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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 4/2/2007 12:22:16 PM
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Trick2Stroke
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I've never used NO before, only creatine and Whey. Wanting to try something new. Duely noted on the EAA, but I do have some questions.
You say to take it pre and post.
Immediately before training?
Post being 1 hour post WITH the NO? Taking it directly with the NO, few minutes after, does that even matter?
What exactly are the EAA's? Is it just a pill form suppliment I would be taking? Where's a good place to buy these from? Internet I'm guessing.
I haven't bought anything for this stack yet, so far I've just been putting together prospects for the new stack, and sticking to my Multi, fish oil, and Whey for the time being.
Definately appreciate the tips.
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 4/2/2007 3:05:17 PM
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OK.
EAA = Essential Amino Acids.
They are in Whey. At this time I do not see a product that I could recommend that is not loaded with crap or overpriced.
Creating could only be taken an hour before you train.
L-Arganine would ideally be taken before bed, but certainly not anywhere near training (while it has benefits taken alone, it has been shown to lower the desireable hormonal response to training when taken near training) and you should avoid NO products with stimulants.
Whey you would take 30 minutes before you train and immediatly after you cool down.
If you are looking for optimal anabolic response, then consider getting carbs both 30 minutes pre and immediatly post workout with th whey as well.
Roughly (both pre and post)
0.2 grams of carbs per pound of bodyweight
0.1 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight
You could sip or take BCAA during the workout if you want even more kick. About 3-5 grams (1 tsp.)
For even more anti-catabolism you want a diluted glucose drink (1:8 or about 12% by volume such as 25 grams of glucose in 8 ounces of water) with perhaps some BCAAs (~3-5 grams) in it.
If you are sensative to carbs/sugars, then pay slose attention to your response to the carbs...reduce or drop if necessary.
Beta Alanine you take in devided doses to maintain carnosine levels in muscle.
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 6/25/2007 2:14:08 PM
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3x1G or 6x1G should be fine.
Make sure that your diet and training are on target FIRST.
Make sure that all other strategies are already optimized and stabilized FIRST.
Research so far suggest that maximal increases in carnosine happen within 4 weeks with about 6 g per day, or 40 to 60 mg per kg of body weight. After that, it appears you could cut the dose in half to maintain your elevated carnosine levels.
Make sure you keep detailed records of growth, strength, power, focus, energy, recovery, etc.
It appears anecdotally, that if you stop supplementing, your carnosine levels will return to baseline in about 6 weeks.
As with creatine, there has been no reported physiological resistance so cycling is not indicated.
However, when you take your normal 10+- days vacation from training, you can stop supplementing if you want.
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/8/2008 2:29:32 PM
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Dont mean to bump this old thread, Havent been here for quite sometime.
But I am stacking beta alanine with creatine monohydrate + my super secret stack (legal).
Looking to compete in 08,
I will post results here of beta alanine since I cant find to much but a few research studies and articles in a few mags
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/12/2008 7:13:59 PM
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dan i was wondering if you could tell me anything about citrulline malate and if it is as useful or close to as useful as creatine and beta alanine which both seem to be great supplements.
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/12/2008 7:31:34 PM
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dan i was wondering if you could tell me anything about citrulline malate and if it is as useful or close to as useful as creatine and beta alanine which both seem to be great supplements.
Simply Citrulline is an antioxidant adn extends the NO promoting effects of Arganine adn the whole cascade that results.
As for a comparison with creatine and Beta-alanine: You personally do not notice the results of Citrulline/arganine and they go on without supplementation. Supplementation simply augments dietary sources and optimizes saturation of the pathways. But the measureable effects are at the plasma level and the resulting benefits are not easy to measure as a normal athlete unless you compare 6 months of training with it and 6 monthe without it. So C & A are useful. If I listed supplements in order of inclusion in a regimen, they would be close to the top, but CM would be higher and if your training is intense and you are pushing the edge of the envelope BA would be there as well.
With CM and BA you FEEL and SEE a difference.
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/14/2008 4:48:55 PM
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by CM u mean creatine mono or citrullin malate?
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/14/2008 5:50:28 PM
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i saw the beta-alanine supplement on t-nation but i didnt really know what it was. thanx for clearin it up for me. and now that i understand it. this sounds like a vicious supplement. i hear some platues being broken as i type...
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/18/2008 4:28:28 AM
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SergiuArsenie
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Is 1.7 g of BA going to do anything beneficial? Thats how much is in my pre workout supplement (White Flood) and I only take it on training days (3x/wk.)
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/18/2008 12:36:22 PM
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hmm okay. whats your take on Animal Pump?
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/18/2008 12:48:28 PM
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Lets not go through all the magic elixers.
You don't even know how much of any ingredient is in it!
Too many artificial ingredients for me to even say it is ok.
Again:
You should NOT be taking Arganine anywhere near your training time.
But as a training aid...you should have looked at the ingredients and noted these things for yourself...
The creatine is below the optimal dose! (1.25g per 40 pounds)
The Arganine is below the optimal dose! (4-6 grams minimum)
You don't want all those adrenalin stimulants, especially if you are bulking.
Pepper, Cinnamon and the antioxidants are fine fluff items to add, but neither here nor there.
Amount Per Serving % DV
Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid) 60mg 100%
Selenium(as Sodium Selenate) 100mcg 143%
Foundational Creatine Matrix 3000mg
Magnesium Creatine Chelate™ (MCC) *
Tricreatine Malate (TCM) *
Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) *
NO Blast Complex 2000mg
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (Arginine-AKG) *
Ornithine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (Ornithine-AKG) *
Citrulline Malate *
L-Carnosine *
L-Norvaline *
Energy Rush Complex** 500mg
Methylxanthine Complex (Caffeine, Theobromine Theophylline) *
Evodiamine *
Vinpocetine *
Antioxidant Complex 700mg
Grapeseed Extract (Standardized For 95% OPC) *
N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) *
Green Tea Extract (Standardized For 60% EGCG) *
K-R Alpha Lipoic Acid (K-R ALA) *
Pump Transport Complex 1000mg
Taurine *
Ginger Root Extract (Gingerols, Shaogols) *
Cinnulin PF™ *
Bioperine® (Piper Nigrum Extract Standardized For A Minimum Of 95% Piperine Alkaloids)
Methylxanthine Complex (50% Kola Nut Extract And 22% Guarana Extract), Cinnamon Root Extract, Evodiae Fructus Extract, Fenugreek Extract, Vinca Minor L. Extract, Gelatin, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Yellow #6, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 1/18/2008 3:28:33 PM
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Noted. Thanks for the advice Dan, as always!
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 2/12/2008 12:40:12 PM
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im going to buy BA at this new store i found because it is alot cheaper than gnc. I just have a few questions itd be really helpful if you could answer
first the powder is the cheapest and probably least convenient. I was gonna buy this buy the guy recommended the BA infusion which was a liquid form of it that he says is waaaay more effective. He told me about people trying it and saying about its great effects and the feeling they get after taking it, a tingly type feeling that i understand you can get from taking BA. He explained as a pre workout supplement that you only take maybe a gram on training days. From everything else ive heard, BA is to be taken everyday 4-6 grams to be most effective.
My first question is: is the liquid really more effective? If so is it worth paying the extra because it costs alot more when i calculate what im paying a day for it.
2nd: BA is not a preworkout supp from what i hear, its like creatine, you should take it preworkout but your also supposed to take it at other times of the day are you not? And you should be getting more than 1g on just lifting days.
and 3rd: there is a tiny bit of histidine in the product the ratio of BA to histidine is like 18:2 ish but not exactly. He says this is the perfect ratio of the two to support carnosine levels. I read somewhere else that you dont need any histidine because the limiting factor in carnosine levels is only the BA. It is only a small amount of histidine though so this question isnt as important im just wondering...
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RE: Beta-Alanine creates new frontier in sports perform... - 2/13/2008 4:14:14 AM
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alright thanks i was pretty sure of the answers already just needed to make sure because the guy kind of made me feel stupid when i argued with him even though i was right.
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deadlift 415
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http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/RollingStones_Journal/m_336444/tm.htm
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