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RE: pro hormones - 2/21/2008 3:01:23 PM
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dapunisher
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Because they help you go past your natural limit and the government doesn't like that...
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Why are these products legal to purchase if they're basically steroids?
why are steroids illegal(serious)?
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 9:26:55 AM
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Pro hormones are more of a natural testerone booster being that it has to be changed to work. Steriods are pure testerone being injected into your blood.
Misinformation like this can get someone hurt... please be more specific when you say things like this. PH's are NOT anywhere near a natural test booster. Like ODW stated, over 90% of the "PH" products on the market today are actually steroids.
An example of this would be Superdrol aka: MDROL, SDROL, Methabol,masterdrol etc. Superdrol enters the body as 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol and is transported into the blood via enzymes in the liver as 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol , meaning it does not convert to anything in the body, this means it is a STEROID. No doubt about it. As a matter of fact it is a methylated oral version of the injectable steroid drostanalone (masteron) .
Pheraplex is another example of an oral steroid, not a prohormone. Pheraplex enters the body as 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol, which is the oral steroid know as DMT or desoxymethyltestosterone, it goes through the same process in the liver as superdrol does, and is transported around the body as DMT, the same stuff thats in the capsule.... which would make this a steroid aswell.
A prohormone is just that. Break down the word "Pro hormone" or for a specific hormone. An example of that would be halodrol 50 clones. 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol enters your body and is broken down in the liver and CONVERTED by the enzymes into Turinabol(anabolic androgenic steroid) and then transported about the body.
Another prohormone would be M1,4ADD. Enters the body as 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol and is converted in the liver at a very low rate (15% or so) Dianabol(methandrostenelone, methandiene).
Steroids are not pure testosterone injected into your body, if that was true, what is a nadrolone then? Its not a testosterone derivative or testosterone itself for that matter, yet it is still an anabolic steroid. Steroids come orally, sublingually(under the tongue), in patch form, and as we all know, injectable.
Taking a PH is not going to naturally boost your testosterone either, that is the real problem here. Natural test boosters are things like nettle root, tribulus testris, and horny goat weed. They will only boost your testosterone if your body needs it. When you take PH's and Designer Steroids, you force your body to produce more testosterone, which inturn will shut down or hinder your bodies natural production, therefore, when you come off of that substance your natural test. production will be very low, and that can cause some very unwanted side effects.
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 9:39:31 AM
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The only thing is I take horny goat weed and its listed as a prohormone so in that case there is 2types of prohormones herbal/methyl. Horny goat weed works well I must say on side note lol
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 10:17:13 AM
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I believe you on the fact that it works, however, it is not a prohormone, the company that you buy it from probably listed it in the wrong category.
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 10:33:03 AM
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Pro hormones are more of a natural testerone booster being that it has to be changed to work. Steriods are pure testerone being injected into your blood.
Misinformation like this can get someone hurt... please be more specific when you say things like this. PH's are NOT anywhere near a natural test booster. Like ODW stated, over 90% of the "PH" products on the market today are actually steroids.
An example of this would be Superdrol aka: MDROL, SDROL, Methabol,masterdrol etc. Superdrol enters the body as 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol and is transported into the blood via enzymes in the liver as 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol , meaning it does not convert to anything in the body, this means it is a STEROID. No doubt about it. As a matter of fact it is a methylated oral version of the injectable steroid drostanalone (masteron) .
Pheraplex is another example of an oral steroid, not a prohormone. Pheraplex enters the body as 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol, which is the oral steroid know as DMT or desoxymethyltestosterone, it goes through the same process in the liver as superdrol does, and is transported around the body as DMT, the same stuff thats in the capsule.... which would make this a steroid aswell.
A prohormone is just that. Break down the word "Pro hormone" or for a specific hormone. An example of that would be halodrol 50 clones. 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol enters your body and is broken down in the liver and CONVERTED by the enzymes into Turinabol(anabolic androgenic steroid) and then transported about the body.
Another prohormone would be M1,4ADD. Enters the body as 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol and is converted in the liver at a very low rate (15% or so) Dianabol(methandrostenelone, methandiene).
Steroids are not pure testosterone injected into your body, if that was true, what is a nadrolone then? Its not a testosterone derivative or testosterone itself for that matter, yet it is still an anabolic steroid. Steroids come orally, sublingually(under the tongue), in patch form, and as we all know, injectable.
Taking a PH is not going to naturally boost your testosterone either, that is the real problem here. Natural test boosters are things like nettle root, tribulus testris, and horny goat weed. They will only boost your testosterone if your body needs it. When you take PH's and Designer Steroids, you force your body to produce more testosterone, which inturn will shut down or hinder your bodies natural production, therefore, when you come off of that substance your natural test. production will be very low, and that can cause some very unwanted side effects.
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Everything he said 
I always just looked at it as basically your body recognizes and uses the compounds as hormones them self as a result they actually shut down your own bodies process of testosterone. If your body isn't using test of it's own then why should it have a reason to keep producing.
That's just how I have always looked at it.. Pro hormones and anabolics alike.
Hehehe like he said there are anabolic steroids out there that you take orally such as; winstrol, dianabol, anadrol, andriols etc.. the list goes on and on.
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 10:40:16 AM
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Winstrol comes as pill also?
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 10:57:21 AM
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Winstrol comes as pill also?
Yes.
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 11:00:13 AM
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andy
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Is it as potent as the injection?
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RE: pro hormones - 2/22/2008 11:34:53 AM
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Is it as potent as the injection?
Good question, probably not since it has to go through your liver first.
Winstrol is not a very potent AAS though anyways.. You have to take it everyday which is a pain if your injecting since you have to inject at least 50mg per day. There are far better pro hormones out there that are way more affective then winstrol. Many body builders will use winstrol as a bridge for another cycle. They get off one bulking cycle into a winstrol cycle and do a cut, the winstrol helps them maintain muscle while they cut the fat. Say an average ratio of muscle loss with fat loss is 1lb of muscle per every 3 lbs of fat.. Well take winstrol and you may lose 1lb of muscle per every 5 - 6 lbs of fat. Many people think that winstrol will cut the fat off you because they see cutting steroids.. When in fact body builders use winstrol "while cutting" To maintain more muscle.
I learned that from some credible body builders.
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With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
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RE: pro hormones - 2/24/2008 11:33:17 PM
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if you are seriously considering taking steroids. stop do some reasearch on the effects. National Geographic just did an hour long special on steroids and the negative effects. i have never used steroids nor will i ever use them. but i know people who do. i would look into dianabol, it is usually in pill form and is very popular because it has very little side affects. for a cutting steroid there is masteron. if i were you i would just go to gnc get on a good stack and on a good diet. just do some reasearch and rethink what you are about to do.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO
anabolic steroids are just basic forms of testosterone. you could work out for 50 years and still not get the results you do with anabolic steroids. the normal output for a healthy male is 50-75 mg of testosterone. when you work out you muscle fibers tear which is natural. then testosterone helps repair the tears making the muscle enlarge. with the more testosterone you get the bigger the repairs are going to be. certain bodybuilders have been found taking up to 1000 times as much as the normal output of testosterone. with all of this testosterone in your body your brain can sense it and it tells your testicles to stop produceing testosterone. this causes them to shrink to less then half their normal size. once you get on anabolic steroids it is hard to get off. you will not want to. once you stop your body will have zero testosterone in it because your testicles have shutdown. it can take up to a week for them to completely start again. during this period of no testosterone your body goes into a deep depression. suicide is very common. the normal side affects for men are as follow: male pattern baldness, enlarged or swolen brest, and shrinkage of the testicles. for women the affects are as follow: male pattern baldness, facial hair, shrinkage of the breast, and enlarged clitoris
all in all i think its a bad idea. but it is your life and you can do with what you want. just be aware that you will feel the affects of steroids, maybe not immediataly but later in life. you only get one life dont **** it up.
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RE: pro hormones - 2/26/2008 9:45:34 AM
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johnnyb1635
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Hate to tell you this bro, but dbol is one of the harshest compounds only behind abombs......
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RE: pro hormones - 2/26/2008 7:37:43 PM
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o **** really? ive heard so much that dianabol isnt harsh. but thx for tellin me
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RE: pro hormones - 2/26/2008 7:53:33 PM
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I was in Vitamin Shoppe today and I almost bought Masterdrol. I was soooo tempted but what stopped me is that Im gonna need a PCT and well, I didnt have enough cash on me. goddamn PCT's. BTW, where can one get a SERM without a prescription or illegally?
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