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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 8:03:27 PM
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The Ectomorph
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go with a slow time acting protein like an egg protein before bed so it can help heal u better when u sleep, and take your 100 percent whey 2 to 5 grams per pound of body weight per day
2-5 i think is over doing it :/
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 8:18:19 PM
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100 percent whey 2 to 5 grams per pound of body weight per day
WTF is that! NOT!
That is 1400 to 3500 calories from whey.
322 to 800 grams of protein from whey...that could be fatal.
Get your protein from foods.
.7-.9 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.
Supplement with the whey only if you have trouble meeting your needs with food.
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The jury may still be out on the long-term health effects of artificial sweeteners like NutraSweet, but you should have serious reservations about consuming large amounts of any food additive that has no known nutritive value.
Nice Veggeep.
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 8:23:06 PM
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The jury may still be out on the long-term health effects of artificial sweeteners like NutraSweet, but you should have serious reservations about consuming large amounts of any food additive that has no known nutritive value.
Nice Veggeep.
Yes, I agree, but couldn't you say that for anything that is not an additive, but has little nutritional value for your calorie (or wallet) buck? e.g., sugar? pop (soda)? bleached, de-germed flour? etc. etc. etc.
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 8:45:04 PM
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couldn't you say that for anything that is not an additive, but has little nutritional value for your calorie (or wallet) buck? e.g., sugar? pop (soda)? bleached, de-germed flour? etc. etc. etc.
Good point!
Aren't those the dubious pseudo-nutritive food additives? 
In a Report in the American Journal Of Clinical Nutrition:
"Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity" by: Bray, Nielsen, Popkin They talk about the effects of all the pseudo-nutritive foods and how some like HFCS can preferentially store as fat before meeting energy needs or other metabolic functions. This may be seen in the simultaneous occurrence of obesity and and malnutrition rampant in America...oh..since HFCS does provide easily fat store-able calories but does not calm the appetite...that would be a problem..since in trials it simply lead the body to under-estimate and thus to over-consume calories.
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 8:57:07 PM
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SWOLE
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100 percent whey 2 to 5 grams per pound of body weight per day
WTF is that! NOT!
That is 1400 to 3500 calories from whey.
322 to 800 grams of protein from whey...that could be fatal.
Get your protein from foods.
.7-.9 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.
Supplement with the whey only if you have trouble meeting your needs with food.
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The jury may still be out on the long-term health effects of artificial sweeteners like NutraSweet, but you should have serious reservations about consuming large amounts of any food additive that has no known nutritive value.
Nice Veggeep.
what? fatal my ass im still alive and i have my liver values checked monthly and there doing fine,2-5 grams of whey is not to much its the max anyone should take from whey alone but ofcourse u should get proteins from solids as well, its all depending on the individuals goals on how big they wanna get
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 9:21:04 PM
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SWOLE
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Who said anything about the liver?
why else would u think it could be fatal besides liver function?
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/26/2006 10:10:39 PM
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Other than the obvious issues with consuming in excess of 2.5 times one's needs...which are more significant when from protein isolates?:
Calcium depletion
Potassium depletion
Fluid Depletion...dehydration, etc
Ammonification
and the Slowed protein absorption from consuming high protein, assuming one is balancing that with low carbs...and therefor glucagon is released to turn proteins (58% of those consumed) into glucose for energy...at the same time suppressing protein synthesis (muscle building.)
If phosphorus intake increases with protein intake...as it does in a diet derived from food sources...these problems are mostly mitigated.
A diet with excess protein and a high-protein diet must be distinguished.
To its credit, the argument FOR a high-protein diet is made quite well here:
http://www.nwspine.com/Lib-Protein.htm
800 grams from a protein isolate...the liver has shown it is good upwards of 600g when healthy. However to eat this way on an ongoing basis...hmmm
Let us not forget the Cambridge High Protein diet deaths due to losses of potassium, etc.
Swole..are you actually taking in 1000g + whey in addition to your diet?
For clarity, that is 11 measured cups of dry pure whey powder.
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/27/2006 7:47:59 AM
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SWOLE
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ORIGINAL: danmirage
Other than the obvious issues with consuming in excess of 2.5 times one's needs...which are more significant when from protein isolates?:
Calcium depletion
Potassium depletion
Fluid Depletion...dehydration, etc
Ammonification
and the Slowed protein absorption from consuming high protein, assuming one is balancing that with low carbs...and therefor glucagon is released to turn proteins (58% of those consumed) into glucose for energy...at the same time suppressing protein synthesis (muscle building.)
If phosphorus intake increases with protein intake...as it does in a diet derived from food sources...these problems are mostly mitigated.
A diet with excess protein and a high-protein diet must be distinguished.
To its credit, the argument FOR a high-protein diet is made quite well here:
http://www.nwspine.com/Lib-Protein.htm
800 grams from a protein isolate...the liver has shown it is good upwards of 600g when healthy. However to eat this way on an ongoing basis...hmmm
Let us not forget the Cambridge High Protein diet deaths due to losses of potassium, etc.
Swole..are you actually taking in 1000g + whey in addition to your diet?
For clarity, that is 11 measured cups of dry pure whey powder.
thats what milk, vitamins and drinking atleast a gallon of water a day come in place with a high supp intake like that
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/27/2006 8:28:42 AM
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i am taking the GNC Creatine Burst, but i would recomend more the AST brand Creating HSC. AST is a trustworthy brand.
Also, creatin is said to aid in protein synthesis. And, mostly is good for faster recovery.
www.ast-ss.com
they also have an awsome routine to follow too. MAX-OT
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/27/2006 11:31:03 AM
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The Ectomorph
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Ya i probably wont have to worry about bad advice from SWOLE soon...
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/27/2006 12:08:06 PM
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SWOLE
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Ya i probably wont have to worry about bad advice from SWOLE soon...
thats right ectomorph all good advice here
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RE: QUESTION TO THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR STUFF*** - 3/27/2006 3:56:16 PM
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chisum1357
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dude i would go with the advice the guy at the gym gave you. and test boosters will more than likely just screw you up in the long run anyways.
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