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RE: Get more Strenth, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 5/31/2007 2:04:11 PM
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danmirage
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Faster absorption.
Your OVERALL diet should have about 30%+- fats from good sources to support ONGOING hormone production. It better already be in the system by the time you train buddy. Cause if you take high fat post workout...it still has to be processed to convert it to the forms that can then be converted to hormone precursors.
The science shows that the pre/post workout nutrition above is the most anabolic that we know of. Should someone show that the addition of fats in the post workout improves it further...then I will rave about that. However, to my knowledge, nobody has shown that. I keep looking.
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RE: Get more Strenth, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 6/13/2007 10:12:51 PM
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Joromir
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Hey Dan, currently I'm leaning up and losing bodyfat, yet attempting to maintain if not add more lean mass.
I may not have given you enough info, but even though I'm leaning... do I still want to add the creatine? Or is the whey by itself pre and post workout better for leaning?
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RE: Get more Strenth, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 6/18/2007 5:51:00 PM
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Joromir
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Hey Dan,
Does the same creatine/protein/carb formula apply for offday?
Meaning... do I continue to use the creatine on the off days? Or do
I skip the creatine and keep the rest of the diet the same?
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RE: Get more Strength, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 6/18/2007 10:30:35 PM
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Joromir
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Thanks for your advice Dan.
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RE: Get more Strength, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 8/17/2007 12:26:31 AM
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s1a0m1m2
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Hey Dan, I weigh 186 lbs, and I want to incorporate the pre and post workout eating habits you suggested, so should I be taking 5 grams of creatine pre and post workout, is 10 grams a day too much? Also I was curious what would be good sources for pre and post workout carbs? Reading this thread through gave me so many questions. I was thinking I could start taking half a ON Pro Complex shake pre and the other half post workout but it is a complex protein, is it important that it be a 100% whey? Do you think you could lay out a sample pre and post workout meals? Thanks for all the help.
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RE: Get more Strength, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 12/17/2007 12:39:14 AM
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Trick
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On the lable of my creatine (Six Star Muscle Fuel) the serving size is 1 rounded scoop (57g), and thats what i have been taking for 5 months,with the new info you have given, i should be taking 6.9g's.Has the excess done any harm? Should i take some time off from the creatine to clean out my body, then start back on it ?
Thanks in advance
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RE: Get more Strength, More Muscle and More Leanness! - 12/17/2007 1:14:49 AM
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That is 57 grams of product, not 57 grams of creatine. There are some 6 grams of creatine in there. My opinion of the supplement in question, though not asked, is that it is overpriced and hyped. You would be better served and pay far less to take the creatine as a straight Creatine Monohydrate.
If you want to take L-Arganine as well, then you can also find that and take it before bed so as not to conflict with any anabolic effects of training (which it will if taken before, during or after training.) The amount in the product is not enough (1/4) to make up the recommended dosage.
If you want the taurine, again you would be better getting it singly and taking it. Though your pre and post workout nutrition should cover the taurine intake.
Six Star Muscle Fuel - $20 for 20 servings
Calories 170
Total Carbohydrate 42g 14%*
Sugars 42g †
Calcium 70mg 7%
Sodium(as Di-Sodium Phosphate) 25mg 1%
HyperPure Creatine Complex™ 6000mg †
Creatine Monohydrate †
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL †
Creatine Alpha-Ketoglutarate †
Creatine Anhydrous †
Tri-Creatine HCA †
Anabolic Cofactor™ 2002mg †
Taurine †
Taurine Ethyl Ester HCL †
Taurine Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium †
Nitric Oxide Activator™ 1002mg †
L-Arginine †
L-Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate †
Arginine Ketoisocaproic Acid †
Accelerated Insulin Drive™ 222mg †
6, 8-Thioctic Acid †
L-Citrulline †
L-Leucine †
D-Pinitol†† †
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
† Daily Value not established
Other Ingredients
Laboratory-Grade Dextrose, Citric Acid, Calcium Silicate, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Gum Blend(Modified Food Starch, Gum Acacia, Titanium Dioxide, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Xanthan Gum, Citric Acid), FD&C Red #40, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium
Thioctic Acid = Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA)
Pinitol - shown to stimulate glucose uptake in clinical trials at a certain dosage.
Citrulline - anti-oxidant, boosts effect of L-Arganine
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