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MRP - Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:32 PM
what would u guys say is the best MRP to take???
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RE: MRP - Friday, February 24, 2006 8:46 AM
Depends on your goal...gain muscle lose fat increase performance for sport..maintain weight, strength training...
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RE: MRP - Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM
gain muscle lose fat
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RE: MRP - Friday, February 24, 2006 2:03 PM
Diet is the key factor here but that aside...

Here is my criteria: 
Must be without artificial flavors, artificial colors, artificial sweeteners (sucralose, acesulfame potassium (-K), aspartame, etc) ..I'm allergic to being poisoned!  Plus I hate the way that cr** messes with the metabolism causing fat hoarding.Thus far I have found:
  1. Champion Nutrition -  Super Heavyweight Gainer 1200 (tried it and its very good)
  2. NOW - Pro Gainer Chocolate(tried it and its good)
  3. Universal Nutrition  - Gain Fast 3100 (tried it and its good)

Keep in mind that with these MRPs YOU control the serving size and calories, protein, carbs, fat by deciding what to mix it with and what to put in there...and how much powder to use!!!  (russian bear suggests 5 scoops but then the shake in water is 2600 calories!  SO, 1 scoop is a good MRP!)

Use your head with MRPs.

Very few MRPs fit my criteria and since those companies dont care about my health, I really don't care for their products.

I could make my own of course....but...

With Universal Nutrition's Gain Fast 3100...
2 scoops Gain Fast (50 scoops per container at 23-26 w/shipping$) ~25 servings ~$1/per
+1/2 scoop of pure whey
in Organic whole milk
+1 teaspoon of Organic ground flax
+1 teaspoon Organic Raw almond butter
=595 calories
35 g protein
83g carbs
15 g fat
24g sugar from the Gain FastChocolate.  Taste and texture is good, best when cold.  So blend some ice in.

With NOW - Pro Gainer < Nearly same recipe
2 scoops Pro Gainer (60 scoops per container at 23-27$ w/ shipping) ~30 servings ~$0.83 per
+1/2 scoop of pure whey
in Organic whole milk
+1 teaspoon of Organic ground flax
+1 teaspoon Organic Raw almond butter
=688 calories
44g protein
88g carbs
18g fat
42g sugar from pro gainer
Chocolate.  Taste and texture is good.

With Champion Nutrition Super Heavyweight Gainer 1200 (NOT the 900)
1.6 scoops SHWG (60 scoops per container at 30-33$ w/ shipping) ~38 servings ~$0.83 per
+1/2 scoop of pure whey
in Organic whole milk
+1 teaspoon of Organic ground flax
+1 teaspoon Organic Raw almond butter
=618 calories
41g protein
58g carbs
25g fat
19g sugar from SHWG
Chocolate.  Taste and texture is good.  Very rich flavor!

I try to keep my meal replacement expense per serving including ingredients close to a dollar.

I have found a few others.  NOW seems to care what you put into your body and they have a few other products... 

I customize the mix to meet my current caloric needs!  Remember you are in charge of your diet!

Just now I was doing this first one and switched to this second one...

#1 in water
2 scoops Champion Nutrition Super Heavyweight Gainer 1200 (NOT the 900)
+1/4 scoop of pure whey
+2 tablespoon preground Organic flax
=631 calories
36g protein
72g carbs
23g fat

#2 in water
1 3/4 scoops Universal Nutrition's Gain Fast 3100
+2/3 scoop of pure whey 
+2 tablespoon preground Organic flax
+1 1/2 tablespoon Organic Raw almond butter
=638 calories
36g protein
74g carbs
24g fat 

There is one mre that I have not tried that shows promise.  Vitol's Russin Bear 5000.  Here is a discussion on that.
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/m_108782/mpage_1/tm.htm

Where to get it/what does it look like?  Click these links too look at them on Amazon in my current order of preference:
  1. Champion Nutrition -  Super Heavyweight Gainer 1200
  2. Now - Pro Gainer Chocolate  (THe Vanilla does not taste right)
  3. Universal Nutrition  - Gain Fast 3100
  4. Vitol Products - Russian Bear 5000

If you are cutting:
Now - Lean Grow <--Link - the taste is so-so depending on how you use it.
This is free of artificials and sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn or preservatives.
It is whey, milk, and egg protein.

1/2 cup in water cost .71 cents per serving.  22 per 2 lb container.
150 calories
28g protein
7g carbs
1.5g fat
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:31 AM
dan so when i take one of these products i'll be able to gain like 10 pounds or so lose some fat while eating healthy, gain muscle, and i won't lose my 6 pack?
 
 
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:45 AM
Just a word of caution:  Many people take an MRP because they have no time for that particular meal.  Eventually that becomes their meal.  An MRP is NEVER as good as real foods and if you consume too many of them, you'll just end up putting on fat.

Your body doesn't have to work very hard to ingest the nutrients.

Part of working hard to digest is that whole "metabolism" thing.

Using an MRP is fine if you are a busy person and simply cannot actually consume 5-7 meals a day.  Just don't fall into the trap that it's the same as a real meal if not better.  It's not.  It's a meal replacement.

I've found them to be great when I'm on the go, traveling and simply don't want to eat airline foods or I'm in a rush.  But at one point I was taking 2-3 per day and just put on excess weight.

That's just my word of caution.  Use them sparingly and when necessary.
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:50 AM
well im at school from 7-4 every day
 
i eat breakfast around 7,10 try to have a snack at 1 i usually can't though
then dinner at 4
and a protein shake at 9
 
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:50 AM

That's just my word of caution.  Use them sparingly and when necessary.

 
Bingo!
 

i'll be able to gain like 10 pounds or so

You will only gain weight if your diet is dialed in. 
Nothing else makes you gain weight. 
Period.
 
To gain a pound you must consume 3500 calories more than you burn.
Make that 500 a day and you gain a pound a week 
So you can gain 10 pounds in 10 weeks..
Make it a 750 calories surplus a day and gain it in 7 weeks, 1.5 pounds a week.
Make it a 1000 calories surplus a day and gain it in 5 weeks., 2 pounds a week.
 

lose some fat while eating healthy

To lose fat there must be an energy deficit requiring the metabolizing of fat.  In the above model there is a general energy surplus.  So to gain muscle and lose fat is tricky.
 
you can do low intensity cardio and burn off fat and if your excess calories are utilized to build muscle, then you will burn fat and gain muscle while either keeping the same weight or gaining weight.
 
(-1 pound of fat a week +2 pounds of muscle = gain 1 pound overall)
 
Your 6 pack is determined by fat and water storage.  If you have one now and don't gain fat then you keep it.  Gain more fat and you start lose it.
 
As I said to do both is tricky.  If you are gaining 2 pounds a week and your training, diet, rest and genetics support 2 pounds of muscle growth a week that is great...but if not, then some of that may be fat.
 
I eat at the threshold of fat/muscle gain.  As I gain muscle my metabolism goes up and burns of some of that fat, then I increase my calories to keep gaining muscle...and I gain a bit of fat and muscle then my metabolism goes up and burns of some of that fat etc...so my muscle slowly gets bigger and my fat pretty much stays the same %.
 
Later I can focus on dropping some fat if I feel I need to.
 
BTW, ever heard of the Cambrige diet...the high protein MRP diet that killed the people on it?  Hmmmm...
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:31 AM
thats crazy
im gonna be posting by diet, workout and possible supplements in a little while
if u can looke at  it that would be great
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RE: MRP - Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:30 AM
You know it...If I miss your post then PM me and point me to it!
 
I am always surprised to find a thread I completely missed!
 
Good thing there are so many excellent people on this board!
 
You know you are always covered!
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RE: MRP - Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:04 PM
thanks danmirage for the info,i'll probably try the champion gainer because i can get it at vitamin shoppe
Age: 17, 5'11", 213

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Bench: 305

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RE: MRP - Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:08 PM
Like I said the 1200 NOT the 900.
 
Champion has been my favorite so far..than and the NOW..cause I made chocolate MRPudding with it!
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RE: MRP - Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:13 PM
MRPudding, nice!!!LOL

Yea i meant the super heavyweight gainer (1200), from Champion. Its about 38 bucks at vitamin shoppe and is only 15 servings though.
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RE: MRP - Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:16 PM
There are 60 scoops in the container and 2 is sufficient as an MRP so you can get 30 out.
 
2 scoops in water=
450 Calories
Fat - 14.5g
Carbs - 54g
Protein - 25g
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RE: MRP - Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:57 PM

ORIGINAL: danmirage

If you are cutting:
Now - Lean Grow <--Link - the taste is great.
This is free of artificials and sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, corn or preservatives.
It is whey, milk, and egg protein.

1/2 cup in water cost .71 cents per serving.  22 per 2 lb container.
150 calories
28g protein
7g carbs
1.5g fat

I'm cutting...

1) I'm looking for the best possible protein (preferably whey and/or pure egg white) to take pre & post workout at about .1g/lb! (With the lowest possible Calories, Carbs, Fats & with no added artificial flavors, sugars, preservatives etc.)
2) I'm looking for the best possible protein (preferably casein protein as it's a slow releasing protein) to take before going to sleep at about .1g/lb! (With the lowest possible Calories, Carbs, Fat & with no added artificial flavors, sugars, preservatives etc.)

The protein you've recommend above for cutting (NOW - Lean Grow): http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=3810 (<<<Nutritional Info linked), http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/lean.html (<<<Amino Acid Profile linked) looks to be good, however the only drawbacks I can see is the following:

1) It contains Soy Isolate Protein which doesn't have to be a problem depending on amount involved (<10g is beneficial for cholesterol and also for the thyroid gland during cutting)!
2) It contains Stevia rebaudi leaf extract powder (200mg/serving)... Which is a natural sweetener... It can be dangerous at levels of 2000mg+... The recommended dose to take is 1000mg... Still not a big problem as with consumption of 3 servings daily comes out to 600mg!
3) It contains 7 grams of carbs per serving (28 kcal)... I'd rather something with less carbs and fats!... However, still not a big problem! (Especially as it contains no added artificial flavors, sugars, preservatives etc.)


In conclusion, for cutting: Do you know of any other good proteins out there for consumption pre & post workout... And also for consumption pre sleep???... To keep my options open!

Is this is the only good protein you know of to take for cutting?

Thanks for replying in advance!
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