RE: PROHORMONES

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ORIGINAL: modagg

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ORIGINAL: fresha

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ORIGINAL: psalms_soldier

guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.

There's plenty of prohormones currenty on the market where 6-OXO is more than enough for PCT to supress estrogen.

If you were to suggest that everyone takes breast cancer drugs that kill estrogen dead at the receptor after taking any kind of PH; this would be bad advice and serious blanket overkill.

please! prohormones by definition are a precursor to hormones (testosterone in this case); so for someone like u who seems lacking in knowledge of such things, basically their this stuff that when metabolised they find this little missing piece called an atom and then by the graces of god they are converted into hormones; so lets summarize ph + enzymes = steroids = pct involving an atd or serm. btw prohormones are currently illegal in the us and anything thats one the market now, isn't a prohormone. actually its easier to find oral steroids then pH's (all those sd rip offs). its one thing to give bad advice when it comes to creatine or something, but leave serious stuff like this to ppl that know. also i just enjoyed your thoughts on nolva literally killing estrogen.

-seacrest out.

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ORIGINAL: fresha

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ORIGINAL: modagg

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ORIGINAL: fresha

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ORIGINAL: psalms_soldier

guys 6-oxo isnt a standalone pct on anything that is a true ph.

There's plenty of prohormones currenty on the market where 6-OXO is more than enough for PCT to supress estrogen.

If you were to suggest that everyone takes breast cancer drugs that kill estrogen dead at the receptor after taking any kind of PH; this would be bad advice and serious blanket overkill.

please! prohormones by definition are a precursor to hormones (testosterone in this case); so for someone like u who seems lacking in knowledge of such things, basically their this stuff that when metabolised they find this little missing piece called an atom and then by the graces of god they are converted into hormones; so lets summarize ph + enzymes = steroids = pct involving an atd or serm. btw prohormones are currently illegal in the us and anything thats one the market now, isn't a prohormone. actually its easier to find oral steroids then pH's (all those sd rip offs). its one thing to give bad advice when it comes to creatine or something, but leave serious stuff like this to ppl that know. also i just enjoyed your thoughts on nolva literally killing estrogen.

-seacrest out.

Please, spare me your schooling of "What are prohormones?" sunshine and take a seat...

I recommend that you research the function of estrogen in the human body and it's positive role in hypertrophy to gain an understanding of why it's often a disadvantage to run less potent PH's going overkill on certain anti-estrogen drugs during PCT as well as the availability of designer PH's and free form powders for transdermal use in other countries, before letting your jaw rattle. I don't care what's on the shelves at your "Walmart" or "GNC", nor do I care for your delusional attempts at schooling me, so remain seated and rise only when you've something productive to bring to the table, or my food...

It might have been a good idea to elect a particular PH and dosage as a base of argument, though since you lack in logical thinking I'll leave you to stew in your own mess.

In answer to psamls, yes additional supplements are required to encourage natural test production besides 6-OXO. My point is that 6-OXO alone is suitable for the purpose of supressing estrogen for what are "weak prohormones" (In relation to others which require more strict PCT). If you think that every PH at any dose causes the same degree of shutdown and androgenic effect as the next then you are seriously misinformed...

Running a less potent PH and running a potent anti-e during PCT is not the way to go. "Total recovery" depends upon hormone (test and estrogen) ratio being brought back to baseline levels. It's not a case of supressing estrogen for an unjustified, prolonged period of time by means of the most potent anti-e available. The use of PCT supps / drugs are dictated by the PH cycle itself and personal response to each.

To the original poster; as stated above,  it isn't a case of "WHAT'S THE BEST?" You might want to do a little more research and assess your training...

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ORIGINAL: K Rock 12

Ok let me just put it out there...i've said it before and imma say it again lol...im 20 yrs. weigh 165 and i've been workin out about 2 years...i was thinking about taking the furazadrol (non-methylated but hormonal) hyperTEST stack, but alot of people are telling me to stay away..would it be best on my part to just stick with the hyperdrol x2, mass fx, retain stack??????????

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so whats the point of taking a so called weak pH, messing with natural test production so u can gain 2-3 extra pounds just doesn't make sense to me.

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regarding my credibility, i would think getting into med school would have been enough cred for an internet forum or maybe u should go get a degree in chemisty; anyone can repeat crap they read on wikipedia.

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ORIGINAL: johnnyb1635

Weak PH.... LOL

Thats like saying Freindly Lukemia.

You most likely will have some form of shutdown, and your body will not on its own be able to restore its testosterone levels back to normal, and even if can, your estrogen will still be high due to the attempt of the body to create equilibrium when you started pumping synthetic hormones into your body.  Your testosterone goes up, your estrogen goes up, but when your test. drops after you cycle off your PH/AAS, your estrogen is going to stay up. 

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ORIGINAL: johnnyb1635

Methyl 1 d = good stuff, took it for 6 weeks standalone and gained about 14 pounds, lost .03 % bodyfat too :)

Oral turinadrol by Jauggernaut nutrition to me looks like a Halodrol 50 clone, I may be mistaken though.

3AD is the same compound as 11-oxo.  I believe these are both "androstanes".  Im not positive about this, but this is what I believe they are.  If this is the case, they are also in the same family as Liquid Masterdrol.  Which actually are pretty anabolic, only downside is that they are VERY androgenic.

Methyl 3- d??????? what is that?

As far as i know, mass tabs is just a tablet full of test boosters.  But this Stenbelone it claims to have makes me wonder.  As far as I know, stenbelone is a steroid.

Novedex xt is ATD and a few other goodies.  Its a great AI, but not a ph in any way.  Stacked with some DHEA its said to synergize well and cause some decent muscle gains.

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ORIGINAL: odw777

What about pulse cycling? Minimal to no shutdown with most apperently. You can easilly use an otc pct.
I was reading up on pulse cycling havoc.

I should have said weak pro steroid I guess. But the companies themselves are recommending just something like novadex xt with 3ad and furazadrol.

It's kind of ironic to me. Here you can order these products that are basically legal steroids, but some people say you MUST have nolva/clomid. But those are illegal. Plus they can have some serious sides, way more then anything like furazadrol. Like loss of vision or cancer? Damn.

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ORIGINAL: fresha

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ORIGINAL: johnnyb1635

Weak PH.... LOL

Thats like saying Freindly Lukemia.

You most likely will have some form of shutdown, and your body will not on its own be able to restore its testosterone levels back to normal, and even if can, your estrogen will still be high due to the attempt of the body to create equilibrium when you started pumping synthetic hormones into your body.  Your testosterone goes up, your estrogen goes up, but when your test. drops after you cycle off your PH/AAS, your estrogen is going to stay up. 

"Weak PH" is no more funny than a "0.3% drop in bodyfat", "Max Curling" hormone consuming 18 year old boy.....

It's good to see you were raised with the taboos in their correct place.

Your points have already been established. It might do you justice to not re-iterate information that has already been mentioned. If test isn't raised significantly then estrogen isn't raised to a degree of having to take, or consider taking more potent anti-e's (beyond that of 6-OXO for example) in an attempt to balance a minor disrupted hormone ratio.

The PCT estrogen "dump" is dependant upon the dosage and duration of the PH cycle. The high levels of estrogen left (in relation to test) by the abundance of natutral test can be countered in many situations to an extent with a weaker anti-e supplement (as opposed to Tamoxifen). As mentioned this depends upon the PH, dosage and duration, which directly dictates the degree of natural hormone manipulation.

I look forward to viewing at least one of your posts in the training forum, which co-incidentally should be your primary focus....

Make sure my bread is soft, the tuna is fresh and the onion is diced finely...

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ORIGINAL: njmuscle66

I wish people would spend more time energy and research on training protocols, non hormonal supplementation, and build a foundation than to constantly jump on the designer steroid of the month campaign in their quest for the next ten lbs of muscle.  Come close to your maximal genetic potential before you even begin to think about designer steroids.  I hate the use of the phrase pro hormones.  These are steroids on the market now

If you are not benching your bodyweight or more, if you can't do 2 times your weigh in the squat/deadlift than take your protein and creatine until you can and stop looking for the magic bullet.  I was lifting for 2o freaking years before prohormones came on the market and even then I waited to use them...............Just seems that any supplement with a DROL on the end is the only thing people want to talk about now

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ORIGINAL: odw777

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ORIGINAL: njmuscle66

I wish people would spend more time energy and research on training protocols, non hormonal supplementation, and build a foundation than to constantly jump on the designer steroid of the month campaign in their quest for the next ten lbs of muscle.  Come close to your maximal genetic potential before you even begin to think about designer steroids.  I hate the use of the phrase pro hormones.  These are steroids on the market now

If you are not benching your bodyweight or more, if you can't do 2 times your weigh in the squat/deadlift than take your protein and creatine until you can and stop looking for the magic bullet.  I was lifting for 2o freaking years before prohormones came on the market and even then I waited to use them...............Just seems that any supplement with a DROL on the end is the only thing people want to talk about now

But how do you know when you hit that genetic limit? I mean I made some good progress, but I think there's just no way I can maintain a 6 pack and weight 180-190, no matter my diet. Would it be best for me to wait till I'm 21, or does it matter that much, I mean you see countless guys trying it at an earlier age. Also how do you feel about the pulse cycling idea?
It's just rediculous how quickly the guys on ph gain, one went from 140 to about 200 in like 6 months. But when I saw him now, he weights less then me.