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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 6:20:43 PM
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04blackmax
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I found this http://bodybuilding-science.com/reviews/methyl_1_d/
Apparently it is a reincarnation of M 1-A which became illegal. It sounds like some pretty serious stuff to me, I bought a bottle at GNC today...it will last me about 5 weeks. I will just have to see if its BS myself.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 6:24:14 PM
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04blackmax
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I think if I gained 20 lbs of water my eyeballs would be floating and you'd hear the water swishing around when I walked
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 6:31:53 PM
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I found this http://bodybuilding-science.com/reviews/methyl_1_d/
Apparently it is a reincarnation of M 1-A which became illegal. It sounds like some pretty serious stuff to me, I bought a bottle at GNC today...it will last me about 5 weeks. I will just have to see if its BS myself.
methyl 1-d is dhea and ai.
No relation whatsoever to m 1-a. It's not even technically a prohormone.
And if you thought it was so strong what did you pick up for pct?
I dunno maybe it'll help you bust throught the dreaded 130lbs plateu. lol
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 6:33:22 PM
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I think if I gained 20 lbs of water my eyeballs would be floating and you'd hear the water swishing around when I walked
You can gain up to 10 in water. That all I know of.. My buddy just got off the tren and lost 3lbs of water but he is still getting stronger and looks incredible. His face and stomach were kind of bloated during.. My water just started coming off too. My stomach and face was a bit bloated. Maxed out at 210 Now I seem to be dropping weight.. I urinated 5 times on friday it was insane!! I mean **** I only drank 1 bottle of water and a gatorade..
I am getting to the point where I don't even care what the scale says anymore. Check your measurements and go by that.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 6:48:52 PM
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I would have listened to Vaughn man, he knows his stuff. If I was in your situation I would have picked up some Activate Xtreme, or some Bold.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 8:30:13 PM
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vaughn is right on this one, i took m1d, but i really think my reconstructed diet(added about 500 calories) is what caused my weight gain, which i have maintained up untill now, since i will be running epi at 30 mg/4 weeks.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/28/2007 10:49:48 PM
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vaughn is right on this one, i took m1d, but i really think my reconstructed diet(added about 500 calories) is what caused my weight gain, which i have maintained up untill now, since i will be running epi at 30 mg/4 weeks.
why like that? why not ramp dosage....20/30/30/40...?
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/29/2007 2:10:44 PM
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vaughn is right on this one, i took m1d, but i really think my reconstructed diet(added about 500 calories) is what caused my weight gain, which i have maintained up untill now, since i will be running epi at 30 mg/4 weeks.
why like that? why not ramp dosage....20/30/30/40...?
20mg/day of havoc usually doesnt produce the best results, and 40 seems to be a waste for many people(myself included)
The best way to run Havoc/Epistane is 30mg/day for all 4 weeks IMO.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/29/2007 2:14:52 PM
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vaughn is right on this one, i took m1d, but i really think my reconstructed diet(added about 500 calories) is what caused my weight gain, which i have maintained up untill now, since i will be running epi at 30 mg/4 weeks.
why like that? why not ramp dosage....20/30/30/40...?
20mg/day of havoc usually doesnt produce the best results, and 40 seems to be a waste for many people(myself included)
The best way to run Havoc/Epistane is 30mg/day for all 4 weeks IMO.
Toolman, this is basicly the only reason i have decided to do 30mg/day for all 4 weeks. Not only is it more cost efficient... but vaughn says so :) Also, vaughn, im thinking about 10 mg pre and 10 mg post, then the third with my 5:00 meal? hows that sound? both will be taken with either a fish oil or flax oil capsule.
< Message edited by johnnyb1635 -- 7/29/2007 2:16:22 PM >
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/29/2007 2:40:06 PM
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04blackmax
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I don't think this stuff is very hardcore...its more so then anything else Ive taken so far. I do believe different people experience different results so in spite of some saying they got no results others say they did. It wasnt all that expensive either. If I dont see any results I will not buy again and maybe try something else. Its only day 2 and ive only worked out once while using it so only time will tell.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/29/2007 11:46:26 PM
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vaughn is right on this one, i took m1d, but i really think my reconstructed diet(added about 500 calories) is what caused my weight gain, which i have maintained up untill now, since i will be running epi at 30 mg/4 weeks.
why like that? why not ramp dosage....20/30/30/40...?
20mg/day of havoc usually doesnt produce the best results, and 40 seems to be a waste for many people(myself included)
The best way to run Havoc/Epistane is 30mg/day for all 4 weeks IMO.
Toolman, this is basicly the only reason i have decided to do 30mg/day for all 4 weeks. Not only is it more cost efficient... but vaughn says so :) Also, vaughn, im thinking about 10 mg pre and 10 mg post, then the third with my 5:00 meal? hows that sound? both will be taken with either a fish oil or flax oil capsule.
hmm. I figured it would be more effective to gradually let it build up in your system and then add to it slowly. Make sure you do a log on this stuff jonb...
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/29/2007 11:48:20 PM
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toolman4052
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I don't think this stuff is very hardcore...its more so then anything else Ive taken so far. I do believe different people experience different results so in spite of some saying they got no results others say they did. It wasnt all that expensive either. If I dont see any results I will not buy again and maybe try something else. Its only day 2 and ive only worked out once while using it so only time will tell.
At least it's not methylated... Are you taking any support supps with it? And you're right, you never know how a person will react based on how others' bodies reacted to the same thing.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/30/2007 7:09:22 AM
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04blackmax
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Milk Thistle...but I learned my lesson to onnly take it with food because I had this uncomfortable burning sensation in my throat and could taste it on my breath for hours after.
I found it strange that the guy at GNC told me you dont need anything post cycle. Im still going to take one anyway though, got nothing to lose with that.
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/30/2007 12:30:13 PM
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toolman4052
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What are you thinking bout trying post cycle? novedex xt, rebound xt, 6-oxo, something else?
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/30/2007 12:55:22 PM
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04blackmax
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Well, I see alot of stuff about 6-oxo...that was my initial thought. Good product?
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 7/30/2007 5:55:59 PM
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Toolman, this is basicly the only reason i have decided to do 30mg/day for all 4 weeks. Not only is it more cost efficient... but vaughn says so :) Also, vaughn, im thinking about 10 mg pre and 10 mg post, then the third with my 5:00 meal? hows that sound? both will be taken with either a fish oil or flax oil capsule.
Space all dosings out evenly for ANY hormonal product. Since you'll be at 30mg/day, that equates to 3 doses/day. So 24 hours/ 3 doses = 1 dose every 8 hours.
Don't buy into the hype that you will get a preworkout "jolt" by taking a pill before hand. Your body takes time to digest/release these products.
The more evenly/steady you take hormonal products the more level your blood hormone levels stay. The more constant these blood hormone levels are, the easier it is to gain while also helping to mask/eliminate sides.
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
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RE: 04blackmax's post continued - 8/10/2007 6:28:41 AM
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04blackmax
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Well its been about 2 weeks now and I have gained about 4-5lbs. My strength has increased during this time, on the tricep pulldown (my favorite exercise) I used to not be able to do more than 60lbs once, now I can do 80 for 6 reps. It seems I have blown through a plateu in that exercise in a pretty short time. I was able to bench 155 for 12 reps and tried 185 and did 3 reps after being pretty spent. I could probably do 200x1 now...previously I never exceeded 165 (but then again never really tried) In short there has been evidence of strength gains and about 5 lbs of weight in a couple weeks.
So, i can're really call BS on this product, theres still more then half a bottle left and then im going to use novadex since everyone on here raves about it. Any chance I might see gains from novadex perhaps even more so then from this Non prosteroid M1P? Im hoping so.
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