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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 8:14:10 AM   
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You get them gains and you arent even in a proper gym?

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 8:35:12 AM   
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I have not seen the gym in over a year.

Heck I was getting gains in the desert using water cans and stakes during Desert Eagle (the lead-up to Desert Storm.)  6 MRE meals a day Smile

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 8:41:34 AM   
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Smile damn you mesomorph! LOL

Seriously dude, how on earth did you keep your weight in such conditions?



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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 9:49:12 AM   
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EAT! and train for maintenance or better!

There were times it was just frustrating to go on a 30 day op and come back 10 pounds lighter!

I would just eat like mad and train and gain it all back in a month.

Mesomorph...you say that now, but i made these genetics..i wasn't born with them!

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 9:53:29 AM   
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Actually that reminds me, i was gonna PM it but itd be better not to as itd be useful for other ectos

right now my calorie intake is MENTAL, and im gaining little weight, is this my body getting used to high amounts of food? if so would it be better to lower it a lot so my body starts to go into "storage" mode and starts packing on mass, because i remember reading a post by you about how the more protein you intake the more your body gets used to it and doesnt intake all you eat.

Thanks for any info in advance

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 10:50:51 AM   
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Damn...just typed and lost a great reply... have to try again.Smile

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 11:17:17 AM   
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right now my calorie intake is MENTAL, and im gaining little weight, is this my body getting used to high amounts of food?

Sort of.  In some people, the body responds to hypercaloric diets with increased TSH...and thus a hyperactive metabolism.

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 if so would it be better to lower it a lot so my body starts to go into "storage" mode and starts packing on mass

Mmmm, no..then you  would likely start to go into survival mode and preferentially BURN muscle and store FAT mass.

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, because i remember reading a post by you about how the more protein you intake the more your body gets used to it and doesnt intake all you eat
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That is combining 2 concepts.

Protein is thermic.  20-25 calories are required to process every 100 calories or protein.

The body acclimates to the amount of protein you take in.  Excess leads to increasing the rate of protein wasting.

You can modify the RATIO of the nutrients to LOWER your metabolic rate while at the same time still meedting energy needs..but meeting them with fat and carbs so that the body can use the protein for repair and building.

You can look at the info in this post about varying the ratio...
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Gaining_Mass/m_111173/tm.htm

You want to look at a ratio like this:
Fat - 30%
Carbs - 55%
Protein - 15%

Now, it may take as much as 3 weeks for your body to start to respond to the change in diet!
Especially if you are reducing protein intake quite a bit!!!

Give it the time to acclimate.

In the meantime your training...
You want to focus on Hypertrophy specific training...
Mostly in the 10 rep range...with a little heavy work and a little light high rep work.
The workouts will be aerobic...

You should not need to be doing cardio.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 11:18:01 AM   
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IT posted YAY.

So, how is that for starters..

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/3/2006 9:44:20 AM   
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Yeah see my protein is higher percentile than that and fat and carbs are lower.

Hmmm...so in simple terms youre saying a sudden decrease in protein and more carbs and fat will allow my body to reserve protein better, and use the calories i eat more effectively?

Regardless of understanding-im changing my diet right now, because im fed up of eating the amount i do, its too much even for me lol.

I know i should be doing 10 reps and i know im only doing 5 recently and 8 tommorow onwards, but i really like powerlifting, and i know weightgain is possible its just slower, and personally adding weight slower is better anyway, you get more out of each muscle fibre. But i will be using a 8-10 rep routine after christmas to see how i go.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/3/2006 10:09:21 AM   
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Hmmm...so in simple terms youre saying a sudden decrease in protein and more carbs and fat will allow my body to reserve protein better, and use the calories i eat more effectively?


No, your protein is too high.
Lower it and make your overall calories at maintenance.
If you use more fat, your volume of food will go DOWN.

Meet your energy needs with carbs and fat...

Cycling through the different types of training is best overall.Smile

I love powerlifting and also strength training..but my goal is to be 220 and then get competition ready...so I am focused on that. 

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/3/2006 1:40:49 PM   
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dan i just re did my diet this morning i becasue towrds the end it was messing up. i set it up around 25% prot. 50% carb and 25% fat. what do you think of that its so hard to get the protien down and try to keep it in propourtion with the carbsSmile. i gained around a pound this week thoughSmile, oh and dan i just wanted to know if whole grain bread is ok to use mabye once a day, becasue i got school starting up this week. whould you recommend 5 meal or 6 meals a day? beacue i try to eat around every 2 hours or so. i didn't know you were in desert storm, that must have been a real adventure.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/5/2006 8:37:30 PM   
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September 4 2006
3 hours hiking on the appalachian trail.
 
August 29 2006 
 (Cold)
Bodyweight     194.5  
Bodyfat %       14.8%
Lean Mass      165.6 
Body Fat          28.9              
Neck               16.75       
Chest              45.5          
Waist              35             
Hip                  40       
Bicep (no flex)  15.75        
Thigh              25  
Calf                16.125      
Forearm           12.25   


 
September 5 2006 
 (Cold)
Bodyweight     196.5   User Posted Image
Bodyfat %       15.3% Smile
Lean Mass      166.5  User Posted Image
Body Fat          30      Smile        
Neck               17  User Posted Image     
Chest              46   User Posted Image       
Waist              36    Smile        
Hip                  40.5   Smile    
Bicep (no flex)  15.875   User Posted Image     
Thigh              25  
Calf                16.125      
Forearm           12.25  


Many days off stuffing myself and no training gained me some fat!
 
Now would be a good time to toy with calories..but I am going to be training this week...so maybe I will keep em steady and see what happens!
 
1-10 (10 =best)
(9) Sleep quality
(8) Workout intensity capacity
(7) Mental Focus
(4) Energy
(7) Mood
(8) Water intake
(7) Adherence to meals 

Diet    
Gained 2 pounds....ate from my meal plan...only a few meals switched around or even missed due to shorter days....not enough hours.

So, I may stick with it 1 more week to see if i can rebalance the gains in the +muscle  -fat direction again!

Exercise
Squat  4 sets of 10
Cable rows  4 sets of 10

Upright rows  4 sets of 10
Curls 4 sets of 10
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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/6/2006 9:08:39 PM   
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September 6 2006 

1-10 (10 =best)
(9) Sleep quality
(8) Workout intensity capacity
(7) Mental Focus
(8) Energy
(7) Mood
(8) Water intake
(10) Adherence to meals 

Diet    
Exchanged out chicken and had scallops. MMmmmmmm


Exercise
Bench 4x10

Triceps pushdown 4x10
Lying Leg Curl 4x10
Standing Calf 4x10
Ball Crunches 3x25
 
34 minutes. 
Everything was pumped and full after the 4 sets
Bench and calf press I need to go heavier...

September 7 2006
 
1 hour walking in the sun
 
1-10 (10 =best)
(10) Sleep quality
(-) Workout intensity capacity
(7) Mental Focus
(9) Energy
(8) Mood
(9) Water intake
(10) Adherence to meals 


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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/8/2006 11:31:34 PM   
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1-10 (10 =best)
(10) Sleep quality
(8) Workout intensity capacity
(7) Mental Focus
(8) Energy
(8) Mood
(9) Water intake
(10) Adherence to meals 

Diet     
exact

Exercise 
Leg Extension 3x15
 
Pulldown 3x12
Side to front raise 3x12 
Hammer Curl 3x15 
Weighted Crunches 3x10 
 
35 minutes. 
Nice pump.

Need to get the Leg Extensions better situated so I get a better movement!

Getting closer to a decent picture...the ones I took were not worth sharing, but I almost got the combo of flash and light right so I don't look like a piece of white copy paper Smile

I have been eager to pass 16" relaxed and 17" flexed biceps on my way to bigger guns and I am very close!

I am challenged with my equipment but I need to get faster gains on the chest to bring it up to the arms, shoulders, back...I am going to have to dig in and use some smart lifting!!!

In a month I may be on an extended travel stint as I look for a new place to live...then it wil be even more challenging to stay on with diet and training!

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 5:25:26 AM   
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White copy paper?  That's a new one.

Where are you off to this time?  Isn't it time to experience the great Midwestern cities?Smile

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 7:23:34 AM   
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Yea..that flash hits my whitness and its all whiteout!

But here..I've been taking some no flash shots...maybe these will tide until I get the knack of lighting!

6/8/06

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 7:24:58 AM   
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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 7:25:39 AM   
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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 7:26:43 AM   
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Looking good! . . . . I like how your shoulders and back flare out, which look great to your smaller waist.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/9/2006 7:39:14 AM   
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Yea..I am bulking like crazy so the waist is kinda plumped!

But you can see that if I just cut now I would have that model physique...simply because I have  the muscle now. 

But thats not my goal...I want to be a freak! Smile

I think thats what you want to do G...add the muscle and then cut it up...

I have to put up another since I am now carrying 5 pounds more muscle than the last photo....

I weighted in at 197.5 this AM! Smile
200 here I come!

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