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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/4/2007 6:12:14 PM   
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Il keep it at ~3200 until next month and then add in some more carbs and protein primarily.

Well it has started to happen the past 5-6 days, i've become seriously horny, meaning a testosterone boost.

Even weirder is i have been getting a lot of "youre looking taller" comments, and i got measured at 6'1.6" on that machine...I thought it was the shoes but iono,the heels arent 1.5" big, heck they hardly make 1/2", ive always been 6ft give or take 1/4", sometimes i come out as my old 5'11 1/2" though, havent measured myself in ages lol.

I think my posture just really sucks ass LOL.

Even so im still gonna go on tribulus, i told my fiancee itd make me horny and she just smiled Smile

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/4/2007 7:26:57 PM   
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Daaaaaang. I love the test rush!!!!  Smile

I will keep my mouth shut about the trib...Smile

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 2:51:08 AM   
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lol yeah it's a great feeling! Apart from when youre in public for 5 hours straight and have a major urge to...LOL

Don't hold back on me dan, tell me whatever you want, id personally say youre one of if not the most knowledgable person on this board accordance to the biology of it all, so your opinion to me is pretty damn near gospel Smile

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 10:05:59 AM   
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OK.  I didn't want to spoil the placebo effect. Smile

There is NO evidence that this has any value for hormones and body composition.

It is all based on overreporting of a single, small, poorly done study that did not follow generally accepted practices...the reported findings could never be replicated.

The best designed and most recent human study compared the effects of tribulus (3.21 mg per kilogram of body weight for example, 292 mg daily for a 200-lb man) against placebo (fake treatment) on body composition and endurance among 15 men engaged in resistance training. At the end of the 8-week study, the only significant difference between the treatment and placebo groups was that the placebo group showed greater gains in endurance!

Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, et al. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males [abstract]. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000;10:208,215.

One well designed study failed to find that tribulus affects male sex hormone levels in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI. The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men. J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Jun 30.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 10:11:53 AM   
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Studies performed in Bulgaria are the primary source of most current health claims regarding tribulus. According to this research, tribulus increases levels of various hormones in the steroid family, including testosterone, DHEA and estrogen, and for this reason they claim it improves sports performance, fertility in men and women, sexual function (again in men and women), and symptoms of menopause (such as hot flashes).

Unfortunately, the design of these studies appears to fall far short of modern scientific standards, and there has not been any trustworthy scientific confirmation of these supposed benefits. One well designed study failed to find that tribulus affects male sex hormone levels in young men.

Tribulus terrestris is usually taken at a dose ranging from about 85 to 250 mg 3 times daily with meals. Some tribulus products are standardized to provide 40% furostanol saponins and taken at a dose providing 115 mg of saponins 2 to 3 times daily.

No significant adverse effects have been noted in any of the clinical trials or human research studies of tribulus.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 12:36:11 PM   
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So the worst that could happen is wasting my money?

No adverse side effects that could make me kill myself 10 years younger right? lol.

I can live with wasted money, i dont want to damage my health thats all im worried about lol.

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 1:00:07 PM   
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Nope.

"No significant adverse effects have been noted in any of the clinical trials or human research studies of tribulus. "

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 2:16:17 PM   
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Hmmm i'll try the supplement out then, grantoiz said he had major strength boosts with it and both his cycles got him out of plateus within weeks with the same training.

If it has no adverse effects then i'll just try it out, and il report back.
I wasnt expecting anything miraculous anyway, creatine was hyped up and when i cycled it years ago now i thought it was a magic non steroidal supplement, i now know its actually severely overhyped, and yes it does yield results, but nothing miraculous.


And its time to whack out a nice bicep workout and somehow lat workout at home, il do some raises and try some other stuff out lol

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original:Jane

I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


quote:


original:Jane

WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 2:48:15 PM   
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Well that 30 mins went quick LOL.

exercise 1:dumbell curl
33lbs x 10
33lbs x 10
33lbs x 8
33lbs x 8

exercise 2:Hammer curl (hammer time!)
33lbs x 10
45lbs x 10
45lbs x 8
45lbs x 8

exercise 3:Lateral raises
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10
15lbs x 10


Each exercise had 30 secs rest after each set

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original:Jane

I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


quote:


original:Jane

WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 7:14:52 PM   
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It is irritating when people change up everything, train like an animal and then also take a supplement and credit the supplement with their success!

But if the supplement did nothing they blame themselves! Smile

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 7:30:27 PM   
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Just to join in, the creatine mono I have purchased have definetely made no difference in strength I believe for me. I'm actually off it for 1 month now before I go back on. When I finish, I'm not purchasing anymore. I didn't gain any water weight whatsoever so I guess I'm one of those non-responders. 

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/5/2007 10:24:53 PM   
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quote:

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Just to join in, the creatine mono I have purchased have definetely made no difference in strength I believe for me. I'm actually off it for 1 month now before I go back on. When I finish, I'm not purchasing anymore. I didn't gain any water weight whatsoever so I guess I'm one of those non-responders. 


Mostly what it does is slowly raise the level of stored creatine phosphate(CP), free and in muscle.

It does not increase muscle or strength...so you should not expect it too.

If you eat lots of beef, you may already be loaded with it.

Conversley...your response does relate to CP load and to type II glycolytic muscle...if you have a smaller ratio of type II glycolytic muscle...then you naturally store less CP.

Most people bloat from the garbage IN the creatine, not from, the creatine itself.

Though there can be 3-10 pounds of added water in muscle as CP stores water with it in muscle.

However, creatine is systemic..and takes 6 weeks to (gradually) return to pre-supplementing levels!!!

So even after a month, your levels may be elevated!!  Wait another month...then start taking it and see if you experience the ability to have shorter between-set rests...which is pretty much what you can expect from creatine.

Which is where the myth that it makes you stronger comes from..people recover faster from a lift and can "lift more."

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/6/2007 12:00:27 AM   
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Are you saying to wait 1month? I'm plannin to wait till the end of Feb which will be my 1 month.

But anyways about the rest times, I'm not worried about as I'm currently on a low-rep based program so I take around on average 3 minute rest times.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/6/2007 12:08:15 AM   
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quote:

Are you saying to wait 1month?

Try waiting until the end of march.

True, your current training would not take full advantage of the primary benefit of creatine....it has all sorts of secondary benefits....

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/6/2007 2:59:15 AM   
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haha okay dan, il make a deal with you, il start tribulus when i hit a nasty plateu ok? Then we can see how good it does and in the meantime i can simply bash out old fashioned sweat and work instead of pill popping for results LOL.

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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


quote:


original:Jane

WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/6/2007 10:29:01 AM   
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Smile

I Like that! 
I always like to get a baseline with a new aproach.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/7/2007 2:07:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: danmirage

quote:

Are you saying to wait 1month?

Try waiting until the end of march.

True, your current training would not take full advantage of the primary benefit of creatine....it has all sorts of secondary benefits....


Sorry twisted for making your training forum into a chat, but I promise this won't continue for much more....... ;)

dan, I'll wait till March then. Could you tell me what "secondary" benefits it offers?

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/7/2007 10:14:32 AM   
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You asked for it...

To underscore this point about the effectiveness of creatine monohydrate, a team of independent scientists, headed by Ira Wolinsky, Ph.D., of the University of Houston, and Judy Driskell, Ph.D., R.D., of the University of Nebraska, and other top sports scientists reviewed the creatine research and concluded the following about the effectiveness of creatine monohydrate:
  • Promotes greater gains in increasing FFM (Fat Free Mass, which includes muscle mass).
  • Increases muscle fiber size; hypertrophy.
  • Increases muscle mass.
  • Increases myosin.
  • Improves maximal strength.
  • Improves maximal power.
  • Improves single-effort sprint performance.
  • Improves worked performed during repetitive sprint performance.
  • Improving performance during exercise of high to maximal intensity.
Summary of Beneficial Effects of Creatine Monohydrate Supplementation
This includes a summary of the major conclusions about how creatine monohydrate supplementation improves body composition, physiology, physical performance and athletic performance. 

Body Composition and Physiology Related Improvements 
  • Promotes greater gains in increasing FFM (Fat Free Mass, which includes muscle mass).
  • Increases muscle fiber size (hypertrophy).
  • Increases muscle mass.
  • Increases myosin muscle fiber content.
  • Improves strength training adaptations.
  • Improves limb blood flow.
  • Reduced ammonia levels.
  • Reduced lactate levels.
  • Raises lactate threshold.
  • Reduces cholesterol levels.
  • Reduces homocysteine levels.
Benefits have been measured in men and women; young and old (teenagers to over 70 years of age); inactive, active and athletic individuals.

Athletic Performance Related Improvements
  • Improves rate of training induced gains.
  • Improves maximal strength and power about 15%.
  • Improves work performed during maximal effort muscle contractions about 15%.
  • Improves anaerobic power.
  • Improves single-effort sprint performance about 5%.
  • Improves multiple sprint performance.
  • Improves worked performed during repetitive sprint performance about 15%.
  • Improves performance during exercise of high to maximal intensity.
  • Increased number of weightlifting repetitions.
  • Increased number of weightlifting sets.
  • Greater gains in vertical jump height and power.
  • Increased 1 repetition maximum.
  • Increased peak force.
  • Increased peak power.
  • Reduction of athletic injury rates, such as: reduced muscle cramping, reduced dehydration, reduced muscle tightness, reduced muscle pulls, reduced muscle strains, reduced joint injuries, reduced contact injuries, reduced illness, reduced number of missed practices, and reduction in total injuries during the season.
Sports Specific Athletic Performance Improvements 
Reported In Research Studies:
  • Bodybuilding
  • Football
  • Handball / Squash
  • Hockey
  • Military Performance
  • Powerlifting
  • Softball / Baseball
  • Soccer
  • Sprint running
  • Sprint cycling
  • Sprint rowing
  • Weightlifting
  • Wrestling


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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/8/2007 2:53:35 PM   
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lol that's okay vdk.

I didnt workout wednesday as the gym was still doing up equipment, and today didnt go well at all as ive come down with some nasty ass flu that knocked me out, and stopped me from being able to walk without holding onto a wall for support for a few hours, im feeling a tad better now though after taking a triple dose of paracetemol Smile

And to think i was gonna do legs today haha!

The new gym equipment is ok, unfortunately deadlifting and squatting has become near impossible, they have no power cage anymore, only a smith machine, which is a ****, and is happening because of UK "health and safety" laws, in a nutshell, if it involves doing something-its dangerous Smile

Im down to 151lbs but thats definitely water and fat mass, i have lost TONNES of fat in just today as ive consumed 0 calories in the past 36 hours from feeling crappy.

Hopefully things should be back on track by monday.

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original:Jane

I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.


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original:Jane

WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.

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RE: The first and last successful weight gain journal - 2/8/2007 3:08:48 PM   
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quote:

ive come down with some nasty ass flu that knocked me out,

Take glutamine and BCAAs!

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Losing Fat
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