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arnold press, pec flyes, and upright rows on this list of shame ??????
 
should be a very helpful post for alot of people nice one mate !
 
I asked you about your opinion on densityin in another thread did you ever get back to me on it ?
 
 
 
 

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I dunno, sounds like Scourge_of_God was on a testosterone rampage.

The routine will work for anyone for awhile, but not forever.

And his list of shame should be retitled list of shame for mass building.

I guess the principles are ok, but his attitude is a big turn off.  What are his credentials besides being big?

"If there's nothing else that's relevant, I'll be leaving now"

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground"

hmmm, i do No.1, 2 and 8 on the first list, and my list of shame is No.s 1,7 and 8.
 
Arnold presses rock man, ive got heavier than ive ever been in my life on my workouts.
Ive gained 20lbs nearly in the last 6 months, which sounds little, but im severely ecto and cant add much easily.
Any routine will work to some degree, as it is still using the muscle, but like G said, it wont last forever.
 
Good post overall as some of the exercises i would agree are in general useless for really big mass building but...meh

It's impossible to meddle with something that doesn't have a plan

More than one bicep exercise

 
What the? Who doesn't have more then one?

''But as I looked at everything I had worked so hard to accomplish, it was all so meaningless—like chasing the wind. There was nothing really worthwhile anywhere.''

Ecclesiastes 2:11

ORIGINAL: AdamScott

More than one bicep exercise

What the? Who doesn't have more then one?

 
AdamScott:
 
You wouldn't want to add more volume to your bicep work because they are a small muscle and are worked so hard whenever you work back, doing number of exercises of bicep work is counterproductive and leads bicep no were. That's why alot guys don't get there biceps anywhere due to overtraining them.  Don't forget that your  biceps get hammered when you deadlift, chin, and row.

Most of the information i just saw the basics for bulking and strength... I dont agree with the Bi's Id rather listen to MR universe then some joker off the internet. Mr universe says train all parts of the bi's with wide grip inner grip and close grip. The Bi's are small but also contain even smaller muscles within them. For peak width and the cuts on the side you need to work every area of the bi. All that i have heard is dont do concentrated training on the BI's more then once a week.

Id say listen to some of this information is very informative... But some is garbage and you might want to find a better source. Id rather watch the video's of the pro's tips and tricks.

and if your bi's are getting hammerd during your back routine's like lat pulls and rows then your not squeezing using your lats properly.. If your doing a row that is to far side ways with the elbow up your not working back, your working your side and rear deltoid according once again to mr universe and your improperly training your back. Deadlifts you are not hitting your bi's hardly at all maybe your forearms a bit but certainly not your bi's. im going to have to disagree with you this time purenatural.

ORIGINAL: Richie1888

arnold press, pec flyes, and upright rows on this list of shame ??????

should be a very helpful post for alot of people nice one mate !

I asked you about your opinion on densityin in another thread did you ever get back to me on it ?

Richie1888:

There are other productive exercises to get your shoulders growing then arnold presses or upright rows such military presses, benches presses, squats, deads, rows, chins that get your shoulders growing. Show me a guy if he can add 100-200 pounds on arnold presses or upright rows  and show me guy who adds 100-200 lbs on his rows, military presses,deads, squats and then tell me which is more superior for shoulders.

As for pec flyes, they come no where near bench presses. I see people complaining about there inner pec, out pec nonsense and then rely on flies. Show me a guy who increases his flies from 50lbs to 120 lbs. And show me a guy who adds 100-200 lbs on bench. Then tell me which is superior.

Towards your denisty question, my bad I've missed out I just did a search on it. I didn't quite understand what is it you wanted my opinion on towards density. Did you want my opinion on muscle mass? To build muscle mass I think anyone who starts there career should start off with compound work and use it to build their body to fullest potential.

If I missed out on anything let me know.

ORIGINAL: acevcali

Most of the information i just saw the basics for bulking and strength... I dont agree with the Bi's Id rather listen to MR universe then some joker off the internet. Mr universe says train all parts of the bi's with wide grip inner grip and close grip. The Bi's are small but also contain even smaller muscles within them. For peak width and the cuts on the side you need to work every area of the bi. All that i have heard is dont do concentrated training on the BI's more then once a week.

Id say listen to some of this information is very informative... But some is garbage and you might want to find a better source. Id rather watch the video's of the pro's tips and tricks.

Peaks can't be created for natural bodybuilder, it's only genetic. You can make it look like you have peak by having bigger biceps. For "cuts" or shaping a muscle it's more depend on diet and cardio and your genetics that follow.
 
Towards deadlifts, your bi's do get hammered. And just because you don't feel you're working them doesn't mean they aren't getting worked at all.

im sorry i ment the length of the bicep to the forarm. The top strand only achieved by doing concentrated shoulder width curlse. Wide grip curls achieve the width of the bicep. close grip work the outside of the bicep i cant remember what its called but its the lump that sticks outside ways on the outer end of your bicep, but i do know its only achieved by close grip curls.

Guys, all this information is geared towards those that have either just started their career or those that have made little or suboptimal gains and struggling to get themselves some where.
 
 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fitshow32.htm <-- iv posted this before but this is training for the biceps, you should watch it.

ORIGINAL: acevcali

im sorry i ment the length of the bicep to the forarm. The top strand only achieved by doing concentrated shoulder width curlse. Wide grip curls achieve the width of the bicep. close grip work the outside of the bicep i cant remember what its called but its the lump that sticks outside ways on the outer end of your bicep, but i do know its only achieved by close grip curls.

acevcali:

Sorry bud, but there no such thing as shaping exercises that work the width,hieght, length ect ect for your muscles. Your biceps or muscles only either grow one way according to your genetics or it get's smaller.

ORIGINAL: gzinkl

I dunno, sounds like Scourge_of_God was on a testosterone rampage.

The routine will work for anyone for awhile, but not forever.

And his list of shame should be retitled list of shame for mass building.

I guess the principles are ok, but his attitude is a big turn off.  What are his credentials besides being big?

 
gzinkl:
 
I'm positive that was just an example. Neverthless you don't stick on a routine forever anyone who does that is ofcourse going to findthemselves no where. You need to swtich every now and then ofcourse with the same concepts. But all this advice is geared towards those that have made little or no gains. Considering beginners