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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 1:09:16 PM
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twistedlink
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Many new drugs have tons of research and hard data, and are approved by FDA. And later are pulled for safety reasons.
Scientists can overlook things and make mistakes, we are only human, but to have a personal philosiphy that hard data does nothing because a few mistakes were made is a very dangerous thing.
mistakes get made, but if i was to take a drug, id rather take one that did pass rigorous testing than one that did not, true it might still be fatal, but the probability of it coming through all the testing and being fatal or damaging is VERY slight, however something that hasn't had any testing-it just seems wreckless
By no means am i saying what your company is selling is dangerous, all i know is a lot of ethyl ester can be bad for the body, and that a non tested substance isnt smart to take, it probably is perfectly safe, im just saying there is a danger point there, and its greater than most because it hasnt been researched upon properly.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 1:51:00 PM
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I havent learnt that no, what i do know is the organic chemistry of ehtyl esters and i know in order to make it, it eliminates water from any source, which will deplete water within the body, this can obviously lead to adverse effects if taken in large doses.
Toxicity of the substances cannot be good anyway, it has oxidising effects which is obviously bad for any cells.
It also depends on the Esters being used, as a lot of esters are present in fruits etc if you let them ferment, and even without fermentation some still are in there, however some can be toxic, do i know the hard science of it? No, will i next year? Yes, do i have enough basic chemistry understanding of esters to make a decent conclusion? Half and half, with science an answer can turn around quite easily once something else is known, however, large amounts of esters in the body depending which ones, can become harmful.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 1:56:18 PM
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For example
Ethyl ethanoate takes in water, and makes and acid and an alcohol, this can obviously not be good for the body
It will create acids, alcohols, and will also diminish water supply in the body, which cannot be good.
Im sure it's safe in small doses but in large doses it could cause problems
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 2:04:16 PM
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HAHA, i can give you my test results info on scanned paper and my college records if you dont believe me that i know this stuff, or you could just quiz me some more lol.
By no means am i an expert at this, but i know some chemistry on esters
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 2:23:11 PM
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haha, i can do it fine on my own, its just the time taken to get it all in my head again, usually i can keep 80% of it all in, but knowing my luck she will question me on the 20% i forgot or am a bit rusty on.
But i may read shaqs post for me being a chemistry enthusiast lol.
set SOME time aside to study?!
I spent 5 days solid studying for my organic chemistry exam, that wasnt cram either, id spent the previous 3 months studying it gradually, and then hot shot it with 5 days of pure chemistry, i put roughly 130 posters around the house, quoting random facts, and i always put a new equation to figure out on the bathroom door and wasnt allowed to go through it til i figured it out
It actually helped a bloody lot that did lol.
If i dont get an A in that exam im gonna cry...I really will lol.
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RE: New info on Creatine - when - 8/13/2006 3:30:00 PM
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joey0
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what about tri-creatine orotate? i did the research and stuff, i was just wondering about ppl's personal opinions. anyone tried Orotine or Clout by MAN supps?
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