BSN false claims

just want to know about the claims about the bsn range being lies n all that, i  just bout about £500 12 week cycle of bsn stuff, and want to know if its all crap lies in there products or are worth the money ? write back to this please

anybody know how the news is about bsns products possibly full of filler? .. i hope they are not false although i still seemto get results , buts its scary who knows what they could put in there products suchas NO , nitrix ect could just be tons of caffeine n funny chemicals which could mess up your insides , lol i really dont know who to trust if bsn are false.. dammmmm

iv been takin bsn products for a while and i get great results from them. their nitrix and cell mass works well, their new atro-phex is awesome and the syntha 6 is delicious. they say its just regular creatine monohydrate, but even so the products work. so its not like "dud" products ro anything. but prolly over priced for what they are selling...im tryin to say u could prolly find products just as good, if not better for a less amount.

Determination...nuff said.

i heard there is NOTHING in the cellmass

BALLIN'

get JACKED!

Don't jump on the bsn hate bandwagon so quickly. If cellmass had nothing then people wouldn't like it so much.
 
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6081291&highlight=bsn+lawsuit

but of course an admin on bb.com would support them... BSN is a huge part of their income I'd say...

I do understand waiting on the outcome to hate them, but it's prolly a good idea to not purchase their products for a while...

ORIGINAL: toolman4052

I do understand waiting on the outcome to hate them, but it's prolly a good idea to not purchase their products for a while...

 
I can almost guarantee you that this whole thing is a result of a rival company trying to decrease bsn sales and boost their own. That's how the supplement industry works.
 
I haven't seen any conclusive lab results showing there's no cem in cellmass. What are the testing standards?
 
Bsn is saying that they do have a patent on cem.
 
I'm just saying let's not believe everything right away. This wouldn't stop me from buying syntha-6, but then agains it's the only bsn supplement I use.

ORIGINAL: odw777

ORIGINAL: toolman4052

I do understand waiting on the outcome to hate them, but it's prolly a good idea to not purchase their products for a while...

I can almost guarantee you that this whole thing is a result of a rival company trying to decrease bsn sales and boost their own. That's how the supplement industry works.

I haven't seen any conclusive lab results showing there's no cem in cellmass. What are the testing standards?

Bsn is saying that they do have a patent on cem.

I'm just saying let's not believe everything right away. This wouldn't stop me from buying syntha-6, but then agains it's the only bsn supplement I use.

That would make a lot of sense... if it is a result of that, hopefully they track the rumor back to the source...

I just got a whole new tub of Cellmass about a week ago...pretty bummed if its not doing anything for me...

ORIGINAL: odw777

ORIGINAL: toolman4052

I do understand waiting on the outcome to hate them, but it's prolly a good idea to not purchase their products for a while...

I can almost guarantee you that this whole thing is a result of a rival company trying to decrease bsn sales and boost their own. That's how the supplement industry works.

I haven't seen any conclusive lab results showing there's no cem in cellmass. What are the testing standards?

Bsn is saying that they do have a patent on cem.

I'm just saying let's not believe everything right away. This wouldn't stop me from buying syntha-6, but then agains it's the only bsn supplement I use.

I agree its a good idea to wait for a verdict before judging,but also as toolman said im not buying anymore myself until theres some answers.Its not like they have the only product out there.Heres a what if.I can't help but wonder if someone is doing this to try and bring out in the open the secret of Cem3 before it can be patented (I was under the impression it was patent pending).But then again we are just talking about a simple supplement.

Uh huh. If people use it, it must work. Just like astrology, homeopathy, casting bones, palm reading, rain dancing and sacrificing goats.

Their allegedly "patented" super-important ingredient, "creatine ethyl ester malate" apparently doesn't even have a patent filed! Patents are 100% public information. That's how patents work - you reveal how something is made in a public filing, and in exchange, you get a temporary monopoly on making/licensing it. If they had a patent, they could give you a patent number, and you could look it up. They can't give you a patent number because they don't have a patent. It's a completely fictional substance! You don't even need lab results to know they're full of ****.

Now, apparently the lab results do show that it contains some creatine monohydrate, so it probably has some effect (inasmuch as regular creatine monohydrate does).

The burden of proof is entirely upon BSN to show that:
1) Creatine ethyl ester malate is a real substance
2) Their product contains CEM
3) They have a patent on CEM
4) CEM, in double-blind, clinical tests, has a positive effect
5) In double-blind trials, CEM outperforms other forms of creatine

I am constantly horrified at how people will blindly trust the word of marketing people. They're paid to lie to you. THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR MONEY! Please err on the side of calling bull****.

ORIGINAL: jheft

Uh huh. If people use it, it must work. Just like astrology, homeopathy, casting bones, palm reading, rain dancing and sacrificing goats.

Their allegedly "patented" super-important ingredient, "creatine ethyl ester malate" apparently doesn't even have a patent filed! Patents are 100% public information. That's how patents work - you reveal how something is made in a public filing, and in exchange, you get a temporary monopoly on making/licensing it. If they had a patent, they could give you a patent number, and you could look it up. They can't give you a patent number because they don't have a patent. It's a completely fictional substance! You don't even need lab results to know they're full of ****.

Now, apparently the lab results do show that it contains some creatine monohydrate, so it probably has some effect (inasmuch as regular creatine monohydrate does).

The burden of proof is entirely upon BSN to show that:
1) Creatine ethyl ester malate is a real substance
2) Their product contains CEM
3) They have a patent on CEM
4) CEM, in double-blind, clinical tests, has a positive effect
5) In double-blind trials, CEM outperforms other forms of creatine

I am constantly horrified at how people will blindly trust the word of marketing people. They're paid to lie to you. THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR MONEY! Please err on the side of calling bull****.

 
Did you even read the bsn press release in response to the lawsuit? They're saying they do have a patent pending and provided the identification number.
 
You do realize dymatize xpand has creatine ethyl ester malate in it as well? But I don't see anyone on their case. I mean after all cem doesn't exist, but here's another company using it as well.
 
I'm constantly horrified how easilly people can jump on the bandwagon. I'm not trying to defend bsn or anything. I'm just aware of the bs other supplement companies pull, like paying people to post negative reviews of a product, and bsn happens to have no online reps so they're a perfect target. This all seems very fishy to me.

Have you ever tried their product jheft? Im just curious no "smartmouth" intended.

I did read a press release, but I didn't see a patent number in it anywhere. There may have been more than one release. If they really do have a patent, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about that much at least. But if it's patented, and Dymatize Xpand (or any other product) has CEM also, wouldn't they have to be licensing it ($$$) from BSN anyway?

I instinctively distrust all supplement companies - they all produce materials marketing their products that are transparently bull****. So, you could say that I've always been on that bandwagon. I'm a BFF of that bandwagon's mechanic, and I take time out of my daily schedule to top off the air in its tires.

It's a rare thing indeed to see these supplement companies produce clinical research that demonstrate their products' claims. The thread linked above does provide a plausible scenario for why the lab results failed to find any CEM (and found monohydrate instead). But even if we assume those lab results are bogus, I still haven't seen any research backing up the claimed efficacy of CEM (or even creatine ethyl ester).

ORIGINAL: jheft

I did read a press release, but I didn't see a patent number in it anywhere. There may have been more than one release. If they really do have a patent, I'm completely willing to admit I'm wrong about that much at least. But if it's patented, and Dymatize Xpand (or any other product) has CEM also, wouldn't they have to be licensing it ($$$) from BSN anyway?

I instinctively distrust all supplement companies - they all produce materials marketing their products that are transparently bull****. So, you could say that I've always been on that bandwagon. I'm a BFF of that bandwagon's mechanic, and I take time out of my daily schedule to top off the air in its tires.

 
I have tried cellmass in the past(as well as no-explode) and I quit using it because it simply didn't do anything! I was on cell-tech before trying cellmass,and went to sizeon after that. Both of those products gave me tangible results! cellmass was a giant waste of my time.
I , personally,was not in the least bit surprised to find that BSN had been misleading their customers.Like you said jheft all supplement companies blur the truth for the sake of marketing!
I know this for a fact,as I am a copywriter who has worked in the supplement industry.I've had to research harder than others to find studies that will allow me to mislead the public about the usefulness of certain supplements. It happens everyday.
 
If you use marketing releases to get your supplement info...you're simply spinning your wheels. Hey,you might get lucky...but instead of buying supplements without properly researching them....Buy a lotto ticket...HaHaHa!
 
Theres no doubt in my mind that BSN lied about the amount of creatine in this product.I'm just surprised they got caught!

Current supps: Cell Tech,Superpump 250,Animal pak,ON 100% whey