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3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!!
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| Whey, Creatine, Glutamine |
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/12/2006 9:50:50 AM
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docturJAG
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A study that directly links L-Glutamine supplementation to increased strength and muscle size for body builders does not have to have been done. It may be true without a study having been done to prove it. In my opinion, there is a burden on those of you who are saying that L-Glutamine is "junk" to cite studies that support the claim that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective (I purchase a 200 day supply for $25). There is published biochemical literature that clearly defines myriad roles of L-Glutamine in the human body (FASEB Journal, July 1988; 2: 2591-2595). This particular study does not talk about bodybuilding, but it is an excellent overview of many cellular and biochemical processes that L-Glutamine is a part of. If you truly understand BC/CMB then you will be able to see how L-Glutamine supplementation is probably a positive thing for bodybuilders. Not to mention that many individuals, including myself, see noticable results from L-Glutamine supplementation. Shaq has clearly given more than enough reason that L-Glutamine supplementation is beneficial in general to overall health. Considering the fact that creatine and NO products sell for far more $ than L-Glutamine, and they are not linked to general overall health in the way that L-Glutamine is, I would say that your contention that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective is ridiculous (that is, unless you are willing to say that any supplementation at all that costs money is not cost effective).
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/12/2006 10:37:59 AM
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ShaqAtack
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ORIGINAL: docturJAG
A study that directly links L-Glutamine supplementation to increased strength and muscle size for body builders does not have to have been done. It may be true without a study having been done to prove it. In my opinion, there is a burden on those of you who are saying that L-Glutamine is "junk" to cite studies that support the claim that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective (I purchase a 200 day supply for $25). There is published biochemical literature that clearly defines myriad roles of L-Glutamine in the human body (FASEB Journal, July 1988; 2: 2591-2595). This particular study does not talk about bodybuilding, but it is an excellent overview of many cellular and biochemical processes that L-Glutamine is a part of. If you truly understand BC/CMB then you will be able to see how L-Glutamine supplementation is probably a positive thing for bodybuilders. Not to mention that many individuals, including myself, see noticable results from L-Glutamine supplementation. Shaq has clearly given more than enough reason that L-Glutamine supplementation is beneficial in general to overall health. Considering the fact that creatine and NO products sell for far more $ than L-Glutamine, and they are not linked to general overall health in the way that L-Glutamine is, I would say that your contention that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective is ridiculous (that is, unless you are willing to say that any supplementation at all that costs money is not cost effective).
I do agree with this reasoning. There are so many things that glutamine does, and if you increase its absorption into the body through the ways I've described, it will give you all those benefits. It gives the body "what it needs" to heal itself (not just muscle tissue, but all other smooth tissues as well). It is not a building block of muscle mass, however it is a major regulatory factor in the anabolic/catabolic bodily responses.
I am NOT suggesting most people are deficient in bodily glutamine. However, mental stress increases the need for it, and of course physical stress (weightlifting) causes huge losses in glutamine. So bodybuilders are the most likely group to suffer from glutamine deficiency. So it makes sense to to look for an absorbable glutamine source or to purchase soy products (higher absorbable glutamine than meats) at the grocery store.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/12/2006 1:35:20 PM
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SkInnYTwiG
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/13/2006 7:20:21 AM
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What are you bumping Twig, I saw of thought this discussion ran its course.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/13/2006 6:29:42 PM
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Twin Peak
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What are you bumping Twig, I saw of thought this discussion ran its course.
You know, I missed the last three or four posts. Regardless, it has still run its course. I will add, however, that it is ABSURD to think that the burden should be on someone to DISPROVE efficacy. That is not science.
Moreover, the notion that L-Glut is useful in the body, is irrelevant to the dietary supplementation of L-Glut unless you can show that it is bioavailable.
These comments are directed to doctorJAG, and not Shaq, since we have had this discussion already.
Finally, to compare it to creatine is PATENTLY silly, since there are dozens of studies showing that dietary supplementation of creatine orally has a direct correlation with increase blood levels of creatine and increase muscle and strength gains. And creatine mono is cheap as can be.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/15/2006 5:20:01 AM
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Robboe
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ORIGINAL: docturJAG
A study that directly links L-Glutamine supplementation to increased strength and muscle size for body builders does not have to have been done. It may be true without a study having been done to prove it. In my opinion, there is a burden on those of you who are saying that L-Glutamine is "junk" to cite studies that support the claim that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective (I purchase a 200 day supply for $25). There is published biochemical literature that clearly defines myriad roles of L-Glutamine in the human body (FASEB Journal, July 1988; 2: 2591-2595). This particular study does not talk about bodybuilding, but it is an excellent overview of many cellular and biochemical processes that L-Glutamine is a part of. If you truly understand BC/CMB then you will be able to see how L-Glutamine supplementation is probably a positive thing for bodybuilders. Not to mention that many individuals, including myself, see noticable results from L-Glutamine supplementation. Shaq has clearly given more than enough reason that L-Glutamine supplementation is beneficial in general to overall health. Considering the fact that creatine and NO products sell for far more $ than L-Glutamine, and they are not linked to general overall health in the way that L-Glutamine is, I would say that your contention that L-Glutamine supplementation is not cost effective is ridiculous (that is, unless you are willing to say that any supplementation at all that costs money is not cost effective).
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/15/2006 5:20:57 AM
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Robboe
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ORIGINAL: Twin Peak
What are you bumping Twig, I saw of thought this discussion ran its course.
He's bumping for shaq to post the studies he was referring to a few posts back.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/15/2006 6:02:22 AM
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SkInnYTwiG
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I guess he's doesnt have em?
Oh well... Goodbye post :P
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/15/2006 7:54:32 AM
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ShaqAtack
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ORIGINAL: SkInnYTwiG
I guess he's doesnt have em?
Oh well... Goodbye post :P
I was agreeing with his rhetorical argument about how important glutamine is for the body. I had already said, I'm not going to bother to post the studies when they may fall on deaf ears. Also, how am I know what "bump" is supposed to mean in response to my post? Did you ever consider asking me for the studies?
Bishop, N.C., Blannin, Walsh, A.K., et al., "Nutritional Aspects of immunosuppression in Athletes," Sports Medicine, 28: 151-176, 1999
Bowtell, J.L., Gelly, K., Jackman, N.L., et al., "Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise," Journal of Applied Physiology, 86: 1770-1777, 1999.
Castell, L.M., and Newsholme, E.A., "The effects of oral glutamine supplementation on athletes after prolonged, exhaustive exercise," Nutrition, 13: 738-742, 1997.
Kingsbury, K.J., Kay, L., Hjelm, M., "Contrasting plasma free amino acid patterns in elite athletes: association with fatigue and infection," British Journal of Sports Medicine, 32: 25-32, 1998.
MacLennon, P.A., Smith, K., Weryk, B., et al., "Inhibition of protein breakdown by glutamine in perfused rat skeletal muscle," FEBS Letters, 237: 133-136, 1988.
MacLennon, P.A., Brown, R.A. and Rennie, M.J., "A positive relationship between protein synthetic rate and intracellular glutamine concentration in perfused rat skeletal muscle," FEBS Letters, 215: 187-191, 1987.
Rennie, M., Ahmed, A., Khogali, S.E., et al., "Glutamine metabolism and transport in skeletal muscle and heart and their clinical relevance," Journal of Nutrition, 126: 1142S-11395S, 1996.
Varnier, M., Leese, G.P., Thompson, J., et al., "Stimulatory effect of glutamine on glycogen accumulation in skeletal muscle," American Journal of Physiology, 269: E309-E315, 1995.
And this ends my contribution to this thread. I have no interest in proving anything conclusively to anybody. Should the common bodybuildier supplement glutamine? You decide after all the information in this post.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/15/2006 8:18:32 AM
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rucknmaul
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here is some more to add on...
Did You Know That Glutamine is Solely Responsible For Over 35% of The Nitrogen That Enters The Muscle?
Now for the exciting news -
In a recent release of the prestigious American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the results of a study on glutamine revealed that a single 2 gram oral dose of glutamine elevated circulating growth hormone levels by over 430%! That’s right - 430%! Significant? You bet your ass it is. With GL3 you’ll be able to effortlessly increase your growth hormone levels by over 430%!
By keeping a consistently high level of circulating growth hormone, you are able to combat the catabolic effects of weight training, harness the anabolic activity of increased glucose and amino acid uptake, improve whole body nitrogen retention, and increase lean tissue protein accrual. Supplementing with GL3 L-Glutamine may just be the most effective way of assisting new muscle growth!
Just though you should know...
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/16/2006 5:12:04 AM
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Robboe
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ORIGINAL: ShaqAtack
And this ends my contribution to this thread. I have no interest in proving anything conclusively to anybody. Should the common bodybuildier supplement glutamine? You decide after all the information in this post.
Just scanned the research you cited. here is my summary.
Bishop, N.C., Blannin, Walsh, A.K., et al., "Nutritional Aspects of immunosuppression in Athletes," Sports Medicine, 28: 151-176, 1999
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10541440&dopt=Abstract
-- Where does this mention glutamine? Do you have the full text?
Bowtell, J.L., Gelly, K., Jackman, N.L., et al., "Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise," Journal of Applied Physiology, 86: 1770-1777, 1999.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10368336&dopt=Abstract
-- Flawed study - they recieved a 2hr constant infusion of glucose.
Castell, L.M., and Newsholme, E.A., "The effects of oral glutamine supplementation on athletes after prolonged, exhaustive exercise," Nutrition, 13: 738-742, 1997.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9263279&dopt=Abstract
-- Used marathon and extreme-endurance athletes. No comments on muscle mass, only immune system.
Kingsbury, K.J., Kay, L., Hjelm, M., "Contrasting plasma free amino acid patterns in elite athletes: association with fatigue and infection," British Journal of Sports Medicine, 32: 25-32, 1998.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=Contrasting+plasma+free+amino+acid+patterns+in+elite+athletes%3A+association+with+fatigue+and+infection
-- This has nothing to do with glutamine supplementation
MacLennon, P.A., Smith, K., Weryk, B., et al., "Inhibition of protein breakdown by glutamine in perfused rat skeletal muscle," FEBS Letters, 237: 133-136, 1988.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=Inhibition+of+protein+breakdown+by+glutamine+in+perfused+rat+skeletal+muscle
-- Done in rats, so not hugely significant for humans. Also states that glutamine inhibits soluble protein breakdown, not myofibrillar.
MacLennon, P.A., Brown, R.A. and Rennie, M.J., "A positive relationship between protein synthetic rate and intracellular glutamine concentration in perfused rat skeletal muscle," FEBS Letters, 215: 187-191, 1987.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=A+positive+relationship+between+protein+synthetic+rate+and+intracellular+glutamine+concentration+in+perfused+rat+skeletal+muscle
-- Again, in rats. The administration was to bath the muscle in the solution, which is hardly apt for us. Not to mention the full text reveals that the perfusiate also contains glucose and increased levels of BCAA along with the glutamine. This "positive relationship" is a misnomer.
Rennie, M., Ahmed, A., Khogali, S.E., et al., "Glutamine metabolism and transport in skeletal muscle and heart and their clinical relevance," Journal of Nutrition, 126: 1142S-11395S, 1996.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8642447&dopt=Abstract
-- I'd need to read the full text of this to find the value in it for recommending glutamine.
Varnier, M., Leese, G.P., Thompson, J., et al., "Stimulatory effect of glutamine on glycogen accumulation in skeletal muscle," American Journal of Physiology, 269: E309-E315, 1995.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7653548&dopt=Abstract
-- Infusion for an hour only lead to a 16% increase in glutamine in the muscle. Not to mention the increase glycogen was not significant and certainly doesn't warrant glutamine use or purchase.
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Like i said a few days ago, there is no compelling research into glutamine for bodybuilders or trained strength performance athletes that makes me want to change my stance on it.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/16/2006 5:13:32 AM
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Robboe
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Sorry that it is a bit slap-dash.
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RE: 3 PRIORITY SUPPS POLL!! - 5/16/2006 5:16:04 AM
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Robboe
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ORIGINAL: rucknmaul
here is some more to add on...
Did You Know That Glutamine is Solely Responsible For Over 35% of The Nitrogen That Enters The Muscle?
Now for the exciting news -
In a recent release of the prestigious American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the results of a study on glutamine revealed that a single 2 gram oral dose of glutamine elevated circulating growth hormone levels by over 430%! That’s right - 430%! Significant? You bet your ass it is. With GL3 you’ll be able to effortlessly increase your growth hormone levels by over 430%!
By keeping a consistently high level of circulating growth hormone, you are able to combat the catabolic effects of weight training, harness the anabolic activity of increased glucose and amino acid uptake, improve whole body nitrogen retention, and increase lean tissue protein accrual. Supplementing with GL3 L-Glutamine may just be the most effective way of assisting new muscle growth!
Just though you should know...
Don't reference an AST ad as proof.
The difference in hGH levels makes very little difference.
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