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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 11:23:43 AM
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GyM RaT
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i got a sample at gnc, and yes i took it with evrything else. never got the same rush again
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 3:07:58 PM
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Thanks for all the advice (special thanks to dan for other ways to boost besides the herbs). Ive been training pretty much as hard I can, so I just wanted to make sure that I wasnt being held back. So the only thing I really need to worry about is the trib not doing anything right? there shouldnt be any severe problems from taking an herb?
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 3:17:44 PM
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Stillseeingreen
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Also dan, what did you mean by good fats? and what are some good lean meats. AND... that training twice a day sounds interesting, is there anything else i should know about that? AND you said something about cardio, will that hurt my mass gaining? thanks again.
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 3:45:02 PM
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Thanks for all the advice (special thanks to dan for other ways to boost besides the herbs). Ive been training pretty much as hard I can, so I just wanted to make sure that I wasnt being held back. So the only thing I really need to worry about is the trib not doing anything right? there shouldnt be any severe problems from taking an herb?
The best designed and most recent human study compared the effects of tribulus (3.21 mg per kilogram of body weight for example, 292 mg daily for a 200-lb man) against placebo (fake treatment) on body composition and endurance among 15 men engaged in resistance training. At the end of the 8-week study, the only significant difference between the treatment and placebo groups was that the placebo group showed greater gains in endurance!
Antonio J, Uelmen J, Rodriguez R, et al. The effects of Tribulus terrestris on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males [abstract]. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2000;10:208,215.
One well designed study failed to find that tribulus affects male sex hormone levels in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI. The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men. J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Jun 30.
As for the Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma longifolia) there is simply no science that shows any benefit from this...unles you happen to be a middle age or "sexually sluggish old male rats." Then you are likely to stretch and yawn more...
The only warning with Tongkat is that 26%+ of the malaysian stock has been found to be contaminated with mercury..and there is also lead contamination...
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Also dan, what did you mean by good fats?
Read this
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_161840/mpage_1/tm.htm#163003
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and what are some good lean meats.
Read the food section in this
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Gaining_Mass/m_111173/tm.htm
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AND... that training twice a day sounds interesting, is there anything else i should know about that?
It is called a double split...there are a 1000 wways to mix it up but if you train the whole body 2x a week on a 2 day split...then each day you would split the workout into 2 obvious sections for a shorter workout. For example...
AM PM training
Day 1 Back, abs Quads, Biceps
Day 2 Chest, calf Hamstring, Shoulders, Triceps
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AND you said something about cardio, will that hurt my mass gaining? thanks again.
It is not ideal to do a lot of cardio while striving for mass gains.
However doing HIIT (compare a long distance runner with a sprinter for instance) is more conducive.
Alternately doing a portion of your training in the 25-40 rep range will lead to hypertrophy in Type I and Type IIa muscle fibers and also be aerobic!
You should be gaining 1/2 to 2 pounds a week. If you are not it is your diet that is holding you back. Read that gaining mass file for pointers...
Vary your trianing frequently!
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 8:54:23 PM
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Thanks! that was all helpful. I will probably drop that androtest and 6-oxo and spend the money on nitrix or something. Two last questions then I swear im done. So sprinting is an acceptable form of cardio for mass gaining? and 25-40 to reps doesnt mean per set right? it means like 4 sets of 10 adds up to 40?
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 9:10:29 PM
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Dan Said:
Alternately doing a portion of your training in the 25-40 rep range will lead to hypertrophy in Type I and Type IIa muscle fibers and also be aerobic!
Seeingreen said:
25-40 to reps doesnt mean per set right? it means like 4 sets of 10 adds up to 40?
That is one set of 25-40.
Remember we are talking about training for aerobic effect?
Believe me ...finish off each muscle group with a set of 25 and see how you end up panting for the whole workout!
Look you can train in the 9-12 range and have a section in the 15-25 range in there and accomplish much the same.
Plan to start your workouts with the large muscle compound movements! That gets GH flowing! Squat, deadlift, bent row...
one day I start with Squats and move to deadlifts...I am blowing up the whole workout!
Next time I do Bent Row and Bench...not as powerful but still I am sweating and panting.
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/9/2006 9:49:27 PM
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Stillseeingreen
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Thanks
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RE: Tribulus / Testosterone boosters - 9/10/2006 6:54:50 PM
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i'd like to hear any explanation on why 17hd works so well......damn sure aint a placebo.
thanks.
Maybe what they say is in it is not actually whats in it.....hmm....it happens take for ex. ProMagnon25..which is a now banned product here in texas atleast.
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