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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 5:19:57 PM
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jheft
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Ya know I do it all for the ladies.
Unfortunately, obsessive displays of logic don't go over so well at parties and the like. My only other demonstrable talent is the human blockhead, but that has an ick factor, so it doesn't get me that much trim.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 5:56:43 PM
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Just wear some tight pants to show off your legs, and wear some breast pads so they don't see your pre-pubescent chest.
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In reality all of us here are playing out this scenario just different goals, we put our bodies through god awful time spent working out and eating to a near perfect point for years to MAYBE reach a goal.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 6:20:44 PM
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Yup...
and they claim the "crazy" conspiracy crack heads are the unreasonable, and the ones who you cant have a conversation with. I have never seen anything like this on this forum, Its basically "You guys are crazy for questioning our government, what they say is the truth and you all are retards."
really sad, makes me regret even starting this in hopes of reasonable intelligent conversations.
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At least you know your post was a fail.
Chris' post made perfect sense.
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ROFL the fact that you even started to type out why a story about 25 cents, aliens, and retarded kids, isn't the same as 9/11, well that just proves my point... again.
Replies like these make me ashamed to be part of the forum.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 6:49:52 PM
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Nobody said you were crazy for questioning the government. You're trying to pin something on the government that's not plausible.
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In reality all of us here are playing out this scenario just different goals, we put our bodies through god awful time spent working out and eating to a near perfect point for years to MAYBE reach a goal.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 7:09:11 PM
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and they claim the "crazy" conspiracy crack heads are the unreasonable, and the ones who you cant have a conversation with. I have never seen anything like this on this forum, Its basically "You guys are crazy for questioning our government, what they say is the truth and you all are retards."
So, you can't address any of the points I raised? None of them involved trusting the government.
I'd hardly what one would call an authoritarian or someone who blindly trusts the government. Quite the contrary - I have an intense distrust of authority, and I hate the current administration, in particular, with a fiery passion. I have, on more than one occasion, described George W. Bush as a monster. But I let that distrust and dislike lead me to believe any ridiculous story somebody thinks up.
Have you seen the Daily Show segment "You're Not Helping"? Bush is bad enough as it is. There are enough actual crimes that have taken place without inventing this kind of nonsense. When people start passing around these sorts of fevered, paranoid fantasies, it just makes things harder. Those of us actually working to change things in this country end up looking bad because we get painted with this crap.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/3/2008 9:02:19 PM
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and they claim the "crazy" conspiracy crack heads are the unreasonable, and the ones who you cant have a conversation with. I have never seen anything like this on this forum, Its basically "You guys are crazy for questioning our government, what they say is the truth and you all are retards."
So, you can't address any of the points I raised? None of them involved trusting the government.
I'd hardly what one would call an authoritarian or someone who blindly trusts the government. Quite the contrary - I have an intense distrust of authority, and I hate the current administration, in particular, with a fiery passion. I have, on more than one occasion, described George W. Bush as a monster. But I let that distrust and dislike lead me to believe any ridiculous story somebody thinks up.
Have you seen the Daily Show segment "You're Not Helping"? Bush is bad enough as it is. There are enough actual crimes that have taken place without inventing this kind of nonsense. When people start passing around these sorts of fevered, paranoid fantasies, it just makes things harder. Those of us actually working to change things in this country end up looking bad because we get painted with this crap.
Amen, I get the feeling I'd get along famously with you.
I'd like to pose a question to all the Loose Change apoligists: if the government is as masterfully ingenius as you all believe it to be and 9/11 is an elaborate conspiracy to allow... whatever the hell it is you all believe, be it Israeli control or pursuit of oil: do you honestly think said government would allow a whistleblower to even live past encoding the final frame on his new iLife suite? This government is so powerful that they somehow silenced hundreds of firemen, paramedics, demolition experts, scientists, airlines attendents and service people and thousands of engineers but they couldn't silence some kid with a 20 dollar piece of software and public domain eerie music?
This kid put together a video of unclassified videos and documents, zoomed up on grainy stills (man on mars anyone? It's a ****ing rock FYI), and people are touting this guy to have uncovered something that makes the Watergate scandal look like the Emancipation Proclamation: it would be one of the, if not the, worst atrocities ever committed in history.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 1:22:41 AM
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It sure is plausible. Look there are things that seem extremly common sense to me, that just seem wrong...im not going to apologize because I question the government and think they are indeed capable of pulling something off like this. Am I 100% sure no, not really. But I am damn sure I dont believe some of the storys they are trying to feed us. I mostly just wanted to get everyones opinions, not have pissing matches over who is right and wrong and who is crazy and retarded for thinking a certain way.
and Jheft theres no point in argueing with you, you obviously feel so strongly about this that there is no questions that need to be answered, no secrets, nothing is obviously going to change that. Thats fine, and I do agree there are other crimes that are also affecting this country.
Now cant we all just hold hands and make some smores?
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Nobody said you were crazy for questioning the government. You're trying to pin something on the government that's not plausible.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 6:19:36 AM
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Now it all makes sense. A "sheep" is someone who listens to what the government says, because all the facts support their claims, and a free-thinker is someone who listens to Dylan Avery, even though none of the facts support his claims.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 6:24:52 AM
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and Jheft theres no point in argueing with you, you obviously feel so strongly about this that there is no questions that need to be answered, no secrets, nothing is obviously going to change that.
Don't put words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that this Loose Change business is so far out in the fevered swamps that it's embarrassing.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 8:41:42 AM
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From The Deseret News - SLC, Utah
Published: Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:19 a.m. MDT
Jones was energized in November when he and others received a response from the national lab charged by Congress to determine why and how the towers collapsed. The letter contained the following phrase:
"We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."
"That," Jones said, "really was progress. It made me believe we could talk with them."
It is striking. After producing a 10,000-page report, the National Institute of Standards and Technology can't explain the collapse. And on its Web site, NIST clearly states that nowhere in its report did it say that steel in the Twin Towers melted due to fires. In fact, the fires reached only 1,000 degrees Celsius. Steel melts at 1,500 degrees Celsius.
Meanwhile, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has said that its best hypothesis for the fall of the third tower, WTC 7 — diesel fuel stored in the building caused fires that collapsed the building — has a "low probability" of being correct.
Keep practicing Jheft...
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 8:44:18 AM
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Forgot to mention from the same article....
Jones wants NIST to look at new evidence he found in Ground Zero dust samples since leaving BYU. The dust is full of iron-rich spheres and red-gray chips with the chemical signatures of high-tech cutter-charge explosives that he said could explain the collapsed towers. The spheres come from molten metal that Jones said could be caused by cutter charges.
"It's like when you spray water into the air, you get droplets," Jones said. "These spheres are evidence of extremely high temperatures beyond what the fires could have reached."
Once again, keep practicing.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 9:02:05 AM
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NIST clearly states that nowhere in its report did it say that steel in the Twin Towers melted due to fires. In fact, the fires reached only 1,000 degrees Celsius. Steel melts at 1,500 degrees Celsius.
You keep repeating stuff that's already been addressed. As any blacksmith can demonstrate, steel doesn't need to melt in order to weaken substantially. Steel at 1000 degrees is going to be much, much weaker than steel at normal temperatures. It will sag, and expand and distort, and under sufficient load, it can fail.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 9:11:11 AM
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oh i forgot you are also a blacksmith...well then i won't question you ever again. But to point out, that a building of that magnitude completely turns to dust in less then 10 seconds, basically free falling, and being told it's because of fire is complete bs and you know it just as well. i think it's time you use your obsessive display of logic to wake up to the world you live in. you can go on hating GW, hoping for change; change will never happen precisly because of people like yourself.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 9:30:00 AM
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Yes, a question does emerge. How could such an operation have occurred in a working office building over weeks or months without it being noticed by any of the thousands of people who work in or around the building? It's not like the rigging could have been hidden in a utility closet.
Still waiting for you to address this point...
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 9:52:28 AM
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Yes, a question does emerge. How could such an operation have occurred in a working office building over weeks or months without it being noticed by any of the thousands of people who work in or around the building? It's not like the rigging could have been hidden in a utility closet.
Still waiting for you to address this point...
i am not for one side or the other BUT most structural beams are not visible by office workers and can only accessed via service doors ect ect. I could see someone/group being able to go into these places unseen or seen without anyone thinking anything is wrong. The same goes for the twin towers.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 10:20:12 AM
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If you've ever seen a setup for a controlled demolition, you'll see that they gut whole floors to properly rig the structural elements. They also remove or pre-weaken many elements beforehand. Beyond that, where would you hide the thousands of feet of detonation cord required to set of the necessary synchronized charges?
For that matter, why are no explosions visible before the collapse? In a controlled demolition, the explosions are very obvious, simultaneous, and going off in a clear pattern, and it takes a second or so after the explosions before the building starts to move. The only thing visible close to that is air blowing out of the building after it's already started collapsing.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 10:26:38 AM
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Jheft, as much as I love you, I have to tell you you're wrong.
Back in 1964, when Johnson assasinated Kennedy (that's another conspiracy in itself), George Bush was eating in a McDonald's resturant. At this time they didn't have the dollar menu, it is believed that the dollar menu was invented by aliens, and Bush had talks with them to make things cheaper so Americans could become obese and sheep-like. This is where the term political sheep comes from.
Now that his son is in office, it is believed he has contacted the McDonald's Board of Directors, who happen to be the largest real estate company on Earth, and on their home planet, to get them to rig the building with invisible wire, and invisible explosions.
The McDonald BoD's fxcked up though, and let some of them go off after the building started falling. Obviously, the Government blamed it on air being pushed out the windows since the floor above collapsed, but there are many that know the truth, it was alien demolition.
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Alright, you got me. I am Steven Hawking, and bodybuilding is my new hobby. I am sick of physics. I wish I could train, and not just read about others training.
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ORIGINAL: twistedlink
In reality all of us here are playing out this scenario just different goals, we put our bodies through god awful time spent working out and eating to a near perfect point for years to MAYBE reach a goal.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 10:46:15 AM
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In the zeitgeist movie on the twin towers thing it did show a pillar of steel poking out with a diagonal cut and boiled steel around it, and then a documentary on demolitions (nothing to do with 9/11 just a discovery channel thing) and showed how they put the explosives diagonally.
But meh, i dont know what source it was from, and we all recently have seen the amazing abilities of an amatuer photoshopper so....
lol steel melts at 1500 yes, but it will become extremely weak at 1000
I mean come on, its like saying water boils at 100 degrees, therefore water at 0-99 is exactly the same and has the same properties until it reaches ABSOLUTELY 100
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 10:51:41 AM
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If you've ever seen a setup for a controlled demolition, you'll see that they gut whole floors to properly rig the structural elements. They also remove or pre-weaken many elements beforehand. Beyond that, where would you hide the thousands of feet of detonation cord required to set of the necessary synchronized charges?
For that matter, why are no explosions visible before the collapse? In a controlled demolition, the explosions are very obvious, simultaneous, and going off in a clear pattern, and it takes a second or so after the explosions before the building starts to move. The only thing visible close to that is air blowing out of the building after it's already started collapsing.
im not arguing your points im just saying there is even though very very slight that people could have placed explosives, it could have been done without people noticing, and you mentioned the use of det-cord, who's to say that was used? In the twin towers the main support beams were only in the center of the building had there been explosions near the center they might not be visible.
Remember i am not for either side here just pointing things out.
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RE: Loose change - 9/11 - 5/4/2008 11:06:50 AM
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Man, I read these posts, and after one I'm like "Oh shxt! What will happen now!?!?" Then Jheft comes and fxcking slays the post. It's badass.
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ORIGINAL: coldfire
Alright, you got me. I am Steven Hawking, and bodybuilding is my new hobby. I am sick of physics. I wish I could train, and not just read about others training.
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ORIGINAL: twistedlink
In reality all of us here are playing out this scenario just different goals, we put our bodies through god awful time spent working out and eating to a near perfect point for years to MAYBE reach a goal.
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