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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 2:30:52 PM
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RomeoCiaffoneo
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side note:
im sure if you ask current or past steroids still enjoying their youth, many of those (who know what they are doing and cycled correctly and took proper precautions) will tell you steroids are worth it. what you wont find is a 40-50 year old ex-steroid user to tell you that steroids are great. i'll almost garauntee it.
hope that helped.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/26/2006 9:55:09 PM
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please site a study...
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/28/2006 12:40:45 PM
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Marc David
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Only study I need to see about Roids/Drugs/Hardcore bodybuilding....
Tom Prince's Career
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/28/2006 12:46:19 PM
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Marc David
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The bottom line is: Science proves the serious risks of steroid use.
References
1. National Institute on Drug Abuse. NIDA Research Report—Steroid Abuse and Addiction
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/
AnabolicSteroids.html). NIH Pub. No. 00—3721. Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Printed 1991. Reprinted 1994, 1996. Revised April, 2000.
2. National Institute on Drug Abuse. Commonly Abused Drugs Chart
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/DrugPages/DrugsofAbuse.html). Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS, 2000.
3. National Institute on Drug Abuse. NIDA InfoFacts: Steroids (Anabolic-Androgenic)
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofax/steroids.html). Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Retrieved June 2000.
4. National Institute on Drug Abuse. NIDA InfoFacts: High School and Youth Trends
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/Infofax/HSYouthtrends.html). Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Retrieved June 2003.
5. National Institute on Drug Abuse. Mind Over Matter: The Brain's Response to Steroids
(http://teens.drugabuse.gov/mom/mom_ster1.asp). NIH Pub. No. 00—3858. Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Printed 1997. Reprinted 1998, 2000.
6. National Institute on Drug Abuse. Mind Over Matter: The Brain's Response to Drugs Teacher's Guide
(http://teens.drugabuse.gov/mom/tg_intro.asp). NIH Pub. No. 020—3592. Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Printed 1997. Reprinted 1998, 2002. Revised 2000.
7. Pope, H.G., Jr.; Kouri, E.M.; and Hudson, J.I. Effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on mood and aggression in normal men: A randomized controlled trial. Archives of General Psychiatry 57(2):133-140, 2000.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/28/2006 6:27:13 PM
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Cawchy
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first off, the doctor said it would hurt his liver years down the road. As you can see, there is a plethora of creatine based studies to prove that with ample hydration, it is not harmful in the long/short term, and actually beneficial.
Please provide said studies for CEE which is in no-xplode.
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2nd of all, you stated that NO-xplode would "be as bad as steroids". Can you or your doctor tell me how bad steroids are? No...you can't. There has never been ONE long term study on steroid use. It has been shown that steroids(injectable) can have effects on good/bad cholesterol, yet they have no true effect on your liver. The only time you liver would come into play was if you were taking some sort of oral steroid/pro-hormone.
True there has never been a long term study on Steroids... that’s because they are ILLEGAL!
No true effect on liver? Did you even look for a study?
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It is recommended also to consider possible use of AASs when consulted by a patient with unexplained symptoms of cardiovascular disease, psychological or sexual dysfunction, gynaecomastia or liver dysfunction.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16999915&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
No other side effects?
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Other adverse effects include hypertension and atherosclerosis, blood clotting, jaundice, hepatic neoplasms and carcinoma, tendon damage, psychiatric and behavioral disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16005168&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
A test of six-bodybuilders who voluntarily took Anabolic steroids.
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Abnormal liver function tests were seen in three of the six subjects, and one had mild diabetes with high serum cholesterol, triglycerides and uric acid.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=606318&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_DocSum
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ps...if you just trust your doctor without EVER getting info from other people, you are an ignorant misinformed person. Questioning authority is what keeps our country continually growing and expanding. If we always believed doctors/scientists, the world would still be flat and the sun revolving around us!!! Grow some brains and more importantly some balls and learn to stand up for what you're doing.
First, Doctors have 9 years of formal training on the body. Plus have read countless journals to keep their knowledge up to speed. Why the hell would you would take some random person's advice you saw on the internet over your doctor's?
True, you should not take your doctor's advice as scripture. But making your own assumptions about supplements with no knowledge of how the human body works, and ignoring your doctor is just stupid.
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orignal: VaughnTrue If we always believed doctors/scientists, the world would still be flat and the sun revolving around us!!!
Galileo was a scientist. Doctors didn't suppress his idea, the catholic church did. If the catholic church told you not to take a supplement then this might be a good analogy. But the way you said it makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 9/28/2006 7:42:49 PM
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Marc David
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Naw.. it's cool VaughnTrue. 
Here's what Dave Draper has to say about it.
"The risks involved with using anabolic and androgenic steroids do not stop with acne or hair loss. If you're a committed bodybuilder and enjoy an essence of independence in your life, you can surely plan to lose it. Steroids are insidious, and commonly cause psychological as well as physiological addiction. When you're on a chemical cycle, the weights go up easier, your muscles pump and so does your ego and enthusiasm. But when off the chemical cycle, and as the body normalized, the reverse inevitably takes place. The lifter is left with depression and a hopelessness which often leads to radical social behavior and the cessation of training entirely. This is a very sad and unhealthy situation indeed, and silently plagues many young bodybuilders today." - Dave Draper
Source: http://www.davedraper.com/steroids.html
Possibly the most important point about any type of thinking along this line is that even if you take them under supervision and the best stuff on earth, regulated and correctly..
You will be addicted to being big.
And that creates a problem.
Please fine me one male on this forum that would be totally happy at 150 lbs after being 250 lbs ripped and shredded beyond belief.
Being big like that is addicting and I doubt many people would ever quit until such a time as they make a life and death choice or they die or go broke.
"Young bodybuilders, if you're not taking them, don't. If you do, you'll wish you never did. They'll eat away at the foundations you're trying to build before you build them. As a pro, well, the weight's on your back and you know where the rack is." - Dave Draper
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 10/1/2006 8:06:07 AM
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Avaric3
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ORIGINAL: VaughnTrue
2nd of all, you stated that NO-xplode would "be as bad as steroids". Can you or your doctor tell me how bad steroids are? No...you can't. There has never been ONE long term study on steroid use. It has been shown that steroids(injectable) can have effects on good/bad cholesterol, yet they have no true effect on your liver. The only time you liver would come into play was if you were taking some sort of oral steroid/pro-hormone.
True there has never been a long term study on Steroids... that’s because they are ILLEGAL!
No true effect on liver? Did you even look for a study?
hes right, injections arent filtered threough the liver, only things taken orally get filtered through the liver. also the liver is the only self-healing organ in the body, so i wouldnt be worried about the liver, id be worried about other things.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 10/1/2006 9:54:12 AM
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dacripplah
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so sorry did we find out weither or not n.o-xplode is bad for u lol i would REALLY like to find out, i take it as it says and drink water religuously and if the cite administrator guy who posted earlier could answer this i would rly rly appreciate it:D thanx
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 10/1/2006 10:03:22 AM
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durandalinfinity
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Save if you're caffeine sensitive No-Xplode I would say No-Xplode is fine for you. No worse then downing 2 cups of coffee.
Infact I really can;t find one downside to increased nitric oxide production, the heart, and the junk seem to benefit greatly from it.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 10/1/2006 2:58:53 PM
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psalms_soldier
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In conclusion lol.....No-X is completely safe.
The only bad thing ive ever exp. from when i used it was when i was still feeling the effects of other stimulants sumtimes my HR would be to high from all the stimulants for me to get a good workout in.
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RE: NO Explode Is Terrible For You - 10/1/2006 7:05:52 PM
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Imanerd
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I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news here guys, but we're all going to die, some sooner than others i suppose. I just performed a small literature review (try using google scholar or Entrez PubMed) and i haven't seen anything terrible about NO supplementation. In fact, L-arginine, which is the primary AA in all NO supplements, is used very frequently for a number of medical problems. Interestingly, there is even a study which shows NO supplementation can help lower cholesterol. I didn't perform a comprehensive review by any means, but the key thing here is, the information is out there, just look. And be smart. Don't take a supplement company's word for anything. Any site advertising their supplements, is slanting the info they're giving you. Also, remember, everything in moderation. Even water can do bad things to people, such as hyponatremia.
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