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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 9:24:59 AM
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The Sheep Man
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Nice man! I notice how much more large your quads have become.
I love the numbers you throw out, when I look at your weight and frame, sometimes I am like, man he's awesome. Especially the squat. I am jealous, SO, I will have to work my squat to surpass you!
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 10:29:37 AM
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veggeep
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He he he... JEEZ... I guess I'm surprised that anyone would be impressed with those numbers, LOL  But, if you say so 
Whatever it takes, Bro! Get in the gym and get those squats up. 10 Lb at a time. If you can finish 8-10 reps with one weigth, there's NO GOOD REASON you can't do the same thing with ten pounds more  Ten pounds is tiddly winks!
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 12:07:47 PM
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twistedlink
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a 260lbs squat is good for your frame veg, what measurement are your thighs and calves?
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 1:34:49 PM
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veggeep
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ORIGINAL: twistedlink
a 260lbs squat is good for your frame veg, what measurement are your thighs and calves?
D'Oh! My bad! I forgot to include my measurements on the last update. It's there now, at the bottom of this post LOL.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 1:51:59 PM
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Your leg measurements are the same as mine, yet you squat nearly twice as me, No fair! lol
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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.
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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 4:06:14 PM
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twistedlink
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Hmmm...I do seem to lack that "****ing take it ****" attitude with my weight training lol.
Mehhh...dont like smith machines, my gym only has a decline bench facility via smith benching, and i hate the way it limits movement, same with the rest, so i dont use em, prefer free weight, but each to there own, either way, the numbers are good.
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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.
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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 5:04:53 PM
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I squat more with barbell than with smith machine... I agree, squats are all in the head. Twistedlink, we'll be up to 180kg in no time ;)
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 5:28:51 PM
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i saw in one of your replies that your bad at bench press. thats probly because your 6'2" and you have naturally long limbs and its harder for people with longer arms to bench a lot.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 5:45:11 PM
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veggeep
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i saw in one of your replies that your bad at bench press. thats probly because your 6'2" and you have naturally long limbs and its harder for people with longer arms to bench a lot.
That's a VERY big part of it, yes! I've got a 6'3" wingspan, with really long upper arms. That's also why I hate my biceps numbers so much... Even if I get those bad boys up to 18", they'll never look as compact and peaked as dudes with shorter arms 
But, I never let my physical peculiars limit the training that I can throw at them -you just have to find the right combination of leverage and grip that hits the pecs sufficiently while not blowing out your glenohumeral joints. For me (and I learned this from John Berardi), that means focusing on a narrower grip, with my elbows turned in more. It also means I do a lot more decline bench work than any other kind, because it hits the lower portion of my chest a lot harder, and that's where all my leverage advantage lies right now. Hell, judging by how some dudes arch their backs on a flat bench press attempt, they're really doing the same thing. Might as well just drop the back board and do declines, if you're going to arch your back like that
But you're absolutely right about the mechanical advantage of shorter arms. I was going to draft it out once and see just how much of a difference 1 inch of pectoral insertion (at the humerous) makes between two guys benching the same wieght, but my calculus is a bit rusty. I know it has to do with moments of inertia and there have to be at least three involved -maybe some other math geek can throw it down for us?
I'm pretty sure it's a huge difference. Like, for every inch longer your arms are, the same weight (with the same grip and elbow position) becomes 30% harder to lift, or something like that. It would be an interesting thing to geek on.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/2/2006 11:34:51 PM
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twistedlink
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Veg, 6'2" you can have arms that look real big, though to be fair the man in question who i know to be this height with big arms, has them at a measurement of 19.5"
Anyway, thats now my excuse for bench sucking, my height, even though im a tad shorter than veg .
My wingspan last check was just a tad smaller too.
Squats are the only exercise whereby i look in the mirror and just focus on one particular thing (you have to face a mirror, the gyms full of em, its like that bruce lee film at the end lol) and burn em out.
Oh, and i expect to see at least a 5lbs gain on every exercise you do veg, dont shy it out, burn it out.
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I like boobs. Not like big messy boobs that pour out the bra when they are unleashed. Not small boobs either. Not fake ones either. A full C cup.
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WOW! I am honored! I am finally, FINALLY in someone's sig. Twisted of all people.
Boobs=power.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/3/2006 6:38:11 AM
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I guess I can go ahead and field the arm length issue. It's not as complicated as you might think. Torque is measured as force times displacement from the moment arm. Your pectoral must provide a torque on the shoulder socket with its attachment to the humerus, which would make the attachment point just as significant as the length of the humerus. In that respect, those with a wider pectoral spread would have an advantage. To make things simple, let's consider lifters with the same pectoral spread so that we can narrow things down to just humerus length. F X d using a weight of 200 lbs(which would be 100 lbs of force on each of two arms) and a humerus length of 12 in gives us 100 ft*lbs of torque on each of two shoulders. At 13 in we have 108.33 ft*lbs. That would make an 8.33% change in torque required for each inch of humerus. Keep in mind this is only accurate at the point where the humerus is parallel to the deck and forearms are perpendicular. Forearm length is inconsequential.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/3/2006 8:45:51 AM
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veggeep
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Forearm length is inconsequential
Agreed. However...
The reason I believe this is a compound calculation is that there are more variables than just the length of the humerus -you hinted at one with the "parallel to the deck" issue. I'm speaking specifically of the distance from the glenoid process, where the Pectoralis Major attaches -I'm pretty sure it varies among different lifters.
Force x distance does accurately describe the torque at the fulcrum (the glenoid process), and it makes sense insomuch as one is only measuring the difference between varying lengths of humerus. But the real torque value we're concerned with is that exerted by the pectoralis major itself -which crosses the fulcrum point. So, assuming a 12" humerus, and a 100 Lb load, you have 100 ft-Lbs of torque at the glenoid process; but the force at the pectoral insertion(let's assume 1" further down the humerus from the glenoid process) should be 12 times greater, yes? It has to move all that weight, with only one inch of leverage. I'm reminded of a hydraulic crane, with the ram located just a few feet from the elbow joint.
You've gotta know that ram is doing a helluva lot more work when you move it closer to the fulcrum. So, my logic is that the shorter your upper arms are, and the further down your humerus the pec attaches, the easier it is to bench press rediculous amounts of weight.
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D'OH! I read your reply too fast. You already ruled it out...
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To make things simple, let's consider lifters with the same pectoral spread so that we can narrow things down to just humerus length.
< Message edited by veggeep -- 7/3/2006 8:47:38 AM >
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/3/2006 9:14:14 AM
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Naviator
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You must also consider that if you were to separate the pectoralis from the body and attach it directly to a weight you would find that the muscle itself is capable of incredible amounts of tension. Due to body mechanics it becomes obvious that shearing forces on joints are a major factor in injuries. This is why form is so crucial as well as exercises involving as many groups of stabilizers as possible. You'll find a great deal more muscle development using dumbbells and cables than a straight bar even though you use less weight. You also notice that while your pectoral applies the same force throughout the movement it becomes easier past the "breaking point" where your elbows begin to straighten. One could use a calculus integration to determine the amount of energetic difference throughout the entire lift of a 12 inch humerus versus one that is 13 inches, but the numbers wouldn't really make much sense to someone pushing the weight. Does it really matter to you to find that you use blah% more BTUs or Joules to raise the same amount of weight? You would find the tall skinny guy putting in more effort than the stocky one, but he's still a tall skinny guy in the end. Embrace the difference, eat your food, be patient, and grow into the role of the 6'2" sasquatch, rather than envying the easy life of the 5'6" gorilla. You might consider looking into Optimum Anabolics if power is not as important as pure muscle growth...
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/3/2006 12:09:28 PM
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veggeep
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I see your point. You're quite the evangelist, Nav
But I swear to God, if you show up at my door in black pants and a white dress shirt waving an OA Manual, I'm gonna puke soy protein all over your shoes
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/3/2006 12:17:09 PM
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veggeep
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Date: 07/03/2006
Objective: Hypertrophy
Split Designation: Legs & Abdominals
Exercise Sets (Weight/Reps*)
Squats 210/10 230/10 250/10 250/10 270/10
Hamstring Curl 75/10 85/10 85/10 85/10 85/10
Standing Calf Raise 260/25 260/25 260/25 260/25
Leg Extension 125/15 125/15 125/15 125/15
Swiss ball Crunch -/30 -/30 -/30 -/30
*Decimal values represent partial reps (ex 8.4 = eight full reps + four partial reps)
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I'd like to scribble something pithy and inspirational about this workout, but all I can think about is how deliciously hot it is outside right now, and how I'm gonna jump in my Jeep and drive around with my shirt off, scaring all the girls with my Calista Flockhart impersonation. HA HA HA! Just kidding... Methinks I'll grab a big, nasty veggie burrito, then hit the tanning salon for a few minutes of fake bake.
My legs feel like pudding right now...
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/4/2006 3:05:44 PM
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veggeep
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Date: 07/04/2006
Objective: Hypertrophy
Split Designation: Back, Chest & Arms
Exercise Sets (Weight/Reps*)
Chinup -/11 -/9 -/5.3 -/4.5
DB Pullover 50/10 50/10 50/10 50/10
Low Cable Row 110/10 110/10 120/10 120/10
Bent DB Row 40/12 40/12 40/12 40/12
Dec Bench Press 120/8 120/8 130/8 130/4.5
Incline DB Press 30/10 30/10 30/10 30/10
Alt DB Curl 30/10 30/10 30/10
*Decimal values represent partial reps (ex 8.4 = eight full reps + four partial reps)
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Mmmmmmmm... So Niiiiiiiice Killer pump. Complete, unmitigated badassness. Fireworks. Appropriate, given today's date...
HOLY S**T!!!!
Speaking of July 4th, Today is my veggi-versary!!! I've been a veggie-scarfing, bunny-lovin' tree-hugger for exactly FIVE years TODAY!
I think I'll celebrate with another hour of ab training after the fireworks tonight
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/4/2006 3:18:36 PM
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Congrats on the 5 year milestone... i couldn't do it myself, but i respect you for being a veg head, and lifting weights/being in shape, most of the vegitarians i know are majorly out of shape.
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/5/2006 7:42:07 AM
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Lifting on a holiday? That's hard core. I like it! ;) It looks like you provided some fireworks of your own!
Congrats on the anniversary. I couldn't do it - I like eating defenseless animals too much, but the veg lifestyle certainly seems to work well for you!
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RE: Veggeep's Bulking & Shredding & Just Plain Lovin' t... - 7/5/2006 8:46:11 AM
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Nothing can stand in the way of the Vegenator and his dreams I even left my parents' house last Christmas to go home for a mid-afternoon workout, and then came back... LOL!
Actually, July 4th is THE quitessential summer holiday for me. I don't remember when it earned such a high affiliation with me, tho I'm sure it had something to do with the fact that July 4th celebrations always involve huge crowds of people drinking and partying and barbecueing and tossing frisbees with their shirts off. Consequently, it has become the high water-mark of the summer season for me and the singular culmination of all the hours I've spent (or, until recently, FAILED to spend) in the gym for the preceding year. I have been busting my ass in the gym for the past 11 months anticipating a different kind of summer enjoyment, and for the first time, I've been able to revel in it without being so self-conscious about how rediculous I might look in the process, LOL! My Jeep is finally being given the top-down, doors off, shirtless, barefoot showoff treatment that it deserves, and that's a good thing
Today is a scheduled day off, tho -so I'm going to try not to think about lifting. It's okay; I'll have my hands full trying to figure out how half of the power can be out in my apartment while all the circuit breakers are on 
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