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RE: best fat burn by designer supplements - 4/23/2006 6:24:29 PM
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Twin Peak
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I had just visited your website to look at your top fat burner "Melting Point" which is simply a combination of fatty acids. Now if you'll remember, I challenged you to show me a fat-loss supplement that does not include one of the 6 basic nutrients, becaue I can get that all from food.
There is no doubt your supplement has worth for losing fat because of insulin supression alone (if carbs were low you could start arguing about ketosis metabolisms), but I can get all the same effects with a properly-designed diet which includes flaxseed and other healthy seed or nuts oils. Why is it essential that we get your supplement to accomplish that task? Is it for the convenience alone?
Out of curiosity, can the chemist behind the scenes get me the chemical formulas of your fatty acid blend?
The chemical formulas are all on our bottles and website, you didn't search that hard. And its not something you will find in sufficient quantities in your diet either.
Anywho, there are not direct clinical studies of our products (and if there were, they would be done by us and you would discount them anyway, right?). But there are direct clinical studies of all of almost all of our ingredients in our products. And our write-ups are all referenced, for your convenience.
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Why is it essential that we get your supplement to accomplish that task?
You seem to keep missing the point. I NEVER said ANY supplement was essential. NONE ARE. They are SUPPLEMENTS -- the definition of which is that they ADD TO your diet and workouts. Other appropriate words are enhance, optimize. I'd never use the word essential.
You seem hell bend on trying to disprove a positive I never held. Not sure why, frankly.
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RE: best fat burn by designer supplements - 4/23/2006 6:31:17 PM
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interesting modagg very interesting
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RE: best fat burn by designer supplements - 4/23/2006 7:39:15 PM
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modagg
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i was just trying to ease the tension baby. all im saying is who cares if its stuff u can get if you eat the "perfect diet", cuz i dont and dont know many ppl that do.
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RE: best fat burn by designer supplements - 4/23/2006 8:21:40 PM
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ShaqAtack
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Thank you Robboe for the helpful response. Those studies you posted can possibly help me understand the mecahnism of action. It's clearly in its infancy of study!
To 40 yard dash: I said it was a combination of fatty acids, merely regurgitating what I saw on your website in the product description. I apologize if saying "just fatty acids" offended you and all of your many colleagues on this forum. It was probably a mistake on my part to word it like that, but I was looking for a supplement that didn't have any of the 6 major nutrients in it, which prompted the "just fatty acid" remark. I'm sure you've done some research before formulating your product.
About fats in general now. Fats are helpful for fat loss (ironically) because of its insulin-controlling properties. Insulin can store glycogen in the muscles, increase protein synthesis, or store fat. It can do either of the three things just as easily. Only around the workout time will insulin replace glycogen and increase protein synthesis to a large degree. However, around non-workout times, if glycogen stores have filled up, insulin will store excess carbohydrates as fat. And so the consumption of less carbohydrates (particularly simple) and consumption of more nut/seed fats during nonworkout periods can help limit fat storage. However, fat will not help bodyfat loss if your carbohydrate intake is high at the same time. Fats can also help strengthen the cellular membranes to aid in cell nutrition, and preventing cell disintegration which causes potassium and other key minerals to leave the cell, raising its pH, and then exposing the DNA to free radicals adhered to the phospholipid cell surface. Fats help reduce inflammation in the body providing extra lubrication to the cellular fluids and thinning the blood serum. Fats will also be broken down to form ATP in the aerobic energy system, after carbohydrates, but before muscle protein. And so this is why I say do aerobics to burn fat, and reduce carbohydrates.
To Twin Peak: I'm not going to argue about this issue. I didn't look very hard on your website no. I had limited time this afternoon. I'm lucky I looked at it at all today. All I looked at was the description of the product as a combination of fatty acids just to find out what the main ingredient was. On a chemical level, I know the many roles of lipids in the body, hence the tone of my response. But I do apologize for saying "just a combination of fatty acids". I didn't mean that in a derrogatory sense. But once I found out macronutrients were in it, I kind of washed my hand of the issue, because I already knew omega 3 oils can help reduce bodyfat through the discussed pathways. And fats are fats. They have certain properties about them in the bodily fluids and cells. None are superfats that do magical things, they just provide the body with important nutrition to do what it needs to do efficiently.
And lastly, remember the difference between chemical "names" and chemical "formulas". True, now that I have the chemical names and the names and robboe's kind scientific reference list I have more chemical information on the substance. So maybe in the next month I will look it over.
And to modagg: You pretty much get at the bottom line. I like that. :) And yes, if the product works for you, that is great, and that is the ultimate proof. However, your pocket will be emptier when perhaps a wiser and more disciplined use of food could have done the same thing for the same grocery bill. Just something to think about.
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RE: best fat burn by designer supplements - 4/24/2006 6:49:28 PM
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Twin Peak
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I am essentially done here.
Honestly, Shaq, you appeared up for a good, healthy and fun debate. But you aren't playing fair. You make comments that are scathing generalities, and then when it it is pointed out how and why they don't apply here, you revert to ad hominem. Its like trying to grab a running stream of water. Its not possible.
If you wish to have a logic discussion, I may rejoin. Otherwise, I'll move to another thread where things of substance are said.
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