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RE: MRP - 7/1/2006 9:43:35 PM
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danmirage
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What is that very small benefit???
I assume you chose to do resistance training in fasting state for a reason? I am just validating that there is a small benefit, when the goal is fat loss, if done soon after rising (30 minutes) and if the exercise session is appropriately brief and the diet is sufficient to favor fat burning.
There are studies that show that the caloric expenditure during this type of training are lower than the same training performed later in the day...however the 24 hour expenditure appears to be equal in either case..likely due to the all day increase in RMR in the former, and the higher during and post expenditure on the latter.
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How much time for say a 150-300 Calorie meal, including a lean protein and a complex fibrous carbohydrate???
That is for you to determine. I can go right to sleep. I have a very fast oxidative rate. Some clients of mine need 1-2 hours.
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The part that your metabolism slows down or that fat gain is possible?... Or both???
The entire statement implies absence of understanding of and is a gross misrepresentation of the metabolic process and the process of fat storage. Especially as it applies to a physique athlete on a cutting diet....and also of the processes that specifically occur during sleep.
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RE: MRP - 7/2/2006 4:53:34 PM
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I've done some searching for a better protein powder to consume pre & post workout for cutting... I found Whey to be the best...
Which of these would you recommend in a list from best to worst & why?...
1) Optimum - 100% Any Whey (Flavorless): http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/any.html (Ingredients: Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate), Natural Flavor, Lecithin.)
2A) NOW - Whey Protein Isolate 100% Pure (Flavorless): http://www.nowfoods.com/index.php?action=itemdetail&item_id=2795 (Ingredients: 100% Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate (providing B-lactoglobulin, a-lactalbumin, Immunoglobulins and Glycomacro Peptides). Contains milk derivative.)
2B) NOW - Whey Protein Isolate Vanilla: http://www.nowfoods.com/index.php?action=itemdetail&item_id=41988...
2C) NOW - Whey Protein Isolate Chocolate: http://www.nowfoods.com/index.php?action=itemdetail&item_id=42013 (Ingredients: Cross-Flow Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate (providing ß-lactoglobulin, a-lactalbumin, Immunoglobulins and Glyomacro Peptides), Fructose, Natural Flavors, Xanthan Gum, Lecithin and Stevia rebaudiana Herbal Extract.)
- In your experience... How bad are the flavorless Wheys???
- What are your thoughts on L-Glutamine (NEAA)???... Do you take it?... If so, what's your recommended dose???... What other supplement do you take, when and why??
Thanks for replying in advance! 
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RE: MRP - 7/2/2006 8:30:03 PM
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If you are drinking a pure whey..it is all a matter of taste. When I have used it this way i was not really paying attention to taste.
I don't use protein this way at this time. I actually use BCAA pre and post. Otherwise, I eat thermic meals.
The Hydrosolate form is generally best for pre-post use...so look at what you are getting.
Fructose would not be ideal for pre while cutting but ok for post.
The whey I do use is pure whey. I take a multi-VM, C, B-complex, Calcium, glucosamin & chondroitin. cutting or bulking I have 6 meals a day +- eating every 3 hours I am awake.
When in a caloric deficit, there may be some slight value to supplementing with L-Glutamine post workout (5G) if you will not be eating for 45 minutes or so, and pre-bed (2 grams) if you have not recently eaten. The evidence for this is weak or unreplicated and you can easily get all you need from food and protein.
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RE: MRP - 7/12/2007 7:37:24 AM
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Trying to get an MRP specifically for cutting. I'm not going to consume them very often, just every now and then.
I've read the thread and purchased Now - Lean Grow, but what else can I put it in to slow digestion?
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RE: MRP - 7/12/2007 6:44:37 PM
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Trying to get an MRP specifically for cutting. I'm not going to consume them very often, just every now and then.
I've read the thread and purchased Now - Lean Grow, but what else can I put it in to slow digestion?
Vegetables.
I am going full time to a University. I have class from 9 until 6.
In the AM I preblend 2 MRPs including putting in kale, plus some ground flax seed for extra fiber (I have only 10 minutes between the first three classes for a meal 11:20-11:30 and 1:20-1:30) I carry a third full meal in a cooler as I have 45 minutes for that meal.
My Now Shake looks like this:
1 ounce Whey (23 G Protein)
3 tablespoons Flax, ground then added at the end of blending
1 Scoop now Pro Gainer
Kale in it or celery sticks eaten with it.
Calories - 510
Protein - 42 (32%)
Carbs - 52 (40%)
Fat - 16 (28%)
I have 3 variations. All about the same ratio. Different amounts of whey and flax to make it right. You could add almond butter for a nice boost in fats, calories, and flavor.
NOW is best when very cold.
Now only
Now/Champion Super Heavyweight mixed
Super Heavyweight only
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RE: MRP - 7/13/2007 6:03:11 AM
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OOPs...you said LEAN Grow not Pro Gainer!!!
Again, add good fats and some vegetable to the mix.
San has Oats in it for fiber!
I can't use it becase of the artificials in it.
Think SAN Infusion is ok to take "as-is" since fiber is already in the shake? I don't mind some level of artificials.
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RE: MRP - 7/13/2007 10:51:05 AM
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My philosophy is that any amount of artificial ingredients is bad.
So naturally, my answer is no for that reason alone.
It has 3 common allergens in it and I try to keep processed alergens to a minimum. (Oat, Corn, Soy) Again that is my preference as I have a higher sensitivity to processed allergens.
I also do not like the ratio for an MRP, compared to the calories. (Calories are too low for me and the ratio is a bit low on carbs for a meal, even in cutting mode) That is a minor issue since it would represent only one meal. You still need to include a vegetable for the buffering capacity and also for some real fiber. Though this has 6g of fiber.
Finally, the price point is a bit high for my tastes.
3 scoops/15 servings per container about $2.50 per serving +-
Total Calories 324.0
Total Fat 12.0 g (33%)
Total Carbohydrates 11.0 g (13%)
Protein 47 g (58%)
Ingredients:
Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Raw Oats, Oat Meal Powder, Maltodextrin, L-leucine, L-phenylalanine, fructose, Lecithin, Acesulfame-potassium, Natural and artificial flavors, Sucralose.
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RE: MRP - 7/13/2007 11:09:53 AM
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My philosophy is that any amount of artificial ingredients is bad.
So naturally, my answer is no for that reason alone.
It has 3 common allergens in it and I try to keep processed alergens to a minimum. (Oat, Corn, Soy) Again that is my preference as I have a higher sensitivity to processed allergens.
I also do not like the ratio for an MRP, compared to the calories. (Calories are too low for me and the ratio is a bit low on carbs for a meal, even in cutting mode) That is a minor issue since it would represent only one meal. You still need to include a vegetable for the buffering capacity and also for some real fiber. Though this has 6g of fiber.
Finally, the price point is a bit high for my tastes.
3 scoops/15 servings per container about $2.50 per serving +-
Total Calories 324.0
Total Fat 12.0 g (33%)
Total Carbohydrates 11.0 g (13%)
Protein 47 g (58%)
Ingredients:
Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Raw Oats, Oat Meal Powder, Maltodextrin, L-leucine, L-phenylalanine, fructose, Lecithin, Acesulfame-potassium, Natural and artificial flavors, Sucralose.
Since it's unclear whether or not I'm sensitive to artificial ingredients ... I should probably err on the side of caution.
I could probably use Now - Lean Grow, celery sticks, and maybe slap some raw oats in the shake?
1 serving of lean grow:
150 calories
28g protein
7g carbs
1.5g fat
Add:
5 - 4" Celery Sticks - 3 Calories, 1 Carb
3/4 Cup Quaker Oats - 225 Calories, 5g Fat, 41g Carbs, 8g Protein
Total:
378 Calories
36g Protein
48g Carbs
6.5g Fat
What do you think? Maybe scale the oats back to a 1/2 cup?
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RE: MRP - 7/17/2007 4:29:54 PM
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BUMP
Does the above look OK or should I add/remove stuff from the shake?
Lean grow will be here Friday 
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RE: MRP - 7/17/2007 7:09:21 PM
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Hi danmirage, on previous post you said that artificial sweeteners are bad could you explain that to me briefly, because the protein i'm using right now is sugar free, it is sweetened with Splenda, each serving is 29gr, 25gr protein, no carbs, no fat, and it has some free form aminos in it and some vitamins and ZMA, although the product label does not says how much splenda is in each serving i still believe that is a considerable amount because I find it as sweet as the other protein i've tried (gnc pro perdformance) wich does have sugar. thanks in advance
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RE: MRP - 7/18/2007 5:02:45 AM
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Again, add good fats and some vegetable to the mix.
Thanks Dan ... missed the fats part. I'll shred some selery and add some flaxseed and I should be game. Sorry about the obliviousness of my last post :-)
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