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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 6/6/2006 9:22:50 AM
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SoCool
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You could say that anything that made you relax builds your muscles, like valium and heroin, if the only benefit is because it relaxes you then surely anything that relaxes you would be just as good. I read a bit of the steroid bible, the bloke in there says he uses steroids to build his muscles, weed to give him a mind to muscle connection when he's training and crack to burn off the fat. But when does the training become drug abuse
Morning: Meth for a morning pick me up.
Morning dose of steroids and growth hormone
Mid morning: Heroin to relax
Lunch: More Heroin and loads of weed to relax
Afternoon: Pre workout drugs, Meth Amphetamine, Cocaine, Crack, Steroids, Pot, PCP & Acid
Pre workout drugs: Heroine and pot
Evening: Smoke loads of weed and heroine to relax, evening steroid dose and growth hormone injections.
Before bed, Growth hormone, steroids, Valium, pot, smack, and barbituates.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 6/6/2006 9:27:45 AM
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Comparing marijuana to heroin is like comparing creatine to roids.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 6/6/2006 11:17:49 AM
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SoCool, that person is 100% lying. His "supps" would soon give him a heart attack. I mean, you simply don't use amphetamines before you're going to do heavy exercise.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 6/6/2006 2:26:17 PM
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You wouldnt get high if u just squeezed out the juice the juice is just the water in the plant. THC is in crystal form. And why would your friend sell the leaves... they have no use at all.
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I don't smoke it. My friend has been living by himself since the hurricane even though he's only 16(he lives in a trailer and his parents live about 30 minutes away in a mansion). He grows it underneath the trailer. I just take a rolling pin and squeeze the juice out and put it in a drink. Then he sells the leaves.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 6/9/2006 9:02:52 PM
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Positive Marijuana information:Mj can relax you thereby decreasing stress induced cortisol.
Initialy when you get high your heart rate goes up and actually gives you a spike of energy, also it increases bloodflow to all parts of the body providing a great body pump, so you can use Mj for a pre workout, or a post workout supplement, But I think you would have the most synergistic effect from using Mj after your workout for enhanced recovery, negative:expensive for the good stuff and illegal, also the cops have a higher priority fo narcotics that steroids.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 8:47:47 PM
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Just to let out a little truth for you unexperienced people.
I blaze ( smoke weed ) Everyday. Im high for atleast 5 hours of the day usually these times will be in the morning, when i wake up. at lunch, so i dont have to go to class sober, cause it sucks (im getting 80s in both classes i smoke weed before). and at night, usually so i can get REALLY hungry and eat a TON of good food and a protein. and then play video games. Im getting good grades in the classes i go to at school. I have smoked weed both before and after hard and not so hard workouts and it doesn't really effect me at all, im the same while sober that i am when im high.
And just so theres no confusion i've gotten lots of gains and the only thing thats different after i smoke weed in the long or short term is that i had more fun than i would have been sober. I probably spend like...40 bucks a week on it, so i still have money for all the supps i need, plus my parents give me money if im in dire need.
Smoke weed... get high, its fun and theres no downside
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 8:54:23 PM
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weed makes me hungry happy and high.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 8:58:39 PM
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I know quite a few people just like cawz......and many are over 40 and very successful in training, work and all around, it is really individual I think, regardless of legality. I also know people who don't smoke because they just fall asleep on it and get lazy.......it really is up to the person to know what they can and cannot handle although I would not suggest any chemical drugs at all, weed is not man made and if you do smoke do ensure you know who you are getting it from, the strain and how it is grown to ensure it is not all polluted with stuff......there is a difference between sellers who sell for the money of it and there is a small community who enjoy pot like wines, they do not use chemicals and keep it all natural, they do not grow and sell tons.....these people, especially if you know them well as people, will usually have clean weed.........the big thing now is meth being sprayed on it to get you addicted to it so be very careful.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 9:04:54 PM
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Here is one study,I got many more,personaly I don't smoke,but to each there own I guess.
How might cannabinoids influence sexual behavior? Nephi Stella*
Department of Pharmacology, Psychiatry, and Behavioral Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-7280
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Marijuana and hashish are widespread drugs of abuse that contain  9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a bioactive ingredient best known for its psychotropic effects. Remarkably, THC also produces multiple nonpsychotropic effects: for example, analgesia, hypotension, modulation of bronchospasm, and reduction of inflammation (1-6). That THC also influences sexual behavior was clearly demonstrated for the first time in the early 1980s; yet the precise molecular mechanism of this effect has remained unsolved. In this issue of PNAS, Mani et al. (2021) revisit these seminal experiments. They identify the molecular target by which THC affects sexual behavior, and unveil a remarkable operative cross talk mechanism between THC and the progesterone and dopamine signaling pathways, which were already known to play a central role in reproductive behavior.
The chemical synthesis of THC was first described in 1964 (2829). In the following years, researchers used synthetic THC to study its diverse biological effects. Whether these effects occurred through receptors or simply by changing plasma membrane fluidity was unknown. One early hypothesis, which has now been abandoned, was that THC could directly bind to the estrogen receptor, thus competing for the sequence of events initiated by estrogen (3435, 3637). Although controversial, this hypothesis had the advantage of stimulating research to ascertain a link between cannabinoids and sexual behavior.
An important step forward in understanding the biological effects of cannabinoids was made in 1988 when Howlett and colleagues (3839) used a high-affinity radioactive cannabinoid ligand, [3H]CP-55,940, to demonstrate the existence of a specific cannabinoid binding site in cell membranes of rat brain. This discovery was shortly followed by the molecular cloning and sequencing of the cannabinoid CB1 and CB2 receptors (4041, 4243). Both receptors are seven transmembrane Gi/o-coupled receptors that display distinct patterns of tissue expression. CB1 receptors are abundantly expressed in the CNS and to a lesser extent in the periphery, whereas CB2 receptors seem to be exclusively expressed by immune cells (4445). It is well known that activation of CB1 receptors modulates the release of various neurotransmitters, which could account for the effects produced by THC on higher cognitive functions (4849, 5051). Engagement of CB2 receptors expressed by circulating macrophages reduces their immune response, which might account for the anti-inflammatory effect produced by THC intake (5455, 5657, 5859).
An influence of THC on reproductive behavior has been suspected for at least 30 years. Studies carried out in the 1960s reported that chronic oral administration of marijuana resin somehow "significantly reduces fertility" in rats (6263). THC can influence reproductive behavior by acting at multiple levels. In males, THC suppresses spermatogenesis, reduces the weight of reproductive organs, decreases the concentration of circulating hormones (such as testosterone) in plasma, and affects some components of sexual behavior. In females, THC prolongs the estrous cycle and decreases the proestrous surge of luteinizing hormone inhibiting ovulation. On the other hand, if THC facilitates sexual behavior: Where does it act? Mani et al. (7273) address these questions by using ovariectomized rats and quantifying lordosis quotient, one of the well characterized components of sexual receptivity. The inhibitory effect of ovariectomy on lordosis is quite dramatic; however, complete receptive behavior can be restored by exogenous hormone administration, such as estradiol benzoate, an estrogen receptor agonist. Ovariectomized animals treated with high doses of THC alone fail to show lordosis, but relatively low doses of THC significantly increase the lordosis primed by estradiol benzoate. By using antagonists against either CB1 or CB2 receptors, namely SR141617A and SR14528, Mani et al. (7879) demonstrate that the effect produced by THC on sexual behavior occurs through engagement of CB1 receptors. This finding is consistent with the fact that CB1 receptors are expressed in the hypothalamus, in particular at the level of the ventromedial nucleus (8283, 8485). Future studies using CB1 knockout mice could unambiguously demonstrate the involvement of CB1 receptors in the THC-induced lordosis (8889, 9091). At this point, however, it was necessary to address the noninvolvement of CB2 receptors, as at least one study suggested their presence in the CNS (9293). Indeed, Mani et al. show that SR14528 does not antagonize the effect produced by THC on lordosis.
Mani et al. identify the molecular target by which THC affects sexual behavior, and unveil a remarkable operative cross talk mechanism between THC and the progesterone and dopamine signaling pathways.
A bell-shaped curve response is often observed with in vivo administration of THC. In this study, Mani et al. (102103) give an interesting rationale for this phenomenon observed on lordosis quotient. At high concentrations, such as 400 ng injected i.c.v., THC reduces motor activity. Thus, the smaller lordosis quotient observed at high concentrations of THC might be attributed to the fact that the females are less mobile, which is obviously important for this behavior.
It has been shown that the estradiol benzoate-induced lordosis is also increased by progesterone and dopamine (108109). The temporal pattern of hormone levels, as well as the behavioral receptivity in intact or ovariectomized estradiol benzoate- and progesterone-primed rats is consistent with an important role for both progesterone and estrogen in the control of sexual receptivity. Interestingly, a molecular mechanism has been proposed for this cross talk between progesterone and estrogen, in which progestin receptors could directly interact with estrogen receptors to activate MAP kinase (110111). Dopamine is also a crucial part of this cross talk mechanism (112113), acting through D1B (also known as dopamine D5 receptors) (114115, 116117). Mani et al. (118119) push this idea one step further and explore the possibility that CB1 receptors are also part of this operative cross talk mechanism modulating sexual behavior. These results are schematized in Fig. 120121. Progesterone acts through progestin receptors. By using receptor antagonists and antisense oligonucleotides, they demonstrate that the increased lordosis induced by THC requires functional progestin and D1B receptors. Furthermore, progesterone's effect requires operative CB1 and D1B receptors. Finally, increased lordosis quotient induced by the D1/D5 agonist, which had previously been shown to require progestin receptors (124125), also requires operative CB1 receptors.
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Fig. 1. Two models that could account for the molecular mechanism underlying the cross talk between 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), progesterone, and dopamine. (A) THC, progesterone, and dopamine act through CB1, progestin (PR), and dopamine D1B receptors, respectively. If the same target cell expresses these three receptors, a cross talk that involves mitogen-activated protein kinase (MAPK) could take place. (B) THC acts through CB1 receptors expressed on dopaminergic terminals, increasing the release of dopamine. Dopamine would then activate D1B receptors, which in turn stimulate the cAMP-protein kinase A, a pathway leading to the phosphorylation of dopamine and cAMP regulated phosphoprotein 32 (DARPP-32) (136137).
Having identified the receptor subtype by which THC, progesterone, and the D1 agonist SKF 38393 increases the lordosis quotient, Mani et al. (140141) propose two models that could account for the molecular mechanism underlying this cross talk. In Fig. 142143A, the MAP kinase signaling pathway is activated by CB1 and D1B receptors, which could then phosphorylate coactivators of progestin receptors. In Fig. 144145B, activation of CB1 receptors modulates the release of dopamine, which in turn activates D1B receptors. The cross talk between D1B and the progestin receptor could occur within the same target cell; possibly through the dopamine and cAMP regulated phosphoprotein 32 (DARPP-32) as a common target protein.
The presence of cannabinoid receptors in different tissues, and the diversity of the biological effects produced by THC suggest the presence of distinct endogenous cannabinoid signaling systems. Two cannabinoid receptors have been identified at the molecular level, with a possible third cannabinoid receptor that has been pharmacologically pinpointed (148149). Two endogenous cannabinoid ligands, namely anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol, have been identified, with at least two additional candidates (31-35). One of the most exciting question in the field of cannabinoid research is to understand the functional role of the endogenous cannabinoid signaling system (152153). How, where, and under which circumstances are these endogenous cannabinoid ligands produced? Are there different endogenous cannabinoid signaling systems for different biological functions? Since THC influences sexual behavior, which endogenous cannabinoid ligand is involved in modulating this biological function through CB1 receptors? It has recently been shown that levels of anandamide fluctuate during the ovarian cycle in both the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland (156157). Could anandamide be involved in regulating sexual behavior? These are only some of the questions opened by Mani et al. (158159).
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 9:07:20 PM
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i dont get hungry when i smoked but i stopped cuz a. the kids i smoked with were really gay and always did it indoors with parents upstairs and they got really hyper which pissed me off cuz i just wanted to chill and listen to music
and b. i started feeling lazy
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 9:15:20 PM
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Im lazy but i never have a lack of motivation to lift the weights or go to the gym just cause i love the feeling of working out.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 9:40:27 PM
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It's good no question. But everyday? damn.
I know someone that smokes pretty much everyday too, it would be really hard to imagine him acctually getting in the gym.
But those antidrug campaigns are a bunch of bs and there's definitely no connection to smoking impairin muscle growth or anything like that. Alcohol is a LOT more detrimental to working out.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 9:55:04 PM
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Cawz
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What people dont understand is that once u do it enough you learn to actually be aware of the fact that your high and not let it control you i guess, if you get what i mean i dunno. Plus i come up with awesome ideas when im high
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 10:22:14 PM
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Doing any mind altering drug every day is a clear sign that you are addicted and looking for an escape from life. I do not use any drugs at all but if you want to smoke weed once a month or so then fine, if you do it more than that you probably have a problem.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/11/2007 10:42:07 PM
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Doing any mind altering drug every day is a clear sign that you are addicted and looking for an escape from life. I do not use any drugs at all but if you want to smoke weed once a month or so then fine, if you do it more than that you probably have a problem.
I don't exactly agree..........my mom who is 72 has been on prescribed drugs, by her doctor, legal stuff, since my dad died 20 years ago.......drugs which are known to be narcotic and addictive, those are much scarier and worse, ritlin, bromazepines and alcohol are much worse and scarier and usually done daily.....many who use bromos also drink as it makes you crave alcohol.......this is a huge issue with elderly causing them falls in numbers which have risen exponentially in the past 10 years.........smoking a joint is much safer, of course I won't suggest she start smoking but just in comparison in the effect that it is much more of a stigma due to propaganda.......like the pitbull issue and other issues used to sway votes and peoples thinking. I much rather see people smoke pot daily rather than drink alcohol - which by the way most of Italians and Portuguese do drink wine daily, even the children, with most meals................not addictive, just traditional and normally not overdone or taken out of hand and also shown that these children don't crave the excitement of drinking because it was never made to be a big deal. Alcohol in North America is a much bigger negative as is smoking cigarettes and done much more than pot smoking. Now ex and coc and those chemically man made are bad and proven so scientifically and non biasedly.
Not too many people who are high go around starting fights and causing **** like when people drink or do chemical drugs such as coc and such.
I think weed can be considered a herbal medicine and know many people who use it daily for cancer, parkinsons, MS and asthma with proven results to the better. Asthmatics use inhalers (I know, been on them since I was six) and have been on drugs that in the past 30 years are far more detrimental to their health than smoking a joint which essential for many asthmatics has the same effect as ventolin which leaves you with much worse immediate and long term side effects than pot.
Prednisone is commonly used once an asthmatic gets sick since they have poor ability to fight lung bugs and head bugs, smoking pot has been known to reduce the need as it helps keep the brochials dilated and helps act as an expectorant which I personally take inhalers for such as advair, tilade and singular.........and even with those drugs some asmatics find they can decrease the use of these drugs through use of smoking pot.
Now if it makes you lazy, do nothing, call in sick and not study THEN you should not smoke it, but for some it actually motivates them and helps them remain productive.....
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/12/2007 12:16:19 AM
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WOW! Man, I smoked every single day for about 7 years. Look at my sig. I quit about six months before I started training and eating for a goal instead of for pleasure, which was at the beginning of 2005. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against weed, in fact, I love it...I LOVE IT! But when I used it, I was fat and lazy, but very happy. Those things could be construed as symptoms of increased estrogen in a male, or they could be because I was always either stoned, curing my munchies or taking a weed nap. The point is, do whatever works for you. If it helps with whatever and doesn't affect your eating habits or your desire to train, then go for it if you want. For me, I realized that I could not achieve my goals with a bong in my face all day, so I quit. We are all different and will react differently to different stimuli.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 2/12/2007 12:31:51 PM
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ok and i smoke everyday and look at MY sig :s its just dependant on the person i guess. I have no trouble eating well or training if i blaze earlier that day or later. the only days i dont train are days which i have hockey on.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 3/18/2007 9:26:56 AM
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I have actually smoked and then worked out after smoking. I feel that it greatly increases your willingness to lift. Although smoking marijuana is viewed as a lethargic, lazy hobby, I have found that it almost gives me a shot of adrenaline because when I lift "high" I can do many more reps than I can when I am not. Give it a try and let me know the results. The key to lifting after smoking marijuana is to set a goal for yourself in your head for instance: when I do curls of lets say 20 lbs I would tell myself in my head that I MUST get to 30 curls on each arm and it is usually good to listen to music durring this. I have found that I get my goal almost every time.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - 3/18/2007 9:16:48 PM
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Just to let out a little truth for you unexperienced people.
I blaze ( smoke weed ) Everyday. Im high for atleast 5 hours of the day usually these times will be in the morning, when i wake up. at lunch, so i dont have to go to class sober, cause it sucks (im getting 80s in both classes i smoke weed before). and at night, usually so i can get REALLY hungry and eat a TON of good food and a protein. and then play video games. Im getting good grades in the classes i go to at school. I have smoked weed both before and after hard and not so hard workouts and it doesn't really effect me at all, im the same while sober that i am when im high.
And just so theres no confusion i've gotten lots of gains and the only thing thats different after i smoke weed in the long or short term is that i had more fun than i would have been sober. I probably spend like...40 bucks a week on it, so i still have money for all the supps i need, plus my parents give me money if im in dire need.
Smoke weed... get high, its fun and theres no downside
lol u missed this thread by 8 months.
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