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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 6/2/2005 11:04:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, he told me he had already canceled the offer but that was about 5 days ago and the offer is still up! Just checked

It'll last about 2 more days or so, it was my fault the cancelation is in process. He sent out the mail to EF right after I talked to him about it.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 6/2/2005 3:09:56 PM   
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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 6/3/2005 12:59:01 PM   
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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 8/24/2005 5:32:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to bring up an old thread, but could someone give me a link to Naviator's Optimum Anabolic's journal?  I can't find it...

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 8/25/2005 8:53:07 PM   
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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 9/16/2006 6:32:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Marc,

Did you log your diet when on this program?  I'm trying to design my meal plans for this, and am looking for examples of what other people ate.

Thanks!  Z

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 9/17/2006 7:20:20 PM   
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I just knew what I needed in terms of protein, carbs and fats and then used FitDay as I ate thru the day to see how close I was.

This go around, I've got a structured meal plan outline.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 9/17/2006 7:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		cool, sorry I've been repetitive in my questions.  For the curious, I've also started a low protein Critique My Recipe Thread:  http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/Low_protein_recipes_thread_for_nutty_Optimum_Anabolics_protein_deprivation_phases/m_183443/tm.htm

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 11/1/2006 7:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		what i dont get is...ive followed a few logs and alot of people swear by this but after 12 weeks many people have the same measurments as they did when they started or even lose a little (some by way of BF%) but this is a bulking routine, so if its an effective program wouldnt the measurements go up?

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 11/2/2006 2:26:14 PM   
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but this is a bulking routine, so if its an effective program wouldn't the measurements go up?


It is a bulking/maintenance/fat loss routine.

It depends on the person's diet and what path they picked at the beginning.

If your measurements didn't change (weight, physical measurements) from the beginning to end then yes.. that's called no progress and something is wrong. 

If you were on the cutting part of this program, you might not have gained as much muscle but your waist or overall body fat should have dropped.

I've done this program twice now and both my weight and physical measurements have changed including but not limited to a significant increase in muscle mass and a smaller but noticeable drop in body fat.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 11/2/2006 3:49:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm talking about measurements as far as muscle size more so than weight.  many people claim to have lost fat and gained muscle.....they have the same measurements, roughly the same weight and just look more cut up. and i understand that fat is replaced by muscle so aside from those already with alot of BF to spare, wouldnt the myotape get stretched out more?  otherwise, where did all the muscle go?

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 11/2/2006 7:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		That can depend on just too many factors.

What if you were 20% body fat with a 16" bicep but at the end you were 15% body fat with a 15" bicep?

You'd look more cut but the myo-tape would show you'd gotten smaller when in actual numbers you didn't.

When I bulk and do the O.A. program, all my measurements go up.  Period.

But if I was cutting, then I would assume the tape would show smaller measurments as fat would be lost around the muscles in question.

Really it's not the tape I'm concerned with..

It's overall weight and body fat percentages.

If my weight goes up but my body fat goes down... that's muscle.

If my weight goes up and so does my body fat... that's fat.

If my weight goes down but my body fat goes up.. that's muscle saying buh-bye.

Etc...

At the end the person should know if they gained muscle or lost fat via the measurements they were taking weekly per Jeff's recommendations and by using his simple computer program.

You should see body fat decrease and muscle increase regardless of the path you picked.  The rate of increase or decrease would be significant depending on what your goal was in the beginning.

And take into account height as well.  I saw a post on DB today where the individual put on 25 lbs but didn't look any different.  But he was 6" tall!  25 lbs on that size of a frame isn't anything compared to a guy who's 5'4" where 25 lbs is totally obvious.

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RE: 29 bucks!!!!!!!! - 11/12/2006 7:59:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc David

Optimum Anabolics for $29

I talked to Jeff a while back about this and he said something was missing from that.  However, I have to agree with 8pack.  Whatever was missing was not that important to be honest.

Thanks for finding this again 8pack.  I thought at first it was a mis-print and such but when I asked Jeff, he said it was the real deal.

8pack... do you think this should be a forum announcement or a quick newsletter to the members?  Seems like there is a lot of interest on this but $67 freaks people out.



what happen to the link? It redirected me to a steroid site. Is it really 29 bucks?

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RE: 29 bucks!!!!!!!! - 11/12/2006 8:12:35 AM   
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what happen to the link? It redirected me to a steroid site. Is it really 29 bucks?


Offer is not valid anymore.  I've changed the link to Jeff Official site.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 12/5/2006 2:10:54 AM   
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i have some question from you
i'll be so thankfull if you reply
i got the optimum anabolics and somthings are dark for me
bigget problem is the protein diet cycle
i dont know what has protein in it and how much it has ( the same with carbs and fat )
i read your review and it helps so much for undrestanding the program better
I voted for you at least maybe you win and i pay my due !
BYE

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 12/5/2006 7:40:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		This looks like a pretty good program, however the cost seems to be 97USD now from what I can see.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 12/5/2006 11:50:20 AM   
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97USD now from what I can see.


It will be if it isn't already but until December 14, 2006 if you go to OAChallenge.JustAskMarc.com and vote (Contestant #22 if you are so inclined) for anybody, you'll see a page after you vote with the final offer price of $~67.00

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 12/5/2006 11:52:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you aren't sure what constitues a protein and such, there is a very good nutrition post by our own Dan of DB that covers a lot of the basics and advanced topics of quick muscle gains that you can use in the Optimum Anabolics program.

There is a very good list of proteins, carbs and fats in that post as well that will link up directly to what Jeff has in his program but Dan's post goes into a lot more detail.

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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 12/11/2006 9:12:56 PM   
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RE: Optimum Anabolics -The Review - 2/26/2007 5:54:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		anyways ive been reading your reveiw and im thinking of starting this program  and i am hoping u can help me out lol im new to this  here are my two diets and i copy your low protein diet hope u dont mind.


Low-Protein                                            High-Protein

Breakfast:                                              Breakfast:                        

Oats, orange juice, banana         Protein shake (muscle milk)

Snack 1:                                                  Snack 1:

Fruit,almonds                                  Fruit,almonds,chicken,tuna

Lunch:                                                       Lunch:

Thai or Mexican (noodles) and fruit     brocooli and protein shake                                             (Mass Gainer 2007)

Snack 2:                                                         Snack 2:

Fruit, peanuts                                        Fruit, peanuts

Post-Workout:                                      Post-Workout:
Protein shake                       Protein shake (muscle milk)

Dinner:                                           Dinner:

Noodles, salad                                chicken, tuna                                                                                                                    
Snack 3:                                                Snack 3 :

Fruit, nuts                           Protein shake (muscle milk) 


anyways can u critique mi high protein diet and help me out with any toher things that can make it better



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