just so it can go to war and get oil"
 
despite the fact that the american government has sent thousands of americans into iraq to occupy a country that is now mainly taking oil.
 
sorry, but america will sacrifice its people for oil, it has happened and is happening right now, no WMD's, no flushing out of extremists, just good ole oil grabbing


People forget how big the Middle East is.  If I were to broadcast how many American's died in America today, it would probably be well over 5,000. 

I dont quite understand the point of this?
So soldiers dying isnt that bad when you consider how many are dying elsewhere?
 
so in world war 1 when the bird flu killed 20 million spanish, who gives a **** about the people who fought the war when many are dying anyway?
 
This logic doesnt really work, youre trying to quantify someones life, when life is purely qualitative

The war isn't pointless.

Of course its not, we now have more oil and we have indeed stopped a "bad man"
 
That doesnt change the fact however that "stopping the bad man" was completely biased in the fact that 50+ more exist around the world and nothing is being done, funnily enough these countries dont have a massive stockpile of oil.
 
Its like in WW2, i dont actually disagree, why should USA get involved until it was directly attacked?
but pearl harbour happens, you bomb japan, and all of a sudden its all down to USA winning, not multi millions of europeans slugging it out for nearly 5 whole years beforehand, of which the scientists who developed the technology for the bomb were european.
 
Im not being naive, i know a country wont go to war for simple honour, of course theyre only going to do so if its advantageous, thats the whole point of war, but what annoys me is the blind patriotism flown around in particularly america as if the war in afghan and iraq is some kind of brave honour bound ass licking testament that all countries should cry in blessing to and take note of this virtuous deeds which they have done.
 
when in reality you just wanted oil.


Also, as far as demolitions go, they need det-cord, which would have to be strung all over the building.  Look at the video of it falling where people point out the windows exploding and debris coming out, that's after the building has already started falling, ie the top floor hit the floor below it, causing a giant rush of air outwards.

To be fair i said i didnt know anything about demolition so i was in neutral ground here

Do I think they had knowledge of what our government was doing that day?  Yes, I think so.  If I was going to commit a terrorist attack I would do it on the day there was a drill for the same kind of attack too.

So youre saying a bunch of sand monkeys with little technology can get into the USA, get enough spies or people into influental places or bribe people enough to get exact military data of air forces, and then within a given time limit (considering i doubt they plan practice scenarios 10 years before they do them, im pretty sure its a couple months or a year in advance at most) plan out an entire attack and find weaknesses in the airlines and also learn to all fly planes extremely accurately into tiny buildings (when going at them speeds) with the skill of an actual jet fighter pilot, is perfectly logical and can be done?

But a government paying off a few extremists to do a dirty deed so they can invade is "completely propostrous?"

Im not on the conspiracy camp, in fact im siding more that it wasnt a conspiracy, i just dont personally like the tone or the reasons as to why its not a conspiracy, the examples of why its not are simply contradictory or useless because governments have lied and done them things in the past, i cant remember the presidents (or to be) name but some MSN american was telling me american history how some dude was really corrupt and was arrested etc, i think it was a president to be...he was planning on doing something highly illegal and the FBI tapped into phone calls etc....
 



Im not trying to disrespect your postings yet, i do know where you're coming from and i agree with them on a SUBJECTIVE PERSONAL level, but i prefer to look at things objectively when it comes to figuring things out, because these happenings have nothing directly to do with you or me, so quite frankly both our subjective opinions on the matter mean diddly squat

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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Twisted, no, we didn't find any nuclear weapons of mass destruction, however we did find enough mustard gas to kill a small nation.


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well he killed a load of kurds with mustard gas which ensued golf war 1, which is why it seemed retarded to me to then go after them after a decade for WMD's, not find them and say "HE HAD MUSTARD GAS THOUGH!"

Well yeah....

Its like being in school and at breaktime you notice a child stealing the teachers pens and getting caught, so you then try at lunchtime get caught too and say "billy was stealing them at breaktime!"

Its a classic "well ****ing dur, no **** sherlock"

Announcing Iraq had mustard gas is like announcing americans are having an obesity problem.

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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