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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 4:38:57 PM
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johnnyb1635
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Correct me if im wrong but this looks like superdrol, halodrol, and phera phlex..... Vaughn is 100% true about this stuff, you'll put on some pretty insane muscle, but your taking 3 methylated Prohormones at once, thats not good at all. If your taking more than one methylated compound your doing something wrong in my opinion. If you do have your heart set on taking it and not a thing we say will change your mind, make sure you are taking some very good liver support.
If your pct doesnt have milk thistle at over 2000 mg a day, hawthorne berry extract at over 2000 mg a day, Coq-10 at over 100 mg a day, Red Yeast Rice extract at over 1600 mg a day, NAC at over 1000 mg a day, Nolvadex at about 30 mg a day, maybe clomid with the nolva, and some form of ATD to boost your test levels, you are going to be in a world of trouble coming off this. Also, make sure you dont cycle this stuff for greater than 3 weeks, you may want to get some Proviron and take that before you start the sostonal 250 so that you can prevent the sides from happening. Since its got superdrol in it, and it doesnt tell you how much of each compound is in the pill, then you would probably want to get some taurine to help you with the backpumps that I can almost guaruntee you will get, and also with the lethargy you can expect using three methylated steroids basicly.
This is just my .02, good luck with what ever you decision is and stay safe.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:00:49 PM
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toolman4052
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What if I just take half the recommended dose for three weeks and stay away from it for good then? (And I still take the milk thistle during and after use as well as nolvadex for pct)
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:04:53 PM
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there's no way to avoid abusing the hell out of your liver. it doesn't matter if your 15, 20, 25, 100 years old....anything methylated is gonna take a nice fat shyt on your liver
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:08:26 PM
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toolman4052
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will the liver ever heal?
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:12:52 PM
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johnnyb1635
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Your liver cells do not replace themselves or heal, they are like brain cells, once they're gone, they're gone. Once you damage your liver, it stays damaged, there is no repairing it.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:17:19 PM
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toolman4052
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ok, another question. How does taking Sostonal 250 for 4 weeks compare to drinking as far as the amount of damage done to the liver.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 5:48:07 PM
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS STAYING AWAY FROM IT FOR GOOD AFTER YOU'VE TAKEN IT ONCE
the gains you'll recieve will be too convincing. now this is for the PH knowledgable members, doesnt it affect bone structure? A guy at my gym went on, gains are amazing but his face looks more structured, more square i guess. this true?
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 6:10:05 PM
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Well, to me there is such a thing. I only want to gain about 10 to 15 more, and I'm still considering not taking a cycle. (I don't wanna kill myself)
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 8:52:52 PM
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quote:
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Your liver cells do not replace themselves or heal, they are like brain cells, once they're gone, they're gone. Once you damage your liver, it stays damaged, there is no repairing it.
incorrect. the liver is the only self-healing organ. there are chances that your liver will completely get over everything you shove at it. BUT it could also cause some serious problems. As for how will it hurt yours more than a 25 year old, it won't. Youre just younger and stuff is still developing, so its not a good idea to mess with it. Test levels at 18 are so high that by making them go through the rough now, naturally producing test will become harder in the future. Trust me, 1 good cycle and you will want another. stay away from this...if you NEED a good PH, try halodrol by itself and stop this nonsense.
if you wanna be really safe, Test E 400mg/week 1-12
proper pct
*still not advocating steroid use, just trying to make a point.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/4/2006 9:37:47 PM
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Couple more questions for Vaughn:
1. What if I have low testosterone levels due to a veracose vein in my "region?"
2. What if I only do once cycle?
3. What are the actual serious problems (names of conditions or diseases etc)?
I don't wanna do steroids. I'm a Christian, and if it's illegal on earth, then it's a sin to me.
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Currently: 5'9.5", 190 lbs, 9% bf
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 6:38:13 AM
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I don't wanna do steroids. I'm a Christian, and if it's illegal on earth, then it's a sin to me.
separation of church and state my friend
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 7:38:25 AM
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Couple more questions for Vaughn:
1. What if I have low testosterone levels due to a veracose vein in my "region?"
2. What if I only do once cycle?
3. What are the actual serious problems (names of conditions or diseases etc)?
I don't wanna do steroids. I'm a Christian, and if it's illegal on earth, then it's a sin to me.
1. You dont get low test levels due to veracose veins near your groin...at least as far as I know. I have never once read/heard/seen any study that would relate vascularity of veins/veracose veins to low testosterone. I would think that they might POSSIBLY effect estrogen, but I still highly doubt that.
2. If you only do 1 cycle, chances are, youll be a-ok with proper pct. But...the odds of you doing it perfect at age 18 are slim to none.
3. Ive given you side effects already, thats all you need...if you want exacts, go check out google.com
4. Ok, lets not even get into religion here, thats just one huge can or worms. BUTTT because i cant help myself...
Have you ever driven over 65mph?
Ever crossed a street at a non crossing point?
If so...you're living in carnal sin my friend.
and...lets think about this LOGICALLY and not just "well the bible says..."
You're alive in 1969, go to woodstock and smoke some weed. It's all perfectly legal(I don't know if it was legal in 1969, but if it was illegal, substitute a legal year... ie 400BC i assume? lol), so you're not living in sin, and G-d doesn't punish you. Fastforward to 2006 and you smoke a joint, since some republican/democrat who is the most corrupt/unG-dly person you know has decided it should become illegal, you then think if you use weed again,; G-d will care??
G-d has his own set rules. Humans don't influence those.
seriously...no one start going crazy with this post. religion gets us NOWHERE on this site.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 11:29:19 AM
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toolman4052
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Well, my doc told me the reason that my test levels were low was due to a veracose vein because it is attached to one of my two things down there, and as a result of it being there, it slows that one's test production by a lot. And yes, I have sinned, but I really try not to. That would be just really bad (to me) to be constantly sinning for 6 weeks, knowing that I was going to do it again. Are we not supposed to talk about religion on here? I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, honestly. I was just saying that's one of my main reasons for not taking illegal steroids.
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Currently: 5'9.5", 190 lbs, 9% bf
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 11:56:33 AM
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Oh, and is there usually any "roid rage" from PH's? I'm not claiming that I have it, I was just wondering if I can expect it or not.
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Currently: 5'9.5", 190 lbs, 9% bf
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 12:48:28 PM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: johnnyb1635
Your liver cells do not replace themselves or heal, they are like brain cells, once they're gone, they're gone. Once you damage your liver, it stays damaged, there is no repairing it.
incorrect. the liver is the only self-healing organ. there are chances that your liver will completely get over everything you shove at it. BUT it could also cause some serious problems. As for how will it hurt yours more than a 25 year old, it won't. Youre just younger and stuff is still developing, so its not a good idea to mess with it. Test levels at 18 are so high that by making them go through the rough now, naturally producing test will become harder in the future. Trust me, 1 good cycle and you will want another. stay away from this...if you NEED a good PH, try halodrol by itself and stop this nonsense.
if you wanna be really safe, Test E 400mg/week 1-12
proper pct
*still not advocating steroid use, just trying to make a point.
Thank you for making me aware of that vaughn, i had no idea your liver repaired itself. I was told by my Aunt, an O.R. nurse of 20 years, that it does not repair itself.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 1:46:25 PM
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im 100% sure it does. even the ancient greeks has a myth about someone who was tied up, and vultures came and bit his liver every day...yet every day it "regrew" and the vultures fed again(kinda gruesome eh??)
toolman, while I understand what you're saying, and i am pretty religious myself. But think about what G-d would prefer...you to break the law, or you to remain healthy?
plain and simple...if you wanna do PH's, go for it man! just wait 2 years.
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 1:51:22 PM
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i agree w/ vaughn, my cousin had liver problems from birth and all they needed to do to fix is take a lil piece of my uncles liver and transplaant it and it would regenerate the rest of itself for him and the her.
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 2:45:27 PM
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But Vaughn, the prohormone I have isn't illegal. I mean, I bought it at a local store, so I wouldn't think it's illegal. And, do they cause rage or not?
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Currently: 5'9.5", 190 lbs, 9% bf
DBB Competition Goal: 5'9.5" 195-200 7% bf
Ultimate Goal: 5'9.5" 200 lbs. 8% bf
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 4:37:07 PM
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pro hormones are steroids in their own right. the only difference between any "legal" PH and Deca or any other AAS is that PH's are 1 step away from testosterone and therefore they do this conversion in the body, a process that is very damaging if its methylated, which almost all oral PH's are and usually all that differenciates them from the real AAS is an extra carbon on the chain (a methyl group).
therefore, yes, you will get roid rage. how bad really depends on your body but it will happen. i mean shyt, i get rage when im on test boosters lol. you'll get rage, acne, probably back pumps (painful), water retention....the works. im not saying PH's are terrible but for someone who is 2-3 years from fully maturing, it can cause devastating long term effects to your body. it would be a much safer idea IMO to hold off for now n start fukkin with PH's when you're a little older, more mature.
just my two cents
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RE: Sostonal 250 - 11/5/2006 6:27:20 PM
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pro hormones are steroids in their own right. the only difference between any "legal" PH and Deca or any other AAS is that PH's are 1 step away from testosterone and therefore they do this conversion in the body, a process that is very damaging if its methylated, which almost all oral PH's are and usually all that differenciates them from the real AAS is an extra carbon on the chain (a methyl group).
therefore, yes, you will get roid rage. how bad really depends on your body but it will happen. i mean shyt, i get rage when im on test boosters lol. you'll get rage, acne, probably back pumps (painful), water retention....the works. im not saying PH's are terrible but for someone who is 2-3 years from fully maturing, it can cause devastating long term effects to your body. it would be a much safer idea IMO to hold off for now n start fukkin with PH's when you're a little older, more mature.
just my two cents
romeo...come on bro, i thought you were better than this nonsense.
First of all, it has been widely accepted that prohormones and designer steroids are in FACT steroids. Everyone remember "The Man Who's Arms Exploded"? He wrote an article for Muscular Development stating that Halodrol-50 was without a doubt better than any oral steroid he had taken.
Second off on my rant...I can almost guarentee that unless you succumb to the placebo effect, you will not experience "roid rage". "Roid Rage" is supposedly found in about 5-10% of users, and the vast majority of that group has a past history of mental illness, depression, or anger issues.
Third and final...toolman, you weigh 171lbs at 5'9. You are a skeleton when it comes to bodybuilding. You can EASILY put on those 10-15lbs naturally in the next few months. Get your diet right...then lets talk.
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Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
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Now
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Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
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