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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/26/2004 3:15:11 PM   
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MRM Metabolic Whey's French Vanilla tastes incredible!


I use my MRM vanilla in my oatmeal every morning and love it! I add raspberries, strawberries, blueberries or banana and it is just like a treat for me. I have yet to use it in a shake, because I want to save it for my oatmeal. LOL.

One of these days I want to get some of those flavors that WDN posted about here.

Until then, I have a bunch of MRM chocolate to finish off, which is great, with just water and tastes like chocolate milk.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/26/2004 3:45:59 PM   
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I drink only plain flavours like vanilla or chocolate. So if ONLY the taste that's good about musclemilk and not the nutrition content (18g FAT! and only 32g protein from a 75g scoop) then i wouldnt be interested.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/26/2004 6:44:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jenng
I use my MRM vanilla in my oatmeal every morning and love it! I add raspberries, strawberries, blueberries or banana and it is just like a treat for me. I have yet to use it in a shake, because I want to save it for my oatmeal. LOL.


Oh yeah! MRM in oatmeal is the best. I'm fond of the cottage cheese in oatmeal now too seeing as I've been out of whey for over a week now. But I have to add in some sweetener with the cottage cheese and there isn't as much protein.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/26/2004 9:31:09 PM   
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18 GRAMS OF FAT!!!!????


Here's where the misconception starts.

Fat = Bad
Carb = Bad

Except those who have read BFFM or have learned about basic nutrition on this forum know that not all fats are bad.

18g of fat. Yes. All bad fats? No. Not even.

Do you think I'd be preaching taking in 36g+ of fat every day? Yeah.. no. That link is merly the nutrition label.

Add in 2 cups of low fat or non-fat milk and you have:

1) 638 calories
2) Very few bad fat grams
3) Good carbs
4) Tons of protein
5) Awesome taste

Not only can this be a gainer but it's great for cutting.

I've tried many proteins. On bulks. And for me, Muscle Milk has kept me the leanest along with my fish oil pills.

I'll try and get somebody to answer this who knows more about the actual product. But the point is.

Cytosport didn't make a winning protein to be full of sugars and bad fats just to give you a good taste but a crappy workout drink.

If you just look at the label and see--->FAT--->18g

Then yeah. You will be like.. WTF?

Except fats aren't all the same. Saturated fats in a dough-nut are not the same as good fats in an avocado, peanuts, or fish. But it's all "fat" right?

I'm biased. I know. You know. Who cares. My only point in continuing this thread is only to at least present accurate facts about the ingredients. After that, it's the consumers choice. I just don't want a "guest" to read this and go.. OMG.. 18g of fat? Hell no!

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 5:02:54 AM   
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I don't think we're all as ignorant as to think that all fat is bad fat and all carbs are bad carbs. But the primary purpose of the stuff is to provide you with protein, right?

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 5:48:18 AM   
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Its to provide you with a well rounded drink that gives your body what it needs definetly after a hard work out. i notice a huge difference when i take muscle milk right when i wake up in the morning, keeps me going. my best advice, get an order from sups101 try it out, they are by far the cheapest place to get it. just if you are going to try it, go out on a limb and try something like rootbear float or cookies and cream. get a different taste instead of chocolate and vanilla.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 9:42:37 AM   
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"Primary Purpose"

Primary purpose of eating whey protein supplements are for.....

Finish that statement for yourself. I do it for the result...not the "protein" or the "carb count".

As I mentioned in another post. A paradigm is a perspective, not necessarily reality. Here's what I say : "if 18g of fat in MuslceMilk make me huge and cut, I'm all for it!"

What I'm encouraging is to think for yourself and to approach all information with an open mind. Incredible things can happen.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 10:34:41 AM   
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Well i guess the 18grams is just a number. I'm going to try out the supplement and see what it does for me.
Everyone who has tried musclemilk loves it, not only for the taste!

Thanx for your opinions everyone!Smile

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 11:44:04 AM   
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if 18g of fat in MuslceMilk make me huge and cut, I'm all for it!"


But the surely you don't think it is the Muscle Milk that is making you huge and cut? Your complete diet (of which the musclemilk is a part) as well as your training, rest, cardio component, other supps, etc are what will make you huge and cut. It's a total package.

I think what mhartman and I are wondering is why would someone choose musclemilk, with its added calories, carbs and fat, when you can just as much protein from your basic whey, with out the added stuff and the extra cost?

Not trying to bash a product, or say all fat is the same...just wondering.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 1:49:41 PM   
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I'm in no way implying that everybody is as ignorant to think all fats are bad. Although I'm sure we can find a handful of uneducated people in this regard. But that wasn't my purpose at all in posting that.

I only meant to say that 18g of fat looks bad if there is no discussion as to what they mean by that and there are such things as good fats that help you lose weight.

Your basic whey will NOT include:

Carbs
Glutamine
Creatine
Added calories

Now if you are really watching your calories or on a cutting diet, this might not be the best thing. Especially if you add milk.

But for those bulking or trying to gain muscle. The result is.. the most protein, the most carbs you can get in a shake without getting fat.

We all know that bulking you are going to gain some fat. But all people on bulking diets want to gain the least amount of fat possible.

All proteins are not the same. If you get a 10lb bag of Optimum do you believe it will be the same quality as Evopro?

So why would anybody get Muscle Milk? Just for the taste? I personally like it because it's a very efficient, very high quality protein shake. And since I get most of my protein from real foods, I only take about 2 of these a day anyway. Upon waking up. After my workout. The 2x I need protein fast. Might as well get the good stuff.

That's not to say any other proteins mentioned in this thread are not high quality.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 5:04:39 PM   
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How about Cytosport's "complete Whey" ? Its cheaper, is it a good protein?

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 8:55:17 PM   
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Yes. It's just your basic whey protein. Good stuff. But nothing like muscle milk with the added things. But if you are just looking for a whey protein.. vanilla.. and such. It's good. The higher line is Evopro. I've tried their whey and found it to be good.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 9:09:22 PM   
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Evopro? Never heard or seen it. I guess i'll check it out when im down in the US.

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/27/2004 9:21:07 PM   
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>>>Read about EvoPro

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/28/2004 9:30:03 AM   
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Wow. Evopro sounds amazing! It's also got glutamine peptides in it. I'm gonna get it. Thanx mda1125

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/28/2004 3:46:12 PM   
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jenng - absolutely correct. The MuscleMilk and any other supplements are ON TOP of sound nutrition and training methods. Good to clarify. Smile

From my understanding of what Cytosport was aiming for was the way that the proteins and other ingredients acted once in the body. From my conversations with the formulation staff, their intent is to make it as close to human requirements as possible while taking advantage of the GH release, etc.

There are many good whey proteins on the market and MM is one of the ones I use. Like anything nutrient, food source, or supplement, I cycle them all. Just a minor shift in the nutrient ratios or time of day will change the bodily response.

For example - for some phases I'll eat chicken for breakfast instead of eggs or fish. Other phases I'll do the same as mda mentioned....I'll take my shake in the morning after my water and lemon for the liver. There are many different methods. I suggest everyone to use what works for them and approach all information as information, not gospel. I also cycle my micronutrients. It'll a global approach as I find nothing is segregated (why cycle workouts and not food? Cluttered mind, cluttered life. etc)

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/28/2004 4:10:51 PM   
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Good post matt.

Do you have anything i could read about cycling nutrients?

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/29/2004 10:39:06 AM   
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Blitzseth - good question. I've adopted philosophies and techniques from other areas in the industry and simply applied it to nutrition. Tom Venuto has made this technique for macronutrient cyling easily accessible in his ebook (Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle).

After my personal research into micronutrients, I've just applied the same theory but in much more detail. I have yet to come out with my material because it assumes some particulars (quality of the nutrients must be high and potent, all manufactured to pharmaceutical GMP standards, etc). Because I've only found this in one company, the exposure is limited.

Now I'm by no means a formal scientist and thus I rely on the lab research by them. I take that information and utilize it in such a way that seems to work.

Bottom line - calorie cycling and macronutrient cycling can be found in Toms ebook.
Micronutrient cycling is about being creative and by understanding the impact in the body.

Helpful?

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RE: MuscleMilk - 7/29/2004 11:30:57 AM   
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Yup. Thanx!

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RE: MuscleMilk - 8/4/2004 1:15:06 PM   
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Probably should add this under reviews. It was a good read.

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