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RE: For Gaining Mass - 1/26/2008 7:09:59 PM
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Dolman
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Oh that makes so much sense! I wasn't even thinking in terms of set/rep volume.
But thanks, that really puts it into perspective!
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 1/29/2008 7:47:19 PM
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/5/2008 7:54:07 PM
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Dolman
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Hope this isn't too off topic-
Sweet Potatoes
-How long do you cook your sweet potatoes and what temp? I've been doing 350 for an hour but you talk about yours being 'SOFT'
-How do you store them to reheat during the week? I've kept them in tuperwear but it seems to lock in the moisture and make the potatoes yucky
-Do you eat anything on them? Honey, etc
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 3:54:30 PM
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I've been doing a pretty good job eating clean for the last 2 months. Everything is going well except I'm starting to get these stomach cramps/ pains.
It just started about 2 weeks ago, and they usually happen sometime after a meal .
Do you have any ideas Dan?
If the problem persists much longer I'm going to my doctor, but I was curious if this is possible nutrition related. I haven't changed too much in my diet, and I've tried to find patterns of certain foods that cause this, but to no avail.
If it matters I'm eating 4000 calories a day at 55% Carb 15% Pro 30% Fat.
They feel like a mix of stomach cramps, and the feeling of having to throw up-- and usually resolve themselves within an hour. (Sometimes worse than others)
It's just odd because I'm now getting more vitamins and minerals than ever before and things seem to be going good.
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 6:41:20 PM
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biga273
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is NO explode good for a beginner
14 years
weight 150
dont really ever work out till 3 weeks ago
my bench is around 160
but i hate free weights
wired weights r better for me
height 5'8
and is one scoop good cause im kinda on a low budget
i have been doin intese workouts
is NO explode going to actully give me good results
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 6:51:54 PM
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danmirage
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No.
Save your money and buy quality food.
That is your best friend as far as growth.
If you want to see a training response for very little money..
Something like this:
Creatine Monohydrate <--- (link)
1 hour pre workout 3-5 grams
DO NOT TAKE ARGANINE WITHIN 4 HOURS OF YOUR TRAINING!
You can use it PURE before bed! (Not NO FORMULA's with astimulants!!!!)
L-Arganine (the main constituent of NO supplements) supresses the growth hormone spike you should get from just good hard training!
That is the latest real research on it. No BS.
Effect on Growth hormones of pre or post workout arganine:
Just training Gives the highest
Just arganine gives the next highest
Arganine + training gives the lowest
Apparently the body has a feedback loop so it will take only 1 GH spiking event and the next event causes a negative feedback.
Training alone causes the highest spike!
L-Arganine before bed will give you all the NO benefits you want for the next day+
Most NOs on the market are really too low in dose (4-6 grams L-Arganine) to obtain the proper training effect, they are mostly stimulants (caffeine) and really, that is not what you want when bulking! Even though it feels good, it is counter productive for optimal growth!
Save the stims for the cutting when you will really want them!
Read more about this issue?
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_332361/mpage_2/tm.htm
I have trained exclusively with resistance bands for years at a streatch and see no problem...
For some other thoughts on that...read the page linked in my signature for my journal...
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 7:37:46 PM
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Dolman
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Could be too much fiber.
Also the fat% may not be ideal for you.
Perhaps you are not hydrated enough by meal times.
4000 calories is a large number of calories and perhaps your digestion is not keeping up with your caloric intake.
Ok, thanks! I'll experiment with these ideas
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 8:57:26 PM
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well im lookin for the best supplement to get me the fastest results the best results and for my muscles to acutully look bigger and for them to actully be muscle not water
oh yea and r u saying i should work out wit no supplement them be4 i go to bed take creatine monohydrate
im not really worried about gettin much taller
just WAY BUFFER and WAY QUICKER
i bought cytogainer before and now i have mass tech by muscletech but i only take 1.5-2 scoops
remember low budget
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 9:13:22 PM
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biga273
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another question
i work on upper body all 5 days i workout
and its intense but im sore then but by the time im home it feels all normal and when i go to the gym the next day im ready for upper again
i work lower every other day
is that good to work upper everyday
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/26/2008 10:28:02 PM
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danmirage
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is that good to work upper everyday
No. At most every other day, depending on load and recovery.
Pain is not a good indicator of qaulity training or recovery.
Training the same muscle every day tops the list as one of the quickest ways to LOSE muscle.
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well im lookin for the best supplement to get me the fastest results
Just WAY BUFFER and WAY QUICKER
That would be pre and post workout protein/carbs/creatine monohydrate.
Those are the king of SIZE.
Read the post linked at the bottom of the main gaining mass post on your pre-workout protein/carbs/creatine for the most anabolic effect..
It explains when and how much.
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and for my muscles to acutully look bigger and for them to actully be muscle not water
Muscle is about 75% water and so that is a silly thing to say, in fact if you want larger muscle fibers,
YOU DO WANT MORE WATER IN THE MUSCLE!!!
that is called VOLUMIZING the muscle and it leads to faster growth.
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oh yea and r u saying i should work out wit no supplement them be4 i go to bed take creatine monohydrate
1 hour pre workout 3-5 grams Creatine monohydrate.
Read the main post in this thread on recommendations on your pre-workout protein/carbs/creatine for the most anabolic effect.
THAT is the cheapest, and also the fastest way to get HUGE.
Assuming your training is optimal and progresive and your diet is optimal and your rest is optimal.
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/27/2008 1:30:02 PM
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biga273
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lol
but should i take any percausions when taking creatine monohydrate
like drink tons and tons of water
or like cycling off the effects ?
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/27/2008 2:50:00 PM
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Dolman
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That's the thing I can't narrow it down a whole lot..
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ORIGINAL: danmirage
One idea is to drop your caloric expenditure and your calories... Well I've slowly upped my calories ~250 every week because I am not gaining any weight yet. In the last month or so I've gone from 3000 up to 4000
Is it a particular meal? Nope, usually occurs anytime except right in the morning or before bed. And I can't link any particular foods that cause it. Haven't broke down the fiber I consume daily.. not sure what's 'normal'. Also, when I was younger I used to have to take metamucil and similar to keep me regular, so I seem to be someone who doesn't get ENOUGH fiber.
When and what is in it...or how many calories...or how much fiber or fat...
Is there a supplement you are taking around this time? Nope
Is it near a workout? Not particularly--Sometimes before and after, along with other times of the day.
After your post last night I did drink quite a bit more water today and the problem didn't even appear. I ALSO though, didn't have a cup of oatmeal for breakfast like usual, and I didn't have my usual ~14oz of sweet potatoes for lunch---so at this point I suppose it could be water or fiber-- Either way I think I'm on the right track. Thanks for all your help!
EDIT: Perhaps I spoke too soon  Even though I haven't had any tummy problems all today, I did just have a little bit of discomfort before my workout. My Pre workout nutrition consists of whey and 1/4 cup raisins.
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/27/2008 2:52:09 PM
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Dolman
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Also- I've been having a heck of a time with Potatoes and Sweet Potatoes. Dan I assume you weigh yours, but do you weigh before or after cooking? And then what calorie system do you use? ( Fitday has oz, but also oz raw yields)
Thanks
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/27/2008 6:59:10 PM
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danmirage
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I did just have a little bit of discomfort before my workout. My Pre workout nutrition consists of whey and 1/4 cup raisins.
Try replacing the raisions (dehydrated fruit) with a whole fruit.
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Also- I've been having a heck of a time with Potatoes and Sweet Potatoes. Dan I assume you weigh yours, but do you weigh before or after cooking? And then what calorie system do you use? ( Fitday has oz, but also oz raw yields)
Calculate based on uncooked unless they specifty cooked.
I cook 3 days worth and use a cooked weight to calculate, then I lop off what I need, weigh, and chow down.
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but should i take any percausions when taking creatine monohydrate
like drink tons and tons of water
or like cycling off the effects ?
Read the thread at that link...
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/28/2008 1:59:58 PM
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This article was amazing. Thank you so much Dan.
I had just a few questions:
1. I've been going through the MAX-OT training and under nutrition it suggests 53% of your diet come from protein, 35% from carbs and 10% fat. I read your other thread that was more along the lines of 25-pro 50-carb 25-fat. Is the MAX-OT diet different because of the training? Would you recommend against it? I initially built my diet plan around a 25/50/25 plan (ALSO thank you so much for suggesting fitday.com, awesome website.) If I'm planning to follow the MAX-OT training for the next 6 months do you think I should follow that diet? or would 25/50/25 be more appropriate?
2. A lot of confusion as to fats/carbs before bed. It seems like the concensus is GOOD fats before bed are ok, carbs should be kept to a minimum. If so should I stack carbs earlier in the day? (pre workout, and first meal after workout?) Or are carbs before bed ok?
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RE: For Gaining Mass - 2/28/2008 2:51:53 PM
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danmirage
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2. A lot of confusion as to fats/carbs before bed. It seems like the concensus is GOOD fats before bed are ok, carbs should be kept to a minimum. If so should I stack carbs earlier in the day? (pre workout, and first meal after workout?) Or are carbs before bed ok?
Have a balanced whole food meal as described in the main post as the last meal of the day. If you do not supply them, the body will get them somewhere...that would by from proteins.
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1. I've been going through the MAX-OT training and under nutrition it suggests 53% of your diet come from protein, 35% from carbs and 10% fat. I read your other thread that was more along the lines of 25-pro 50-carb 25-fat. Is the MAX-OT diet different because of the training? Would you recommend against it? I initially built my diet plan around a 25/50/25 plan (ALSO thank you so much for suggesting fitday.com, awesome website.) If I'm planning to follow the MAX-OT training for the next 6 months do you think I should follow that diet? or would 25/50/25 be more appropriate?
That is a program. I think you might be better to ask in the Max-ot thread.
However, in general I think that the ratio (53% protein, 35% carbs and 10% fat) is not very ideal except for a very small portion of the population that are in the last stages of cutting and do not tolerate fats.
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Losing Fat
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