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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/12/2007 4:14:59 PM
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IBendBarbells
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finally a chest day
Flat Bench:
135 x 20
205 x 10
255 x 6
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/14/2007 1:54:30 AM
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damnit man... I checked my weight I am 201lbs... So I actually went down in weight but I am stronger and my chest deltoids and back are way larger.. My waist line is smaller 31inches.. But man... It's wierd because people say I am bigger... I guess the scale truly is nothing but a number. I have been doing alot of cardio though.. If I could get my waist down to 29 inches and be around 220lbs I would be very very happy.. Thats a future goal that I want to accomplish fairly soon...
I am going through a tad bit of a depression right now with a struggle to make some more doe.. also my company in going down I see more lay offs coming and I think ill be one to be let go.. I made alot of mistakes during the change over at work after lay offs... It's a hard time in my life right now.. I sent out a resume to some jobs I qualify for to make 10k more per year.. that would be nice.. I have to cross my fingers and hope I get an interview.. I am very stressed at work now.
Man... Stuck at 200lbs and struggling to hold my job.. Thank god I am still only 23 years old.. Sometimes I feel like I am never going to be good enough, it's pretty much what keeps me going. One thing I can say is I have totally changed from living in the ghetto doing drugs pulling guns on people and struggling to survive on my own <-- I almost forgot about all of this.. Sometimes it's easy to forget our past.. Pretty much everyone told me I would never amount to anything.. I really have to do more though.
I would say the only thing I have to really worry about right now is not this job thing but if there is a god would he forgive me for all the bad things I have done when I was younger.
Okay I am done rambling now, Time to go to bed.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/14/2007 7:43:28 AM
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weight is just a number, youve been doing awesome...i dont know what else a 143 lber can tell you about weight haha, but itll come...im getting frustrated with my weight, since upping calories and carbs ive gained like a lb in a few weeks but like you said, look like im bigger than before, so weight is definitely odd.
the job thing is rough...but damn, youre right that youve come a long way with everything. it sounds like youve totally turned your life around, great job. as easy as it is to forget how far youve come, its equally as easy for me to take for granted that i didnt have to grow up in an environment where i had to do stuff like that to get by.
im only 20 and a sophomore in college, so im still foreign to the full time job for a living, but i know when i get out of college with a degree in psychology and philosophy that ill probably be in an equally as stressful situation, since what im majoring in isnt very applicablt without more schooling...maybe i am naive, but things seem to work out. i mean, maybe you wont get rich, but youll find a reliable job. if i was in ur situation i would be stressed like hell too, but life goes on. whatever youve done in the past is history, what u r doing in the present is what really matters, and youve changed everything for the better, youve been very helpful on here, good job again. stick with it and itll work out.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/14/2007 11:27:07 AM
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damnit man... I checked my weight I am 201lbs... So I actually went down in weight but I am stronger and my chest deltoids and back are way larger.. My waist line is smaller 31inches.. But man... It's wierd because people say I am bigger... I guess the scale truly is nothing but a number. I have been doing alot of cardio though.. If I could get my waist down to 29 inches and be around 220lbs I would be very very happy.. Thats a future goal that I want to accomplish fairly soon...
I am going through a tad bit of a depression right now with a struggle to make some more doe.. also my company in going down I see more lay offs coming and I think ill be one to be let go.. I made alot of mistakes during the change over at work after lay offs... It's a hard time in my life right now.. I sent out a resume to some jobs I qualify for to make 10k more per year.. that would be nice.. I have to cross my fingers and hope I get an interview.. I am very stressed at work now.
Man... Stuck at 200lbs and struggling to hold my job.. Thank god I am still only 23 years old.. Sometimes I feel like I am never going to be good enough, it's pretty much what keeps me going. One thing I can say is I have totally changed from living in the ghetto doing drugs pulling guns on people and struggling to survive on my own <-- I almost forgot about all of this.. Sometimes it's easy to forget our past.. Pretty much everyone told me I would never amount to anything.. I really have to do more though.
I would say the only thing I have to really worry about right now is not this job thing but if there is a god would he forgive me for all the bad things I have done when I was younger.
Okay I am done rambling now, Time to go to bed.
i wouldnt worry as long as your getting stronger.. just remember 9/10 people would kill to be in the shape your in now... compared to the average joes i no,,, your a ****in beast.. 29 inche waist that would be unreal.
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height 5'9 weight 205 lbs b.f 17
bench press july 08: 255 *9
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZ-F7r2SNs
old bench video 245 * 10
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3633862719544729670
BENCH PRESS NEW EST MAX 330 LBS
deadlift : 485lbs
yates rows : 265 * 9
close grip bench press : 255 * 5
squat : 365 ! :@
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/14/2007 12:16:55 PM
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weight is just a number, youve been doing awesome...i dont know what else a 143 lber can tell you about weight haha, but itll come...im getting frustrated with my weight, since upping calories and carbs ive gained like a lb in a few weeks but like you said, look like im bigger than before, so weight is definitely odd.
the job thing is rough...but damn, youre right that youve come a long way with everything. it sounds like youve totally turned your life around, great job. as easy as it is to forget how far youve come, its equally as easy for me to take for granted that i didnt have to grow up in an environment where i had to do stuff like that to get by.
im only 20 and a sophomore in college, so im still foreign to the full time job for a living, but i know when i get out of college with a degree in psychology and philosophy that ill probably be in an equally as stressful situation, since what im majoring in isnt very applicablt without more schooling...maybe i am naive, but things seem to work out. i mean, maybe you wont get rich, but youll find a reliable job. if i was in ur situation i would be stressed like hell too, but life goes on. whatever youve done in the past is history, what u r doing in the present is what really matters, and youve changed everything for the better, youve been very helpful on here, good job again. stick with it and itll work out.
What he said.
I know how ya feel. I just quit a job I have been at for 6 years. I have been on a high (the feeling of 50 redbulls and a shot of crack) all week. The unemployment thing has not hit me yet, but it will.
Keep working on your goals and journaling them--I am going to need reading material since I am unemployed now-haha.
Change is hard but it is good for us. You are gonna do great. You have done amazing things with your body and you don't live that lifestyle you once did anymore.
And the God thing, he does forgive.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/14/2007 2:54:34 PM
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aye thanks guys for the encouragement. Pshh man I tell ya every sport is tough isn't it. This truly is the only one I will never quite ever.
Good Luck to you guys as well!
So yesterday I tried decline for the hell of it.
225 x 10
275 x 6
Okay on that 6th rep My hand slipped a little and the weight started to roll out of my right hand.. I could feel that it was going to come down on my neck... It scared the hell out of me.. So no more messing with 275 I want to just stick to 255 because I have better control over it.. I need to wait and work up to 275 when I can rep it easly 6 - 8 times on the flat Ill mess with 275 again. So I need to rep 255 x 10 now.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/17/2007 7:26:08 PM
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Flat Bench:
135 x 20
205 x 10
265 x 5
I think its safe to say that hitting the flat bench 2 - 3 times a week works for me. BTW epistane cycle ended today.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/18/2007 4:01:12 PM
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damn... I was looking back at my first couple posts!! I could barely do 250 for 3 reps!! insane!! I have hit up to 275 for 4 when I was fresh.. but 275 x 3 on my last sets. 265 x 5 just yesterday... Damn!
So its been about 6 weeks and I have added 25lbs onto my bench.. Not bad at all... I can probably get 285 x 3 by next week.. I am going to give my self 8 weeks.. In 8 weeks my short term goal will have been 35lbs onto my bench. Pretty damn cool!! Science of overtraining has not room in my body building life style. Obviously I found something that works.
This actually worked better then the 15 rep thing I was doing.. I will try this with my squats and deadlifts as well.. So next compound lift will be deadlifts. Then possibly standing military press. I am going to increase them all.. I got to test this theory out with other lifts.
I was considering the fact that last anabolic cycle I was doing 245 x 7.. But 245 x 7 is a big difference from 265 x 5 especially because I was only doing 10 reps with 135 and then 5 reps with 225 before I did 245 x 7.. Now I am pulling off more reps and then in the end on my last set hitting 20lbs more with 2 less reps mainly due to being tired. I can rep 245 x 10 + Now easy.
Diet for today pretty much the same as everyday:
6. Raisin bran cereal + oatmeal + glass of milk
10. Turkey and salami sandwich on wheat bread + cheese stick + chips
12.45 Chicken + Rice + tomatoes
4:00 apple + peanut butter and jelly sandwich on white bread + bowl pasta
Coming up
5:45 pasta + cheese stick + bowl of fruit
7:30 Ribs + Rice + Broccoli
9:30 same as last meal
I ran out of cyto gainer so that sucks.. This is actually a tad bit more food then I am use to eating.. normally I eat 6 meals a day now there is 7 due to not having my shakes.. But when I get my shakes I will be adding one in the morning 1 in the evening + Muscle milk pudding snacks in with either my lunch or my snack after lunch.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/18/2007 7:25:10 PM
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Nice work. I'm gonna give this a try to see if I can bust this plateau on bench. I've kinda started doing it casually, throwing 3-4 sets of bench or incline bench on to the end of my Thursday workout in addition to my usual push day on Monday, and I seem to be having some small improvement in strength finally. But I might formalize it a bit and add an extra day that focuses on chest work so I hit it hard twice a week.
Heck, my entire upper body lags pretty bad except for my lats, so maybe I'll double up on all of it.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/19/2007 9:06:43 AM
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ibb, how are you incorporating these bench sets into your routines, so are you doing bench presses with shoulders, legs, etc or are you just bench pressing?
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height 5'9 weight 205 lbs b.f 17
bench press july 08: 255 *9
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZ-F7r2SNs
old bench video 245 * 10
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3633862719544729670
BENCH PRESS NEW EST MAX 330 LBS
deadlift : 485lbs
yates rows : 265 * 9
close grip bench press : 255 * 5
squat : 365 ! :@
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/19/2007 9:50:01 AM
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Monday: Chest -- Flat bench incorp.
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: legs
Thursday:shoulders - Flat Bench Incorp
Friday: Off
Saturday: Arms - Flat Bench Incorp
when I work my chest I am hitting incline flys dips etc... When I work my shoulders its flat bench dumbell shoulder press and the rest is all laterals. When I work my arms I only put my grip a little closer then normal do my flat bench and then get on with my curls skull crushers etc.
Anyways seems to work for me even though now my upper body is bigger and stronger then my lower.. Not a big deal though I will catch the lower body up I was just hardly working my legs due to injury. Soon I will do this strategy for squats.. 2 - 3 x a week
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/20/2007 9:40:14 AM
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But I might formalize it a bit and add an extra day that focuses on chest work so I hit it hard twice a week.
Yeah this is what I do man. So I totally agree with the idea. You know this won't work for everyone I don't think... Or maybe it will I guess some of you will have to be the judge.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/20/2007 12:06:41 PM
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Flat Bench:
135 x 15 or 20 can't remember
205 x 10
260 x 6
225 x 7
300 x 1
I would say that was not bad at all... I am still getting stronger amazingly... So anyways I will jump up to 270 and shoot for 5 reps.. Then hopefully to 275 and finally hit 5... After that I may ease off to 2 x a week and get my squats going on. I am going to do the same thing with squats.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/20/2007 6:11:59 PM
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I'm actually getting a little skeptical of the whole rule of thumb of one workout per muscle group per week. I've seen some research that suggests that more often may be optimal, and your results seem to back that up too. For me, I do feel like some areas just need "more."
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/20/2007 6:49:00 PM
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I'm actually getting a little skeptical of the whole rule of thumb of one workout per muscle group per week. I've seen some research that suggests that more often may be optimal, and your results seem to back that up too. For me, I do feel like some areas just need "more."
I was skeptical of this whole idea.. I thought the kid who uses it Toby Cook was full of **** to be honest.. I knew he was not faking 360+ lb bench he actually hit that amount of weight... I asked him how he got that strong he said he just benched every other day or sometimes even everyday.. I finally decided to try it... It works.. he was right and everything I thought I knew about overtraining just seemed to go out the window.
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--Ninja spy of the Emancipation Detoxification.--
"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/21/2007 8:05:48 PM
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well I was screwing around today I wanted to see if I could just pick up 185lbs on the barbell and push it above my head hold it up there ya know? Just to see if I could do it.. well.... I did... it was not hard actually... It was more like a snatch though I jumped a tad got it half way and pushed it but It looked really smooth and I totally held it there and was like damn dude... I actually did this... It was not hard...
I think after I start repping more then 145lbs for standing military press I will attempt to push 205 over my head. Eventually I want to be able to do 225 or 245.
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--Ninja spy of the Emancipation Detoxification.--
"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/22/2007 5:16:57 AM
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well I was screwing around today I wanted to see if I could just pick up 185lbs on the barbell and push it above my head hold it up there ya know? Just to see if I could do it.. well.... I did... it was not hard actually... It was more like a snatch though I jumped a tad got it half way and pushed it but It looked really smooth and I totally held it there and was like damn dude... I actually did this... It was not hard...
I think after I start repping more then 145lbs for standing military press I will attempt to push 205 over my head. Eventually I want to be able to do 225 or 245.
cool. me and you are prity much exactly the same as far as shoulder strength goes. i militery pressed 90 kg like on the first week of my d-bol cycle, but since then it hasent raised one tiny bit. i struggled to get 190 lbs last night...
started my epistane cycle 2 days ago, takin 60 mg per day? how much would you advise on taking? and at what intervals? ive just been takin them in the morning afternoon and evening.
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height 5'9 weight 205 lbs b.f 17
bench press july 08: 255 *9
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZ-F7r2SNs
old bench video 245 * 10
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3633862719544729670
BENCH PRESS NEW EST MAX 330 LBS
deadlift : 485lbs
yates rows : 265 * 9
close grip bench press : 255 * 5
squat : 365 ! :@
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/22/2007 8:09:04 AM
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well I was screwing around today I wanted to see if I could just pick up 185lbs on the barbell and push it above my head hold it up there ya know? Just to see if I could do it.. well.... I did... it was not hard actually... It was more like a snatch though I jumped a tad got it half way and pushed it but It looked really s
mooth and I totally held it there and was like damn dude... I actually did this... It was not hard...
I think after I start repping more then 145lbs for standing military press I will attempt to push 205 over my head. Eventually I want to be able to do 225 or 245.
cool. me and you are prity much exactly the same as far as shoulder strength goes. i militery pressed 90 kg like on the first week of my d-bol cycle, but since then it hasent raised one tiny bit. i struggled to get 190 lbs last night...
started my epistane cycle 2 days ago, takin 60 mg per day? how much would you advise on taking? and at what intervals? ive just been takin them in the morning afternoon and evening.
No more then 50mg per day.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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RE: Beyond All science.. Beyond my beliefs - 10/22/2007 2:41:41 PM
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oh man I tried something similar to that and if I start with back my chest suffers.. Like I lose strength in that area.. Working large muscle groups together does not seem to work for me..
I am going to incorp this 3 x 5 and the 8x8 into my routine though.
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"Man.. It feels good when alot of losers are around. "
Every man has his strong points.
In a party full of average fish the sharks really stand out.
With the way things are going Ill be 240 by March 2010
Short term goal - 215lbs 10% BF
New Scale weight - coming soon.
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