RE: Awesome Muscle Building Topic #24: BULKING Part II
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RE: Awesome Muscle Building Topic #24: BULKING Part II - 3/12/2008 8:28:43 PM
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danmirage
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D...the only things that is not progressing is how you are seeing it.
More carbs are one driving factor to gains, including muscle.
So if you increase your carbs, you increase your gains per calorie...so you can gain with fewer calories.
Your activity lever sees you resistance train 3x a week and then train every day with other training.
There is the trick. Lots of Cardio can burn muscle.
I know that you come from having more BF than you wanted. But you are in control of it now. You know how to lose BF.
Now you want to learn how to gain muscle optimally with your body.
As for BF...
Depends on the specific goal.
If you are at 160 15% (24 lbs BF) and want to be 160 and 10%, (16 lbs BF) then that is one thing.
If you are at 150 and 15% (22 lbs BF) and want 220 at 12% (26 pounds BF) that is entirely different.
The general answer is usually that you cycle, you do a leaning round whenever you feel you need to to shake things up.
You stay real. You are not going to gain optimally at 9% bodyfat without gaining some BF. Each body has a comfort point at which it likes to hold fat and lets you gain muscle optimally.
We control that point over time...by eating balanced and not starving the body very often. Using diet to drop fat and then eating balanced again...so the body acclimates to the new BF. Get it?
When you lean, you get to change the routine, the diet...then you take a week off and let things rest, and pick up again maybe at strength and then move into hypertrophy and mass again...
...wash...rinse...repeat....
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RE: Awesome Muscle Building Topic #24: BULKING Part II - 3/13/2008 11:57:20 AM
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David1991
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- so should i be expecting more muscle gain in the future if i stay consistent with my current diet/training (with progression)?
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ORIGINAL: danmirage
Each body has a comfort point at which it likes to hold fat and lets you gain muscle optimally.
We control that point over time...by eating balanced and not starving the body very often. Using diet to drop fat and then eating balanced again...so the body acclimates to the new BF. Get it?
does that basically mean that i might not gain optimally if i try to stay under 10% but if i stay there long enough my body will acllimate to it and i will be able to gain optimally at that level?
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RE: Awesome Muscle Building Topic #24: BULKING Part II - 3/15/2008 4:58:11 AM
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David1991
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Dan im sorry but i can't take this anymore
5 weeks ago i was getting horrible results and couldn't stand it. since then i've tried upping my carbs and lowering my protein like u said. ive been trying to ignore it and not think about it but ive been getting consistently worse. from 5 weeks ago ive gained 2.1 pounds of fat and lost 1.1lb. of muscle. i know ur an expert and what ur saying is working for u but something isn't right here. i mean my nutrition is perfect and training is hard and progressive, everything is in place. and i can't see a change to something like 40/40/20 being that much of a change either. i just have no idea whats wrong and i want to take ur advice because i know it works for u and i know u know what ur talking about but i feel horrible every time i look at or think about these results.
i like bodybuilding, but not when i just get worse at it every week. im not trying to make u some counselor or something that listens to my problems...but i seriously dont think i can stand more than another week or two of this. i would think even if i gained a lot of fat i would at least gain a lot of muscle with it too with the higher carbs....
sorry for ranting but i feel like crap right now....
edit: looking back at this i dont mean to sound so drama-queenish (for complete lack of a better word lol) but im hoping u can see where im coming from.
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RE: Awesome Muscle Building Topic #24: BULKING Part II - 4/13/2008 9:25:05 PM
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danmirage
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quote:
ORIGINAL: David1991
Dan im sorry but i can't take this anymore
5 weeks ago i was getting horrible results and couldn't stand it. since then i've tried upping my carbs and lowering my protein like u said. ive been trying to ignore it and not think about it but ive been getting consistently worse. from 5 weeks ago ive gained 2.1 pounds of fat and lost 1.1lb. of muscle. i know ur an expert and what ur saying is working for u but something isn't right here. i mean my nutrition is perfect and training is hard and progressive, everything is in place. and i can't see a change to something like 40/40/20 being that much of a change either. i just have no idea whats wrong and i want to take ur advice because i know it works for u and i know u know what ur talking about but i feel horrible every time i look at or think about these results.
i like bodybuilding, but not when i just get worse at it every week. im not trying to make u some counselor or something that listens to my problems...but i seriously dont think i can stand more than another week or two of this. i would think even if i gained a lot of fat i would at least gain a lot of muscle with it too with the higher carbs....
sorry for ranting but i feel like crap right now....
edit: looking back at this i dont mean to sound so drama-queenish (for complete lack of a better word lol) but im hoping u can see where im coming from.
I understand, sticking points are frustrating. You got stuck and were afraid to switch dramatically and change your body's responses. We all do that.
(P.S. It is not that this formula works for me, it has worked for thousands of clients trained by one group I worked with.)
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My journal:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_158705/mpage_2/tm.htm
Primers:
Gaining Mass
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111173/mpage_1/tm.htm
Losing Fat
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_111175/mpage_1/tm.htm
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