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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/26/2007 1:04:04 AM
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localoutoftowner
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Surprised they added Guarana in there with the Caffiene Anhydrous. Though Dan Mirage focuses on the negatives, there are benefits to supplementing with some of the above mentioned.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/26/2007 1:37:05 AM
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Well, not on all of them. I agree with some, but I think Tyrosine has benefits that could aid in such a product.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 12:34:22 AM
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Such as, enhancing mental focus?
What about Norepenephrine? sp?
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Keeping in mind that supplements are "the extra" and not "the answer."
I couldn't agree more.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 12:50:46 PM
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Here;s my question. Besides giving you added energy, how do these pills claim to burn fat? You also see a lot of claims of insane things like "Special Heat Churning liqui-caps" that make it sound like the liquid inside the pill LITERALLY enters your body and melts fat, literally.
I am interested in how a supplement can help burn fat. I mean if you think about it, muscle building supplements can genuinely claim to help burn fat, because in the long run all that added muscle will in fact burn fat! But is it going to do more harm than good for the average, non competitive BBr to take a "fat burning" supplement.
I'm talking about having a really good diet, with 500 sub maintenance calories daily TOPS and an ideal fat loss weight training routine. Basically my question is, how will a fat burning pill work if taken under the ideal circumstances- as in if you were training to burn fat without the use of a pill and were doing everything right, then added the pill as a true "supplement". Would the pill kick it up a notch and help you burn fat while, most importantly, sparing muscle? Or are these pills supposed to just really give anorexic people energy they lack due to insufficient food intake. I don't mean to take that word lightly, so I'll call them undereaters.
P.S. Should BCAAs be taken in higher amounts when in a cutting phase?
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 2:51:53 PM
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localoutoftowner
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Some of the marketing of Thermogenics are so silly. I wouldn't listen to a thing they say and do your own research to find out which is going to be best for you. Whether or not it's going to burn fat or muscle is up to your diet and training program. Also, I suggest higher levels of BCAA's during a cutting phase, before and after exercise, but I'd have to know how many you intake already. You can reach Toxic levels of Leucine, I believe.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 3:07:21 PM
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Right now pre workout is No Xplode. I do it for the energy boost and it's almost more mental than anything. It gets me pumped. Even the flavor of it. Other than that, it's actually kind of a hinderence because you can't eat for 2 hours before you take it, so theres a risk of going too long without eating. I wonder, can you eat after you take it, as in could I sip on something while working out? I suppose it all depends on my own tolerance.
So no BCAAs there. I have a scoop of protein PWO, and it has BCAAs in it. I'll start supping with BCAA powder but will make sure not to go overboard. Pretty much keep it to pre and post work out. I definitely won't need NO Xplode during the cutting phase.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 3:34:30 PM
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You can reach Toxic levels of Leucine, I believe
That would be very difficult. 
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P.S. Should BCAAs be taken in higher amounts when in a cutting phase?
Not higher amounts but necessary amounts.
15g EAA Pre and Post with (1/4 tsp per 40 pounds ideal weight) BCAA sipped during training would be the ideal
In short, there are a few supplemental mechanism for increasing the bodies fat burning potential.
- General stimulant (caffeine, etc makes you feel more enrgetic though it is NOT energy, it is adrenal stimulation)
- Enhance fat burning pathways at chemical level
- (Nervous) Systemic stimulant (ephedra)
- Thyroid stimulant
- Enhanced circulation/oxigenation/oxidation
- Decreased fat storage mechanisms (lower stress/hormone, lower absorption, lower storage potential)
- Increased muscle storage and activity
- Incresed (or decreased) hormone activity
To name a few.
Most of these you can accomplish through simple diet, rest, and progressive exercise.
This supplementation should be looked at as a tool that you use after the engine is running and tuned up, not before. You don't tune up an engine that is not running in the first place...you get it running right first.
Many of these have downsides that one should be forwarned of and prepared to address before embarking.
In almost every case, a general physical and honest discussinon with your physician can illuminate potential individual risk factors.
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Basically my question is, how will a fat burning pill work if taken under the ideal circumstances- as in if you were training to burn fat without the use of a pill and were doing everything right, then added the pill as a true "supplement". Would the pill kick it up a notch and help you burn fat while, most importantly, sparing muscle?
If you are training and eating appropriatly for your goal and losing 1/2 to 2 pounds a week, then why would you need a pill. To lose more than 2 pounds a week risks the loss of lean tissue and the crippling of the metabolism.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 3/27/2007 7:24:34 PM
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sweet dude. I'll definitely start taking BCAAs during workout. You have a good point on the pill as well. I'm thinking now that it might be best used by those prepping for a competition, not for the average BBr's needs.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 4/29/2007 8:30:43 PM
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I think your magic pill should be a sugar pill.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/15/2007 2:12:18 AM
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These are some magic pills for fat loss:
Ok, I cut my caloric intake down from 6,000cal/day to 4,200cal/day, I workout 2X/day with half of those workouts being 300 style cardio workouts, and I cycled off Cellmass, but the fat has melted off me like I can't believe.
Side effects are borderline unbearable though but nothing worth achieving is easy.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/15/2007 2:25:12 AM
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These are some magic pills for fat loss:
Ok, I cut my caloric intake down from 6,000cal/day to 4,200cal/day, I workout 2X/day with half of those workouts being 300 style cardio workouts, and I cycled off Cellmass, but the fat has melted off me like I can't believe.
Side effects are borderline unbearable though but nothing worth achieving is easy.
deadly, just wondering, you're on these pills for some quite time, how come you haven't been losing weight a lot ? It's still 294lbs, before, it was like 300 something. I thought, when you're on thermogenic, you'll be losing fast, considering the fact that you're an ectomorph if I'm right.
Is it because of the muscle gains also ? I realized that your max numbers haven't gone done, you didn't lose a tear of muscle huh?
Make sure you post your before and after in this site.
Must be inspiring!
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/15/2007 2:31:52 AM
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I just updated my profile. My maxes have stayed the same because I only do 1RM like once every 3-4 months because there's no point in it. I haven't lost any strength during my workouts though. This is only my 4th week on teh Hot-Rokz and I've dropped 12 pounds (some of it definitely water weight since I've cycled off Cellmass).
I've lost no muscle mass whatsoever.
I'm not gonna post any before pictures (I don't want anyone seeing me at anything less than my best), but I'll most likely post an after picture in a few weeks. I look bigger now at 290 then I did at 302.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/16/2007 12:25:16 PM
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you're on these pills for some quite time, how come you haven't been losing weight a lot ?
Losing weight is primarily a function of calories and training. The pill is just a stimulant.
Hot Rox is also banned by many sports organizations including natural bodybuilding groups because it contains a hormonal that effects production of thyroid T3.
What is it?
lauroyl macrology-32 glyceride's, filler to make water soluble ingredients more soluble
p-methylcarbonylethylphenol, - methylated, carbon and ethyl bound phenol , hocus pocus
3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one diethylcarbonate, - T3 effector, banned substance by many sports organizations
Carbolin 19 (forskolin 1,9-carbonate), - may increase heart rate though no clinical significant effects proven
piperine, - improves effectiveness of other compounds
yohimbine HCl - no clinical significant effects known
caffeine. stimulant
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/16/2007 8:13:10 PM
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deadlysuperstar
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quote:
ORIGINAL: danmirage
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you're on these pills for some quite time, how come you haven't been losing weight a lot ?
Losing weight is primarily a function of calories and training. The pill is just a stimulant.
Hot Rox is also banned by many sports organizations including natural bodybuilding groups because it contains a hormonal that effects production of thyroid T3.
What is it?
lauroyl macrology-32 glyceride's, filler to make water soluble ingredients more soluble
p-methylcarbonylethylphenol, - methylated, carbon and ethyl bound phenol , hocus pocus
3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one diethylcarbonate, - T3 effector, banned substance by many sports organizations
Carbolinâ„¢ 19 (forskolin 1,9-carbonate), - may increase heart rate though no clinical significant effects proven
piperine, - improves effectiveness of other compounds
yohimbine HCl - no clinical significant effects known
caffeine. stimulant
Thanks for explaining those ingredients. I was wondering what they were. There might not be many clinical results, but it definitely works for me. Every person who sees me tell me I'm shredded out of nowhere. I'm going in after 2 more weeks to get my bf% tested too.
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RE: Magic Pills for fat loss? - 5/16/2007 8:42:27 PM
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localoutoftowner
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I'm not sure why people keep adding Yohimbe to thermogenics. Gonna make all the BBers RANDY.
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