AN ALTERNATIVE TO METHYL-D?

So the reason why methyl-d is legal is because it basically contains DHEA and some anti-estrogen blocker.
 
So i can buy DHEA from my drug store for a whole lot cheaper, but where do i get a legal anti-estrogen supplement?
 
Has anyone tried methyl-d?  Do you experience the same side effects like steroids or pro-hormones?  Do your balls shrink?  How do i cycle it? thanks for ur help guys

im on methyl 1-d and methyl 1-alpha now. Methyl 1-d is a VERY mild prohormone that is non-methylated and does littlemore than a test booster would do(in my opinion). You should take M1-d for 4-6 weeks, include pct, and start again in 8 weeks if you so choose

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

what is pct? and i really dont understand the concept of cycling.  Why do you have to cycle pro-hormones?
 
Im trying to stack up on leucine which has anabolic effects like pro-hormone but w/o any side effects, its just thats too expensive. LEUKIC and LEUKIX basically rape my wallet.  Im trying to stack up on just plane leucine (not the powder form).  So i am trying to create this anabolic stack:
 
NON-PROHORMONE
L-LEUCINE
ANATOR P70
PROHORMONE LIKISH
DHEA
Tribulus
some sort of anti-estrogen
 
If i combine the non-prohormone with the pro-hormonish like stack, i think i would have a pretty powerful anabolic stack which is completley legal with the lowest possible side effects.
 
What do you guys think?
 
 

how old are you?

you have to cycle prohormones in order to give your body a chance to create its own testosterone again, and give your liver a break from all the toxins.

Leucine and its "anabolic effects" has NOTHING to do with what a prohormone does or how it is considered "anabolic". Leucine helps you stay in an anabolic STATE...prohormones actually increase your testosterone many times over.

Your "Prohormone Like" stack is NOTHING at all similar to what a prohormone is, sorry to break it to you. While this may be the case, it is still a very potent stack and I think you'd notice some amazing gains with that stack!

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

what is pct?

ORIGINAL: Buffwannabe

what is pct?

if you have to ask that, prohormones arent for you

IM BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER!!!!!

ORIGINAL: redtailshark2000

what is pct?

Post Cycle Therapy

I just turned 25.  Its really pissing me off that i see all these young guys (18-23) taking pro-hormones like chewable candy and making significant gains (eventhough now its illegal), while i am trying to do everything right (eating right, proper supplements, rest) and making slower gains.  I do everything the MAX-OT way, and i increase my wieght an average of 2.5-5 pounds every week.  I am at 145 right now, but i want to be around 170-180 within 2 years (which is a realistic expectation)
 
I really think i may have some sort of distorted mental view on pro-hormones.  I still think taking pro-hormones, or even DHEA or tribulus is almost like taking steroids.  There are a lot of guys who are totally irresponsible on using steroids, but there are many who know how to use it properly, get regular check ups, and are fully responsible for their health.  For that, I DO HAVE RESPECT FOR, and thats what I want to do.
 
So taking DHEA + anti-estrogen + tribulus is a good starting point along with a good creatine supplement like kre-alkalyn and GLUTAMINE (100% bioavailable glutamine sr by mhp) which indirectly increases growth hormone levels along with protien
 
I guess i should look more into cycling, dosing, and post-cycling stuff.  Also, while its important to see your physician for advice on what you are doing, most physicians dont have a clue because they are not really aware of those types of supplements, nor do they have a proper foundation on nutrition and health themselves.  Sure they know all this scientific knowledge, but in all practically they are not healthy themselves.  Some physicians are too skinny, MANY are on borderline overwieght and obese.  I guess the only thing they are good for is complete blood work.

ok...first off, you're gaining 2.5-5lbs a week??? and you're not happy??? are you insane man? I would KILL for that...as would most people.

You need to do more research into what exactly a prohormone is. It isnt something like dhea/tribulus that increases your own testosterone. Prohormones ARE the testosterone, and since they supply your body with that chemical, your body will most likely stop producing it's own. This is not the case by taking any of the afformentioned suppliments.

"poena est vires in dissimulo"

Start
Height : 6'
Weight : 258lbs
Waist : 38"
Bicep : 16"
Neck : 20"

Now
Height : 6'
Weight : 200
Waist : 32"
Bicep : 17.25
Neck : 19"
BF% - 7.4%

No i dont gain 2.5 pounds to 5 pounds in bodywieght, I ADD 2.5 to 5 lbs to each one of my excersise routines.  Like lets say i do bench press and i do 130lbs.  I do it the max-ot way, and then next week i add about 2.5-5.0lbs to bench press.  Sorry if i wrote it the wrong way

If i can gain some serious ACCELERATED gains safely and responsibly w/o having some stigma attached to what i am doing, then i will be a happy person.  But like you said Vaughntrue, im not really taking pro-hormones? DHEA + tribulus + some anti estrogen is not really pro-hormone at all.
But i still need to do it safely and cautiously.  I remember some time ago, some moron posted on all the side effects he had using tribulus, and they were very similar to irresponsible steroid uses.  Thats why i need more advice on this stack.
 
How do you guys recommend I cycle and dose the DHEA and tribulus stack?
 

How long have you been doing max-OT.... it may be time to switch up your routine.... Just some food for thought.
-Nic  

Im on my 8th week (from the 12 week program).  I may need to adjust what days i do certain body parts, but i see no real need to change from 1 bodybuilding style to another.  This suits me perfectly.

dude, before u start trying to dive into PH's which DO in fact cause detrimental side effects and ARE more dangerous than injectable steroids because they are methylated and stress the liver, i would strongly consider looking at your diet because i know that i trained for a while without any significant gains even tho i was on all kinds of supplements (no serious shyt tho like ph's).  anyways, it wasnt until i discovered proper nutrition and got serious about it that i made gains.
 
 
in the last 10 months from proper nutrtion/training habits i have gone from 165 to 185lbs without any noticeable increase in body fat and i'm currently on no supplements aside from creatine and protein (both casein and whey)
 
 
 
 
 
also, research steroids and ph's  because you cycle them the same way and have generally the same effects.  your balls shrink because your body shuts down its natural test production.......and u have to worry about sides like ****tits...
 
 
anyways, not saying not to take it, just research it THOROUGHLY before buying it....and type in "superdrol for dummies" on google, a link should come up with a complete guide to taking superdrol/other oral ph's
 
 
 
 
hope this helps, peace

Thanks Romeo, your advice makes a lot of sense.  I still need to work on my diet.  Eating 5-6 meals for me is still pretty hard for me.  I dont get hungry that often, and its very difficuilt to determine which is the right food that gives u the right amount of protien and carbs.  The other difficuilt part is, how do you make that stuff taste good?  Sure oatmeal is good for you, but it tastes like cardboard.  I love pasta, so i have substituted plain pasta to whole grain egg pasta.  Contains tons of protien, complex carbs, and fiber.  I will continue to adjust my diet and try to eat more healthy foods.  On the good side, i dont drink pop anymore (too much HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP)