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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/13/2008 6:59:23 AM   
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5/12/08- week 4 monday

Cable One Arm Seated Row- 80Lbs - L=9/8  R=10/7 - I'm seen to not get any better here??



the one arm seated seems to isolate the back more than say... a 2 armed bent over bb row. 
this would be my reasoning for why you are not going up in weight on the isolated 1 armed cable rows.  i could be wrong, but it makes sense IMO.

when is does your 6 rep cycle start?  might be beneficial to swap out exercises and try some bent over rows, OR some t-bars, OR some pullups.
(i had to google "t-bars" b/c i didn't know what they were so if you have to do that.. just click on images)

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24 yrs old (The Fox is CUTTING!!!!) Current wt-198
December 2007 --- Starting weight: 181 lbs.
June 6th, 2008 weight : 206.0 lbs
32 in" waist ------- 6'1"
Current BF : 13% ---- 16.5 in'' bicep
300 lb. max bench (on June 4th, 2008)
225 lb. Barbell OH press 1 rep max (June 2008)
Deadlift max = 315 lbs (June, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 135 lbs. (June, 2008)
Max ATG Squat = 235 lbs. (June, 2008)

Supplements
BCAA's
Whey protein smoothie in the A.M. (peanut butter, milk, whey, oatmeal = yum)
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/13/2008 10:33:20 PM   
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I start monday with the lower reps.

Yea I see what you mean I liked the barbell and db rows alot too. Maybe when I did the cable seated rows I saw improvements was because I was just starting out I almost forgot about the whole beginner gains.

Using my common sense you think doing barbell rows is best kept to 5-6rep, and 10 rep weeks and have the db rows for 15rep weeks or just keep barbell rows altogether???

Hate to say it but the more I keep working out the more I see the best order of exercises was just what starting strength was based on...

squat,deadlifts,bench,oh press,bentover bb rows,pullups= just having these lifts 3 workout days for whatever rep range and your good.

I think I already have a clear idea on what to do for the next hst set and this time doing it good without any changes.

It's pretty much what you have now, now the only thing is one or two isolations and when I get closer to the next hst cycle i'll ask you what's best to put in.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/14/2008 5:24:34 AM   
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I start monday with the lower reps.

Yea I see what you mean I liked the barbell and db rows alot too. Maybe when I did the cable seated rows I saw improvements was because I was just starting out I almost forgot about the whole beginner gains.

Using my common sense you think doing barbell rows is best kept to 5-6rep, and 10 rep weeks and have the db rows for 15rep weeks or just keep barbell rows altogether???

Hate to say it but the more I keep working out the more I see the best order of exercises was just what starting strength was based on...

squat,deadlifts,bench,oh press,bentover bb rows,pullups= just having these lifts 3 workout days for whatever rep range and your good.

I think I already have a clear idea on what to do for the next hst set and this time doing it good without any changes.

It's pretty much what you have now, now the only thing is one or two isolations and when I get closer to the next hst cycle i'll ask you what's best to put in.


yea.. those exercises in bold are GREAT.  i try to do most of those in my routine.  i do add a few extras in there for isolations but not much.    anyways.. it's working well for me.

my first hst 6 week period was kind of a trial and error type just like you are experiencing right now.   no big deal.  you're still making progress, and  just seeing what works for you.  i'm sure your 2nd cycle will be even BETTER.  and if you do a 3rd...   watch out world! haha

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24 yrs old (The Fox is CUTTING!!!!) Current wt-198
December 2007 --- Starting weight: 181 lbs.
June 6th, 2008 weight : 206.0 lbs
32 in" waist ------- 6'1"
Current BF : 13% ---- 16.5 in'' bicep
300 lb. max bench (on June 4th, 2008)
225 lb. Barbell OH press 1 rep max (June 2008)
Deadlift max = 315 lbs (June, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 135 lbs. (June, 2008)
Max ATG Squat = 235 lbs. (June, 2008)

Supplements
BCAA's
Whey protein smoothie in the A.M. (peanut butter, milk, whey, oatmeal = yum)
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/14/2008 1:18:48 PM   
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5/14/08- week 4 wednesday

Deadlifts- 185Lbs - 10/10- Wow these felt great and still had energy to do more- last week felt beat with 160Lbs odd?
Flat Benchpress- 135Lbs - 10/10- I pulled through here and felt great and not really tired.
Lat Pulldown- 110Lbs - 10/10- Finally completed it...
Hanging Leg-Hip Raise- BW - 10/10- I tried to concentrate on holding it more here and then work up on weights.

I only had 5 hours of sleep the past 2 days and not much to eat and whey protein been finished and wnated to start barbell rows and just keep it like that. Felt worried on that and just did lat pulldowns. Deadlifts were great but the lack of sleep made me hurt later on the back like a stiff feeling so doing rows worried me.

So far I'm liking the leg-hip raise alot- definitely better than doing the regular leg raise. You really feel it in the abs unlike the leg raise where it feels more like an situp and works your hips more. Looked it up and it's a compound exercise where the regular leg raise is an isolation and abs aren't the target muscles.

Have you ever did what I'm saying... here's the link for the leg-hip raise- http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/RectusAbdominis/WtVerticalLegHipRaise.html

heres the link for the regular leg raise-
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/HipFlexors/WtVerticalLegRaise.html

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/16/2008 2:23:06 PM   
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5/16/08- week 4 friday

Squats- 165Lbs - 10/10- Took alot out of me but I still got room for doing 10reps
Flat Benchpress- 140Lbs - 10/8- Finally failed here and I'm suprised I hit this weight with 10reps cool!!!
Chinups- BW - 4/2/1-Decided to just do these and sadly lat pulldowns didnt help at all even made me worse than before
Standing OH Press- 70Lbs - 10/10- Wasn't really hard just was sored more on the right I don't know if that's normal
Vertical Leg-Hip Raise- BW - 10/9- Try to do it even harder than before and failed on the 9th rep.

Well I'm starting the 3x5 monday will be interesting to finally start hitting some weights and surpass the max i did before.

So far lat pulldowns really don't help in chinups much since I was able to do 8 reps on the first set before and that was after doing squat, deadlift, and oh press. I'm just going to stick with chinups for now and try to bring that up from embarassing to ok lol.

I'm almost forgot I weigh more than when I did 8 reps for chinups so I guess that factors in there lol!!!

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/19/2008 4:55:12 PM   
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5/19/08- week 5 monday

Squats- 185Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 145Lbs - 5/5/5
Chinups- BW - 4/3/2
Standing OH Press- 80Lbs - 5/5/5
Vertical Leg-Hip Raise- BW - 5/5/5

Started the 3x5 today and nothing really took much out of me but chinups can't do much at all, I'm little mad that I lost so much in this area.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/19/2008 8:01:10 PM   
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5/19/08- week 5 monday

Squats- 185Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 145Lbs - 5/5/5
Chinups- BW - 4/3/2
Standing OH Press- 80Lbs - 5/5/5
Vertical Leg-Hip Raise- BW - 5/5/5

Started the 3x5 today and nothing really took much out of me but chinups can't do much at all, I'm little mad that I lost so much in this area.


on the standing OH press.. is this with DB's?  and if so... is that 80 lbs total (40 lb db's for each hand?)

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24 yrs old (The Fox is CUTTING!!!!) Current wt-198
December 2007 --- Starting weight: 181 lbs.
June 6th, 2008 weight : 206.0 lbs
32 in" waist ------- 6'1"
Current BF : 13% ---- 16.5 in'' bicep
300 lb. max bench (on June 4th, 2008)
225 lb. Barbell OH press 1 rep max (June 2008)
Deadlift max = 315 lbs (June, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 135 lbs. (June, 2008)
Max ATG Squat = 235 lbs. (June, 2008)

Supplements
BCAA's
Whey protein smoothie in the A.M. (peanut butter, milk, whey, oatmeal = yum)
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/20/2008 12:06:39 AM   
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Oh no that's with a barbell... I started low since I didn't know how I would feel doing it on benchpress day but it was too light.

If I were to do it with a dumbbell I rather do arnold press with them standing then regular standing oh press with dumbbells. The highest I got with standing oh press with a barbell was 105Lbs for 5x5 and with dumbbells was 45Lbs each for 3x7.

Never tried it again since thats when I changed to do hst could of went higher if kept on going.

I like standing since it I feel it on my abs pretty good and it's fun lol. I'm still thinking of doing arnolds only wednesdays since stalling on oh press happens quick with 5 lb jumps. What you think???

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/20/2008 5:26:25 AM   
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Oh no that's with a barbell... I started low since I didn't know how I would feel doing it on benchpress day but it was too light.

If I were to do it with a dumbbell I rather do arnold press with them standing then regular standing oh press with dumbbells. The highest I got with standing oh press with a barbell was 105Lbs for 5x5 and with dumbbells was 45Lbs each for 3x7.

Never tried it again since thats when I changed to do hst could of went higher if kept on going.

I like standing since it I feel it on my abs pretty good and it's fun lol. I'm still thinking of doing arnolds only wednesdays since stalling on oh press happens quick with 5 lb jumps. What you think???


agree completely.  i found that i stalled pretty quickly on  OH press sitting with DB's.. so we'd switch over to arnolds, or bb OH press. 

i like BB oh sitting press the most i think.  i don't stall as quickly on this exercise

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24 yrs old (The Fox is CUTTING!!!!) Current wt-198
December 2007 --- Starting weight: 181 lbs.
June 6th, 2008 weight : 206.0 lbs
32 in" waist ------- 6'1"
Current BF : 13% ---- 16.5 in'' bicep
300 lb. max bench (on June 4th, 2008)
225 lb. Barbell OH press 1 rep max (June 2008)
Deadlift max = 315 lbs (June, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 135 lbs. (June, 2008)
Max ATG Squat = 235 lbs. (June, 2008)

Supplements
BCAA's
Whey protein smoothie in the A.M. (peanut butter, milk, whey, oatmeal = yum)
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin

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ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331
eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a queen, and dinner like a peasant.

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gloves are for garedening..dont use them, theres no point.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/20/2008 11:37:58 AM   
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Thanks I think i'll just do arnolds on wednesdays just so I avoid stalling on bb oh press. I almost forgot about the routine smoudzou gave out in the 3 day thread he made. Besides the hang & clean press on friday it seems to be a good idea since wednesday he puts something like only arnolds and cable seated rows and then mon, fri have bb oh press and bb rows.

Seems to be easier to increase those twice a week and something like arnolds and cable seated rows more suited to once a week increase. Since you told me about cable seated rows tends to be harder to increase every workout it might be something i'll go back to.

This is what he put up-  mon- squat,incline bench,oh press,bb rows,pullups
                                wed-deadlift,flat bench or dips,arnolds,cable seated row,pullups
                                fri-squat,incline bench,hang & clean press,bb rows,pullups

change up the hang&clean press with bb oh press and probably switch around shoulder work with row work and all will be good. Got to give it some thought...

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/21/2008 5:12:54 PM   
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5/21/08- week 5 wednesday

Deadlifts- 225Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 150Lbs - 5/5/5
Cable Seated Twisting One Arm Row- 90Lbs - L=5/5   R=5/5
Standing Arnold Press- 20Lbsx2 - 5/5/5
Chinups- BW - 4/2/1
Vertical Leg-Hip Raise- BW - 5/5/5

Deadlifts was not that bad so I got lots of room here. I'm about to reach where I couldn't pass up last time in benchpress and I think I can do it.

I try to see if the cable rows doing it only once would be good but I think I'm better of doing Dumbbell bent over rows on this day and have barbell rows the other 2 days.

Arnold press was easy got to increase it more but I missed this exercise always liked it. Chinups was less than before but I blame it on doing it last and the cable rows probably took my strength who knows.

Got to decide if doing chinups before rows is a good idea or not. So far I should be done with messing around with the exercises.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/24/2008 12:41:04 PM   
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5/24/08- week 5 saturday (sun-mon closed holiday so I rather keep the rest days to a minimum by doing today and      
                                    tuesday instead of friday and then waiting till tuesday which is 3 days a part)

Squats- 200Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 155Lbs - 5/5/5
Barbell Rows- 125Lbs - 5/5/5
Standing BB OH Press- 85Lbs - 5/5/5
Pullups- BW - 4/2/2

Squats is getting hard as ****... I'm in trouble with benchpress I barely did 3x5 I hope I can keep it going for 1 more week... Barbell Rows was not much but it's more about form which most of the time I got it... OH press still too easy...

I switched to pullups instead of chinups and I still did about the same considering that pullups is harder I say that's weird but I don't know how I'm going to increase this at all???

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/25/2008 7:51:14 AM   
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lookin' good mane.  especially on squats and deads.  would love to see your bench/OH press numbers get up there.. but they will in time, just keep workin' at it.

i'm kinda the reversed of you.  my chest and shoulders are way up there, and my legs are lacking somewhat.  my deadlift is shooting up there.  i think that on my max day at the end, i'll try to get 315 on deads and 315 on benchSmile  that would effing sweet.  and it's totally possible too

oh yea.. if you're having trouble, or worried about energy. try some pre-workout stuff to give you a lil bit of energy.  v-b12.  caffeine.. anything really. there's a ton of it out there.

one of my favorites is this stuff called "redline".   holy cow... that stuff was just amazing.

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24 yrs old (The Fox is CUTTING!!!!) Current wt-198
December 2007 --- Starting weight: 181 lbs.
June 6th, 2008 weight : 206.0 lbs
32 in" waist ------- 6'1"
Current BF : 13% ---- 16.5 in'' bicep
300 lb. max bench (on June 4th, 2008)
225 lb. Barbell OH press 1 rep max (June 2008)
Deadlift max = 315 lbs (June, 2008)
Curved barbell Curl max = 135 lbs. (June, 2008)
Max ATG Squat = 235 lbs. (June, 2008)

Supplements
BCAA's
Whey protein smoothie in the A.M. (peanut butter, milk, whey, oatmeal = yum)
Fish oil, vit. c, multivitamin

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ORIGINAL: boomersooner1331
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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 5/27/2008 5:40:33 PM   
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5/27/08- week 6 Tuesday

Squats- 210Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 160Lbs - 5/5/5
Chinups- BW - 4/3/1
Standing OH Press- 90Lbs - 5/5/5
Barbell Rows- 135Lbs - 5/5/5

Squats is getting hard but after 1st set I kinda of woked up and wasn't so bad. I finally went above 155Lbs on the benchpress yes didn't think I could of done it though. Been doing pullups at home every time I could but I still only hit 4 reps but I could of done 5 reps just gave out though.

Been doing the negatives at home but I tried to do it here but I just fell out got to work on it. OH press was easy amd BB rows was not that hard but finally feel something in my biceps lol...

I want to start doing some running but got to see how that is going to work since running is boring probably do bike riding instead just got think if HIIT style or just good ol fashion aerobic style.

Yea I'm kinda of nervous trying those stuff since people feel weird taking those and I don't want to be feeling like throwing up before I even start to squat or deadlift!!! I just started to sip a bit of whey protein with some juice for the carbs right before working out and does help me out somewhat.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 6/3/2008 5:09:21 PM   
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6/3/08- 3x5 tuesday

Squats- 200Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat BB Benchpress- 175Lbs - 3  - 155lbs - 5/5
Barbell Rows- 135Lbs - 5/5/5
Standing BB OH Press- 85Lbs - 5  - 90Lbs - 5/5
Chinups- BW - 5/3/2

Wasn't able to do the last 2 workouts because of some serious complications. Feeling like crap I was afraid of squatting today since it's been a week. I just drop it 10Lbs but after the 2nd set I felt alive got me out of the crappy feeling.

I by mistake added 20Lbs more on the benchpress and when I did 3 reps I was like this too heavy to do the 3 sets. I was about to get mad that I gotten this weak so quick on the bench but just realized what was the weight OOps lol. Did 155Lbs for the other 2 sets but man it's funny how I was still pushing through haha.

Rows did the same weight as last time and oh press forgot to put the other 5Lbs so I put it in for the other 2 sets. Chinups surprised that it didn't suffer I actually increase it a bit???

My mind was still out of it but regardless of the complications I'm starting to realize what reps work best for my body and that's lower reps/heavy weights. I increase my weight easily when dealing with low reps/heavy weight.

I'm thinking of lasting a couple of weeks with this 3x5 set or basically 4 weeks since HST says the last 2 weeks you can repeat 5 reps instead of negatives. So far 5-10 reps is my "reps."

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 6/4/2008 12:54:31 PM   
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are you still on your 1st cycle of HST?  One thing i noticed throughout your routine is you would do like a 15/10 or a 10/8, and i think smound has mentioned that you should finish all the reps even if it takes you more sets.

Also, on your pullups I started my partner on a rep number and have him reach that number no matter how many sets it takes him.  So he has to get 8 reps even if it were to take him 8 sets which it doesnt but still.  He went from doing 3 crappy pullups to doing 3 good pullups to now he can almost get 5 straight.  We are also going to try and add 2 1/2 pounds every pullup day and keep reps same.  So we'll see how that goes.

When you start #2, I would diffenitly consider the SF approach.  I know mine is modified a bit from his but i still squat, bench and deadlift every lift day.  I also modified by only doing 1 set of deads though.  I also do about 10-15 pounds more since i only do 1 set and it feels more than enough work.

I shall be doing pretty much rippetoes workout after this round of HST.  I need to build my strength up!  My bench is weak too.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 6/8/2008 5:51:01 PM   
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Since im going to be doing cardio every off day i'm going to be following my 3x5 routine i did for hst for a lil while longer to build alot more strength plus i noticed i grow more i just lift heavy with low reps. Kinda of like ripptoe's but im adding some type of oh press every workout not sure yet if i want to keep deadlifts on 1 day and squats 2 days i did like how my legs grew massive when doing squats every workout with deadlifts every other workout with only 1 heavy set of 5 reps after 5x5 squats.

6/6/08- 3x5 Friday For some retarded reason school gym is closed saturday so keeping rest days to a minimum i did friday workout instead of thursday and resume monday so rest day is to a minimum.

deadlift- 205Lbs- 5/5/5
benchpress- 160lbs- 5/5/3
barbell rows- 140lbs - 5/5/4
oh press- 95lbs- 5/4/4
chinups- bw - 5/3/2

I lost alot of strength because of lack of sleep the past days and diet was lousy this week got to stock up on foods!!!
Started small on cardio to get used to it. Still doing chinups everyday in my house, it's different and harder in my house of ceiling edge is hard to grab but it's better than nothing.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 6/9/2008 8:04:37 PM   
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6/9/08- monday *EDIT* Messed up the date

Bodyweight= 210Lbs (first thing in the morning)

Squat- 195Lbs- 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 155Lbs - 5/5/5
Barbell Rows- 135Lbs - 5/5/5
Standing OH Press- 90Lbs - 5/5/5
Chinups- BW - 4/3/2

Went swimming since it's crazy hot but haven't done it in a while and I was beat especially my legs. Went to warm-up but it would be best to lower it a bit. Since the other lifts i wasn't able to complete it and I was beat I lowered it 5Lbs that's it but I probably shouldn't since it was just my legs that were beat so no biggie.

Chinups is always good one day and bad the next probably limit the negatives on workout days only.

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RE: Felonyr301's Training Log - 6/11/2008 2:40:47 PM   
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6/11/08- wednesday - The pain I had is starting to wear off from last week and it's not getting in the way of lifting.

Deadlifts- 225Lbs - 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 160Lbs - 5/5/6
Barbell Rows- 140Lbs - 5/5/5
Standing OH Press- 95Lbs - 5/5/5     *Power clean it to starting position*
Chinups- BW - 5/3

The benchpress felt pretty ok finally starting to move up on it doing some pushups is helping me out. My arms were tight as hell probably because of the deadlifts contributing to it alot so I decided to keep it 2 sets to failure for the chinups here might just do it like this on deadlift days. Could of barely gripped the bar on the 2nd set love those deadlifts haha.

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Squat- 200Lbs- 5/5/5
Flat Benchpress- 165Lbs- 5/5/4           *Had the last rep in my hand but I slipped up a bit messed me up*
Barbell Rows- 145Lbs- 5/5/5
Standing OH Press- 100Lbs- 5/5/5          *Power clean it to starting position*
Chinups- BW- 5/3/2

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