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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 6:55:09 PM
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gzinkl
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An interesting article not on the dangers of steroid use, but of justifications and behaviors of steroid users.
Soc Sci Med. 2002 Sep;55(5):695-708. Related Articles, Links
Vocabularies of motive for illicit steroid use among bodybuilders.
Monaghan LF.
Cardiff School of Social Sciences, Cardiff University, UK. monaghanlf1@cf.ac.uk
Illicit steroid use, for purposes of performance and physique enhancement, is widely deemed unnecessary, wrong and dangerous. Such activity would appear especially foolhardy when engaged in by non-professional athletes who otherwise adhere to 'healthy' exercise regimens. Here a gap exists between many illicit steroid users' actions and societal expectations. Using qualitative data generated in South Wales, this paper explores bodybuilders' vocabularies of motive for illicit steroid use. These accounts which justified, rather than excused, steroid use were predominant during question situations between the participant observer and the researched. In supporting the fundamental tenets of their drug subculture, and as part of the underlying negotiation of self-identity, respondents espoused three main justifications for their own and/or other bodybuilders' illicit steroid use; namely: self-fulfilment accounts, condemnation of condemners and a denial of injury. Here steroid use was rationalised as a legitimate means to an end, observers passing negative judgements were rejected and it was claimed steroids do not (seriously) harm the user's health or threaten society more generally. These vocabularies of motive, acquired and honoured within bodybuilding settings, comprise a complex of subjective meanings which seem to the actor to be an adequate ground for the conduct in question. Similar to other sociological studies, this paper states that it is imperative to explore the social meanings which illicit drug users attach to their 'risk' practices. Without these understandings, researchers and health promoters may struggle to appreciate fully why illicit drug users behave as they do.
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PMID: 12190264 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 7:23:32 PM
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Yes I did say I would be of some help but the way your spouting off those ?'s its as if you trying to prove something and there is nothing to prove. I use steroids doesnt make me a bad person. I have no health probs even after 10 years of use. Do i look like an ifbb pro? Nope sure dont those guys are geneticaly blessed just like every highschool baseball player cant take it and be babe ruth i cant take it and be jay cutler. As far as the character of steroid users once again speculation and hear say.
You seem quite defensive. He's asking a lot of questions because he's curious. Just answer, that's what you offered.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 7:40:22 PM
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Well, I was thinking it, but apparently G has been to the DSRM IV. LOL!
Seriously. That is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Every person I've ever spoken to or associated with who espoused or took a position in favor of a behavior the entire (legitimate) medical and scientific community considered harmful to your long-term health, their tactics and rationale are always the same:
- EVERYONE who "badmouths" steroids is wrong about the adverse effects. This usually comes with the conspiracy theory that claims all anti-steroid science is just propaganda dreamed up by the FDA, because they can't regulate or control steroids (or any other elicit drugs, for that matter).
- I've been to the "dark side", and I'm fine, so shut up.
- It's not a miracle in a bottle, I had to bust my ass for my gains, even on steroids. Funny, only the ignorant believe it is a miracle in a bottle -but the issue stands: if you stuck to the very same hard work and diet you claim to have toiled through, while avoiding steroids, you would not have accomplished the results you did. Hard work or no, you can't escape the fact that you are, were, and always will be POWERLESS to accomplish what you have without cheating.
- My steroid use has no adverse effect whatsoever on other people's willingness to flout the law. I'm not encouraging lawlessness at all by advocating the incredibly selfish path I chose.
Not suprisingly, this kind of denial is typical of how every drug user I've ever known talks about his habbit. It's self-serving and nearsighted in the extreme.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 7:45:09 PM
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gzinkl
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ORIGINAL: veggeep
Well, I was thinking it, but apparently G has been to the DSRM IV. LOL!
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And I thought I'd be in sparse company knowing what the DSRM is! But I always forget about the veg! (For the record, in another life, I was married to a clinical social worker, and I typed every one of her *&&^%$#@! papers for her when she was in grad school. Not only did I learn what the d**n thing is, I could even cite it properly. ARGH!)
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 7:51:40 PM
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One other thing I forgot to mention. We can make all the assumptions we want about people who use steroids, and we can argue ad nauseam about the validity of one claim vs. another, but one thing remains true, as long as there are people willing to thumb their nose at the law and take shortcuts: their actions will forever impugn and cast into suspicion the good intentions of people who excel in natural bodybuilding and want to be taken seriously for their efforts.
The court of public opinion is a very unforgiving place. Would that the actions of a few greedy, insecure people didn't cast a pallor of cynicism over the entire sport 
If you advocate steroid use, you not only forfeit the right to be taken seriously for your gains, you have pissed all over the sport and stolen that privilege from everyone else in the process.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 7:59:16 PM
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Pissed on the sport? The sport that is made popular by professionals? Professionals who are the biggest steroids users on the planet. haha yeah im bad for the sport. U know i came here and i offered to help anyone who wanted to know about steroids because no one else seemd to want to do anything but tell them they are losers but obviously you want to look down ur noses at me because i choose this. The sad thing is I bet the majority of u bad mouthing steroid users would be star struck if you actually ever met a pro.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:08:37 PM
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No, I was wondering if you were doing this all under a doctor's supervision. I'm not badmouthing you, but you do seem overly sensitive.
It seems, however, that if such drug use is illegal, that should be made clear at all times. Such a blotch on your record can ruin careers (said the guy who just applied to take a state bar exam, and had to spill on every bad act from conception, including any unnecessary jostling in the womb. They didn't show up with an interrogation team, thank god for budget cuts). But I digress.
BTW, I'm not sure what your point is about being star-struck. I'm star-struck by champions (recognized or not) like Old Navy, Marc, and Veggeep. They are heroes to me in the bodybuilding realm.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:09:12 PM
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The sad thing is I bet the majority of u bad mouthing steroid users would be star struck if you actually ever met a pro.
No, genius. The sad thing is that YOU THINK THAT.
Bodybuilding pre-dates steroid use -by almost a CENTURY. Just because you have written off every accomplishment in this sport that wasn't acquired without chemical assistance doesn't mean the rest of us have too. Don't project your own lopsided priorities on me.
There isn't a steroid-using professional alive who has my admiration. You have to EARN that.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:26:00 PM
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I admire old navy aswell. His name is actually what brought me to this board. Saw him competing at the show here in montgomery. Hell like i said I admire anyone who can do it naturally. Never once did i say any different. I just choose to go another route. Thats why im not understanding all this hostility im recieving. No one is going to make me feel bad for what im doing and im sure not a lesser person. I was shot 7 times in afghanistan fighting for this country. I know what kind of person I am. So let me try to end this bickering. All you natural guys you have my respect anyone who goes another route if you have a ? I will be more than happy to help u just be respectful about it.quote:
ORIGINAL: gzinkl
No, I was wondering if you were doing this all under a doctor's supervision. I'm not badmouthing you, but you do seem overly sensitive.
It seems, however, that if such drug use is illegal, that should be made clear at all times. Such a blotch on your record can ruin careers (said the guy who just applied to take a state bar exam, and had to spill on every bad act from conception, including any unnecessary jostling in the womb. They didn't show up with an interrogation team, thank god for budget cuts). But I digress.
BTW, I'm not sure what your point is about being star-struck. I'm star-struck by champions (recognized or not) like Old Navy, Marc, and Veggeep. They are heroes to me in the bodybuilding realm.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:31:44 PM
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U know i came here and i offered to help anyone who wanted to know about steroids because no one else seemd to want to do anything but tell them they are losers but obviously you want to look down ur noses at me because i choose this.
Look you probably know a LOT about usage, dosage, and the proper cycles. I have no doubts, not even questioning that. I'm not judging you on your decision to use them or not. I'm judging you on your choice to come to a bodybuilding board that has a clear direction not to dive into the usage of them as ignorant as we may be.
Hell I'm an ignorant bastard about it.
But you know what?
I don't care. It's part of the sport. It's not one I care to learn anything about as it has no place in my life or the lives of anybody who wants to do this all-natural.
If people need or want to know about steroids and the usage and such, they can find other boards. There's nothing illegal about talking about them right?
That's not the direction I will allow this board to take.
Am I turning a blind eye to a major part of bodybuilding?
Yes.
I choose to focus on the natural aspect of it.
While I fully respect and accept your position and choice to use them properly, I cannot overlook the fact you are trying to do something that I've asked people to go elsewhere to talk about.
There are TONS of other well qualified boards that know steroids like nobody's business.
That's not DB.
Simply isn't.
Never wanted it to be. DB wasn't created to be a place to go to find out more info about steroids.
You can make your own choices in life. But please respect my intentions and Kris when we started DiscussBodybuilding.com.
"Listen, if you're going to base your steroid decisions about cycles, stacks, dosages etc. on this "free" information, without knowing the credentials of the person giving it (as is the case on these free boards), then frankly my friend, I'm sorry to say it, but you are incredibly ****ing stupid. "- Mick Hart
Now if you have OTHER information to share like sets, reps, exercises, expereince with OTC supplements, programs, nutrition..
Hell bro.. SPEAK UP!
You seem like you know a lot of stuff.
Please enlighten us. 
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:33:07 PM
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The sad thing is ten years of lifting could have given you the body you wanted if you trained like you say. You wouldn't have hit 185 that fast but you would have grown more consistently over the ten years. People can go 135-220 if you do everything right. or you can juice. good luck and take care of yourself you only have one body.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:35:11 PM
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Marc David
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Thats why im not understanding all this hostility im recieving.
For me it's because I'm confused?
Are you here to help out DB in terms of natural bodybuilding?
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U know i came here and i offered to help anyone who wanted to know about steroids
Are you here to enlighten some of us about steroids in specific or general?
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I was shot 7 times in afghanistan fighting for this country.
Thank you. I sincerely mean that. I support our troops 100% no questions asked. Maybe not the policy and politics but you guys? Absolutely without a question.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:36:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marc David
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U know i came here and i offered to help anyone who wanted to know about steroids because no one else seemd to want to do anything but tell them they are losers but obviously you want to look down ur noses at me because i choose this.
Look you probably know a LOT about usage, dosage, and the proper cycles. I have no doubts, not even questioning that. I'm not judging you on your decision to use them or not. I'm judging you on your choice to come to a bodybuilding board that has a clear direction not to dive into the usage of them as ignorant as we may be.
Hell I'm an ignorant bastard about it.
But you know what?
I don't care. It's part of the sport. It's not one I care to learn anything about as it has no place in my life or the lives of anybody who wants to do this all-natural.
If people need or want to know about steroids and the usage and such, they can find other boards. There's nothing illegal about talking about them right?
That's not the direction I will allow this board to take.
Am I turning a blind eye to a major part of bodybuilding?
Yes.
I choose to focus on the natural aspect of it.
While I fully respect and accept your position and choice to use them properly, I cannot overlook the fact you are trying to do something that I've asked people to go elsewhere to talk about.
There are TONS of other well qualified boards that know steroids like nobody's business.
That's not DB.
Simply isn't.
Never wanted it to be. DB wasn't created to be a place to go to find out more info about steroids.
You can make your own choices in life. But please respect my intentions and Kris when we started DiscussBodybuilding.com.
"Listen, if you're going to base your steroid decisions about cycles, stacks, dosages etc. on this "free" information, without knowing the credentials of the person giving it (as is the case on these free boards), then frankly my friend, I'm sorry to say it, but you are incredibly ****ing stupid. "- Mick Hart
Now if you have OTHER information to share like sets, reps, exercises, expereince with OTC supplements, programs, nutrition..
Hell bro.. SPEAK UP!
You seem like you know a lot of stuff.
Please enlighten us.
Bro I didnt start this thread I was simply joining in the discussion.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:45:21 PM
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Ok no more steroid talk from me. As ive mentined several time now i respect u guys completely. I just hate seeing a guy told he's a loser right off the hop for even asking about it.
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RE: roids - 6/28/2006 8:55:20 PM
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Tell us about your diet, your workout, your rest time...just not about your cycles !
I'm sure you can help many members here with your knowledge and experiences.
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