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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/16/2006 4:56:20 PM   
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Well...don't think the higher weights HAVE to be only done slow....


You meant to say higher reps I'm assuming? I know they don't have to be done slow, but right now I'm doing my sets fast with low reps, so the exact opposite would be slow high reps. I figured I'd kill more birds with my stone this way Smile

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If you do each bodypart 1x per week...you could hybridize for 2 weeks and see what happened.

What you can do is do a second higher rep 10-15 or 25-40 low volume (3 sets per bodypart) workout 4 days after the first workout. 

The recovery time for this second workout is only 2-3 days. 

So: Monday Back and Friday hi-rep Back...

Then you will start to bring more hypertrophy to the Type IIa and Type IIb fibers (10-15)  and Type I (25-40)

This sounds like a good idea, thanks!

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And we now know that changing the routine up weekly leads to more hypertrophy than say every 4 weeks.

This is true but my issue with changing the routine every week is that it's hard to ensure you're progressing with your weights. For example, how do I know I'm going to increase chest strength if I'm doing low reps one week, high reps another week, hybridization, etc.  That's why I prefer a more predictable routine, so that I can look at last week and say okay I benched 170 last week, lets go for 175 today.

Anyways, thanks for the hybrization tip, and I'll quit hijacking your journal now Smile

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/16/2006 8:56:46 PM   
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quote:

You meant to say higher reps I'm assuming?

Smile  OOoops.  Yes I did!

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For example, how do I know I'm going to increase chest strength if I'm doing low reps one week, high reps another week, hybridization, etc.  That's why I prefer a more predictable routine, so that I can look at last week and say okay I benched 170 last week, lets go for 175 today.


Is your primary focus strength?  I think it must be!  I was referring to a muscle hypertrophy goal.

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And we now know that changing the routine up weekly leads to more hypertrophy than say every 4 weeks.


This is true but my issue with changing the routine every week is that it's hard to ensure you're progressing with your weights.

The variance can be something slight..you don't have to change the whole routine...it can be as simple as ending with a lighter set of 40 or heavier sets of 1 rep 4x...or doing the movements slower...or taking shorter rests..or longer ones and going heavier...you understand.

However..your strength will also shift in response...any time you challenge the body in a way it is unaccustomed to...stength gain is not linear either..it is more effective to zig-zag a bit.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/17/2006 7:09:54 PM   
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Well Darn..due to a series of adventures and misadventures...I missed the 8/16 workout.

The diet has been right on.

Had an interview with Daniel Gastelu for a radio/podcast that was fun, though I was panting when we started from running to get settled on time.

We may do a regular series answering questions and concerns for strength and bodybuilding athletes...

So next training is the 18th!

I may do 18/20/22/24/26...so that I still have 6 sessions in the 2 week period.

Just have to watch the stress and recovery.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/18/2006 10:18:58 PM   
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1-10 (10 =best)
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(8) Energy
(8) Mood
(10 ) Water intake
(7) Adherence to meals 

Diet 
covered in a friend's store for 10 hours and so I used 2 MRPs during "work" as well as my normal meal.
 
Training
Set 1 warm up set with a weight that would allow 20....for 10 reps
Set 2 warm up set with a weight that would allow 12...for 8 reps
Set 3 same as set #2 but 6 reps
Set 4 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF
Set 5 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF (if #4 was over 6 reps...go up in weight) 

Exercises...
Squat (closer to 4-6 failure at 305...but still need to go heavier)
Deadlift (need to go heavier)
Standing Calf Raises  - great
Chest Press  Incline - was not paying attention to the weight...was very in the muscle
Cable Row  - great...rrrr I think...brutal
Upright Row - oooch great
Preacher Curl - Yea great
Over head Tri-Press - i was too strong...need more weight next time

Took under an hour!

Next training is 8/20/06

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/20/2006 10:33:40 PM   
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Weight 193.5
 
8/19/2006
Rest day - had to clean a mold infestation..that is never good.

1-10 (10 =best)
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8/20/2006
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Spot on.

Felt really bloated before the workout, but after I felt great again!
 
Training
Set 1 warm up set with a weight that would allow 20....for 10 reps
Set 2 warm up set with a weight that would allow 12...for 8 reps
Set 3 same as set #2 but 6 reps
Set 4 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF
Set 5 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF (if #4 was over 6 reps...go up in weight) 

Exercises...
Squat - 305
Deadlift  - 295
Standing Calf Raises - 225
Wide grip pulldown - 175 (limited by bodyweight)
Chest Press  Decline - 175 (limited by bodyweight)
Militart Press - 70
Hammer Curl - 70
Skull Crushers - 90
Weighted Crunches - 80

Took under an hour!

Next training is 8/22/06

8/21 or 8/22 I will do stats again

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/22/2006 9:18:46 AM   
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August 12 2006 
 (AM Cold)
Bodyweight     191
Bodyfat %       14.5%
Lean Mass      163            
Body Fat          28              
Neck               17       
Chest              45.5          
Waist              35             
Hip                  39.5       
Bicep (no flex)  15.5        
Thigh              25 
Calf                16       
Forearm           12 


August 22 2006 
 (AM Cold)
Bodyweight     193.5  Smile
Bodyfat %       14.8%
Lean Mass      165 Smile
Body Fat          28.5              
Neck               17       
Chest              45.5          
Waist              34.75             
Hip                  39.5       
Bicep (no flex)  15.375        
Thigh              24.5 
Calf                16       
Forearm           12.125  Smile

Contrary to the caliper calculation...all the actual caliper measures went down except 2 of them.  Those two weigh heavy in calculating the BF%.

I believe I dropped a little fat and I am not doing any oxidative muscle fiber training so that could account for a reduction in total muscle size...muscle is more dense by weight and area than fat...but I will incorporate 1 set of oxidative muscle fiber type training for each muscle this workout to work to increase the muscle size of that fraction again.

Some calculators put me at 9-11.5% but I think that is skewed by my genetic lean-ness and thin skin in the arms.

Anyway..tracking BF is about helping me to tweak diet and training, not about anything else.

Bodybuilding is about appearance not measurements. 
I am looking leaner and a tiny bit more full. 
Still a ways to go until the thigh and chest are stage ready and the bodyfat is low enough to show it all off.  NOT TO MENTION..the need for a dark tan!

Next couple of days I should have more time and be able to take photos...

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Diet  
Had a DS Sustain Bar while returning from taking mom to airport. 


Exercises...

I moved the workout to August 23 so I would have August 24 off

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/22/2006 9:09:28 PM   
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Nice journal nice 2lbs increase in LBM while dropping bf = Smile x100000000


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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/23/2006 1:30:08 PM   
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i can deff see that loging measurments have helped you alot in keeping tack of training and diet, after i'm done with my program i'm deff gona borrow from your workout, i'll hopefully get to 150-165 lbs and 8% bf in a year

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/24/2006 10:02:52 AM   
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August 23 2006 
1-10 (10 =best)
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(7) Mental Focus
(8) Energy
(8) Mood
(10) Water intake
(10) Adherence to meals 

Diet  
Perfect
 
Training
Set 1 warm up set with a weight that would allow 20....for 10 reps
Set 2 warm up set with a weight that would allow 12...for 8 reps
Set 3 same as set #2 but 6 reps
Set 4 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF
Set 5 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF (if #4 was over 6 reps...go up in weight) 

SET 6 25 reps with initial weight or a slight drop

Exercises (max weight used approx)
Squat - 315
Deadlift  - 295
Standing Calf Raises - 225
Chest Press - 185 (limited by bodyweight)
Bent Row - 195 (limited by bodyweight)
Military Press - 70
Curl - 90 
Close Grip Pushdown - 80

OK, that set of 25 at the end of each one was fun but a killer.

Took 75 minutes!

August 24 I will do abs.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/25/2006 9:43:44 PM   
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August 24 was my birthday..so...

I went to a session of the Stowe Music Festival. There was a visiting Flute player, Horacio Franco.  The Flute he plays is the Recorder.   He was quite extraordinary.  Myself, having played with Irish Whistle players for years, some of them very skilled, I have come to appreciate the fingerwork and breath control.  This man played selections from Bach, Telemann and others.  Quite remarkable! Then I took myself for sushi... August 25 2006I went to another session of the Stowe Music Festival..which is right in the middle of my workout time..so I did half... 1-10 (10 =best)
(10) Sleep quality
(10) Workout intensity capacity
(9) Mental Focus
(10) Energy
(9) Mood
(10) Water intake
(10) Adherence to meals 

Diet  
Perfect
 
Training
Set 1 warm up set with a weight that would allow 20....for 10 reps
Set 2 warm up set with a weight that would allow 12...for 8 reps
Set 3 same as set #2 but 6 reps
Set 4 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF
Set 5 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF (if #4 was over 6 reps...go up in weight) Exercises (max weight used approx) Chest Press Incline - 155 (limited by bodyweight) 
Cable Row - 195 (limited by bodyweight)
Upright Row- 60
Preacher Curl - 60 
Overhead Tri Press- 90
Took 30 minutes I will do Lower Body and Abs 8/25/06

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/26/2006 5:03:57 AM   
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Happy Birthday!!
Smile*the red one holding the balloon is you.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/26/2006 8:38:04 AM   
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Thanks Syed!

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/26/2006 8:42:45 AM   
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it's the least i can do for you helping me so much

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/27/2006 7:43:44 PM   
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Time to transition to a hypertrophy specific training...Smile

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(8) Energy
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(10) Water intake
(9) Adherence to meals 

Diet   
Added to the PWO..about 250 extra calories... 
Also had carbs (5 grapes) before I trained...which was weird because I ended up waaay tooo strong for my own good.

Training
Set 1 warm up set with a weight that would allow 20....for 10 reps
Set 2 warm up set with a weight that would allow 12...for 8 reps
Set 3 same as set #2 but 6 reps
Set 4 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF
Set 5 Select a weight that would allow 4-6 reps to MMF (if #4 was over 6 reps...go up in weight) 

Exercises (max weight used approx)
Squat - 325
Deadlift  - 315
Standing Calf Raises - 225
Weigted Crunches

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/29/2006 9:16:28 AM   
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August 22 2006 
 (AM Cold)
Bodyweight     193.5  
Bodyfat %       14.8%
Lean Mass      165 
Body Fat          28.5              
Neck               17       
Chest              45.5          
Waist              34.75             
Hip                  39.5       
Bicep (no flex)  15.375        
Thigh              24.5 
Calf                16       
Forearm           12.125  

August 29 2006 
 (Cold)
Bodyweight     194.5  User Posted Image
Bodyfat %       14.8%
Lean Mass      165.6 User Posted Image
Body Fat          28.9              
Neck               16.75       
Chest              45.5          
Waist              35             
Hip                  40       
Bicep (no flex)  15.75   User Posted Image     
Thigh              25  User Posted Image
Calf                16.125  User Posted Image    
Forearm           12.25  User Posted Image

Only got 2 times through the full-body with the strength workouts since the 22nd.

Upcoming workout..this week - Goal is 3x through:
Day 1
Bench press 3 sets 6 reps  
Incline press 2 sets 10 reps   
Low Bench press 1 set 20 reps   
 
Skull Crusher 3 sets 6 reps  
Overhead triceps press 2 sets 10 reps   
Triceps pushdown 1 set 20 reps   
 
Lying Leg Curl  3 sets 6 reps
Standing Leg Curl  2 sets 10 reps   
Stiff Leg Dead lift 1 set 20 reps
 
Standing calf raises 3 sets 6 reps  
Seated calf raises 2 sets 10 reps   
Donkey calf raises 1 set 20 reps   
  
Day 2
Squat 3 sets 6 reps  
Squat  2 sets 10 reps    
Leg Extension 1 set 20 reps  
 
Military Press  3 sets 6 reps  
Upright rows  2 sets 10 reps   
Side to front raise 1 set 20 reps   
 
Cable rows  3 sets 6 reps  
Lat pull down 2 sets 10 reps   
Bent Row 1 set 20 reps   
 
Curls 3 sets 6 reps  
Alternating curls 2 sets  10 reps   
Hammer curls 1 set 20 reps 

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/29/2006 11:34:56 PM   
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Diet   
I will go a few days and see if I am still gaining weight...since I only added .6 pounds muscle but gained a pound that argues for still being in about a 3400 calorie weekly surplus...

 
Had to be out on business so I had 2 meal replacement bars to cover for a meal...and hour later I had more protein and 1/2 a mango and 30 minutes later worked out...

Exercise
Not going past failure but to a point just short of near positive failure

Warm up!
Bench press 3 sets 6 reps  
Incline press 2 sets 10 reps    
Decline Bench press 1 set 20 reps   
 
Skull Crusher 3 sets 6 reps  
Overhead triceps press 2 sets 10 reps   
Triceps pushdown 1 set 20 reps    
 
Standing Leg Curl 3 sets 6 reps 
Lying Leg Curl 2 sets 10 reps   
Stiff Leg Dead lift 1 set 20 reps
 
Standing calf raises 3 sets 6 reps  
Seated calf raises 2 sets 10 reps   
Donkey calf raises 1 set 20 reps  

2 sets ball crunches 20 reps each 

Took about 45 minutes and had a realy nice feeling after!

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/31/2006 8:16:29 PM   
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(8) Mood
(10) Water intake
(9) Adherence to meals 

Diet   
Some foods not available so I improvised.

Exercise
Not going past failure but to a point just short of near positive failure

Day 2
Squat 3 sets 6 reps  
Squat  2 sets 10 reps    
Squat 1 set 20 reps  
 
Military Press  3 sets 6 reps  
Military Press  2 sets 10 reps   
Military Press 1 set 20 reps   
 
Cable rows  3 sets 6 reps  
Cable rows 2 sets 10 reps   
Cable rows 1 set 20 reps   
 
Curls 3 sets 6 reps  
Curls  2 sets  10 reps   
Curls 1 set 20 reps 
 
Took 40 minutes - feels great.
 
Next time I will switch the movements around in each group.

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RE: Looking for mass... - 8/31/2006 11:38:42 PM   
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My god man youre packing on weight like its as easy as eating pie...
jesus.
And your squats and deads are pretty impressive too, though for someone your height and weight id have thought a good bit more weight would be in order lol.

Dont be so greedy too, gimme some of your weight, go on, go on Smile

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/1/2006 7:42:21 AM   
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quote:

My god man youre packing on weight like its as easy as eating pie...

Eating pie would be harder...Smile

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And your squats and deads are pretty impressive too, though for someone your height and weight id have thought a good bit more weight would be in order lol.

I don't know if you saw a few posts back...but the equipment I use is continuous tension resistance bands as apposed to free weights.  I use the bands because I am "in the wild" as it were and need something to work out with beyond bodyweight..I used bodyweight for a few months a year a go and made good gains..but I kinda milked it for all it was worth.

One limitation to bands is that some movements are limited by you ability to counter-lever the bands...imagine doing a standing cable bench press with no back support..at a certain weight it just tips you over.  The plus is you don't need a spotter.

With free weights I could hit heavier weight.  With the bands...the whole experience is different.

My gym is in California and I am in Vermont in a shack in the woods. 

But remember, gaining muscle is not about lifting the heaviest weighhts!

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RE: Looking for mass... - 9/2/2006 8:05:33 AM   
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(9) Adherence to meals 

Diet   
Ate all my normal food but some things were not cooked at the right times so I re-arranged..no banana post wo but the PWO shake was bigger

Exercise
Not going past failure but to a point just short of near positive failure

Warm up!
Decline Bench press 3 sets 6 reps  
Bench press 2 sets 10 reps    
Incline Bench press 1 set 20 reps    
 
Overhead triceps press 3 sets 6 reps  
Triceps pushdown 2 sets 10 reps   
Skull Crusher 1 set 20 reps    
 
Standing Leg Curl 3 sets 6 reps 
Lying Leg Curl 2 sets 10 reps   
Stiff Leg Dead lift 1 set 20 reps
 
Standing calf raises 3 sets 6 reps  
Standing calf raises 2 sets 10 reps   
Standing calf raises 1 set 20 reps  


Took about 45 minutes and had a realy nice BIG feeling after!

< Message edited by danmirage -- 9/2/2006 8:06:34 AM >

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