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RE: Getting lean - 12/1/2007 9:19:35 AM   
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isnt the best way to reduce bodyfat without losing muscle mass, long low intensity (aka able to have a conversation during) cardio such as walking on a considerable incline?

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RE: Getting lean - 12/1/2007 9:29:10 AM   
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isnt the best way to reduce bodyfat without losing muscle mass, long low intensity (aka able to have a conversation during) cardio such as walking on a considerable incline?


no. like i said the best way to preserve muscle would probablly be HIIT but if ur looking for the best combo of conserving muscle and losing alot of fat have a protein shake (just protein) before ur run and do steady state cardio for 30-60min. (continually progressing with length, frequency, and intensity as needed)

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RE: Getting lean - 12/1/2007 9:34:29 AM   
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i thought carbs/protien were used for short bursts of energy while fat stores are used for long endurance type movements ect.  ohh well it doesnt directly affect me i guess.  Smile

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RE: Getting lean - 12/1/2007 9:37:21 AM   
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i thought carbs/protien were used for short bursts of energy while fat stores are used for long endurance type movements ect.  ohh well it doesnt directly affect me i guess.  Smile


exactly, HIIT would be short bursts so its good for overall calories and an "afterburn" effect however going 30-60 min. of steady state cardio will result in more overall calories burnt and more fat used

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RE: Getting lean - 12/26/2007 10:37:38 PM   
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I'm sure HIIT works well but I think it's popularity probably has something to do with not spending hours upon hours on a treadmill ;)

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RE: Getting lean - 12/26/2007 10:53:47 PM   
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isnt the best way to reduce bodyfat without losing muscle mass, long low intensity (aka able to have a conversation during) cardio such as walking on a considerable incline?



Cardio doesn't burn fat.  Cardio's pupose is written in it's name, just to exercise the heart for the purpose of the heart, lungs, and circulation.

The best way to reduce bodyfat or cut is done completly in the kitchen.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 5:27:58 AM   
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isnt the best way to reduce bodyfat without losing muscle mass, long low intensity (aka able to have a conversation during) cardio such as walking on a considerable incline?



Cardio doesn't burn fat.  Cardio's pupose is written in it's name, just to exercise the heart for the purpose of the heart, lungs, and circulation.

The best way to reduce bodyfat or cut is done completly in the kitchen.


Umm, many good points and it should be thought of more to exercise the heart than a fat burning tool but the bold/underlined/oversized part is WRONG on many levels.
Progressive cardio is the biggest help in burning bodyfat especially for endomorphs, alongside good eating habits of course.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 6:07:21 AM   
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Jheft, honestly I think you need a lot more muscle mass before you should worry about cutting.  You will look much more lean at 10% bodyfat (even at 13%) with a lot more muscle.  You said that you want to bulk up to 200 then cut back down to 180 - 185 right?  I'd suggest that you bulk up to about 220 at least then worry about cutting. 

Too much fat is definately not the problem though IMHO.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 6:25:23 AM   
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This thread is old. I will be doing a long-term bulk as soon as I get back from vacation.

@Rex 22: There is a virulent strain of ignorance running through every single one of your posts, without exception. I'm blocking you to minimize the risk of transmission.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 6:39:32 AM   
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I didn't realize that this thread was over a month old.  I still agree with myself though, lol.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 10:49:50 AM   
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Cardio doesn't burn fat.  Cardio's pupose is written in it's name, just to exercise the heart for the purpose of the heart, lungs, and circulation.



WHAT!?! did u seriously just say that? how can u say cardio doesn't burn fat? do u think bodybuilders do tons of it while getting ready for a show just for fun?

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 9:19:09 PM   
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 Cardiovascular exercise only increases the heartrate to produce energy. If you put more energy into your body than you consume, cardio i.e. swimming, running, jogging, walking etc. isn't really going to make a big difference. Your body will begin to store the energy in the form of fat. It's the bodys reserved energy. What energy isn't used it stored inside the body. Cardio doesnt make you lose or burn fat. It's how much you make your body work to make further energy. The harder the heart beats the more energy you expend.
That's all I'm trying to say, I hope you get my point.

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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 11:35:33 PM   
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RE: Getting lean - 12/27/2007 11:51:46 PM   
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isnt the best way to reduce bodyfat without losing muscle mass, long low intensity (aka able to have a conversation during) cardio such as walking on a considerable incline?

I think the question is 'why would YOU need to reduced body fat................8 pack?????  And I bet you stay lean through soccer.............hmmm, cardio.
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RE: Getting lean - 12/31/2007 9:26:10 AM   
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Let me stress my point.  That did come out wrong, cardio can burn fat.  But...

A calorie is defined a unit of heat and when burned (through cardio) the unit of heat is turned into energy.  So technically I was reffering to a calorie not not burning fat, but rather turning a calories / fat into energy.

Sounds a little better.

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