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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/29/2006 9:38:30 PM
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Coulaid
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Are you asking about the MT stack or Gugg's?
IMHO MT Stack: Yes... if training is set up right and going very close to faliure.
IMHO Guggle: Not in my breif use (1 product). I avoid them now personally.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/29/2006 10:16:00 PM
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Agree....Good diet + good workout plan will be the best fat burner you will ever have.
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Opps..wrong button,,,,I was going to say I believe the Lipo 6 is probably a waste of money.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/30/2006 11:28:46 AM
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kane
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I been on lipo 6 dan and within 3 weeks I dropped from 220 to 206 and it works.
I also did cardio 3 times a week on my days I rest i ran for 15 -25 mins on a treadmill speed of 6.5.
So far lipo6 is working for me, I may try stimerex. Heard alot about it.
But now i cant seem to get past 206 now, So Im running after my workouts and see if anything changes.
But for me lipo 6 works.
I took it before and it didnt do ****, but now I added more cardio to it, I see a huge difference.
Just my 2 cents.
I also was on the gakic/leukic/creakic stack.
Gakic and Leukic work the best, creakic bloated me.
F Creakic
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/30/2006 6:28:17 PM
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Don't get me wrong..I want you to succeed!!
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you didn't have to burn me so bad on the lipo 6
I just reported what is known about the ingredients...
There is no evidence that they will burn fat and some evidence that they could be harmful.
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it seems like u have something againest fat burners
I am a consumer advocate. There is an industry that is designed to make money off of our desire for bigger muscles and fat loss. There are products like this that are obviously trying to take advantage of consumers.
I have something against products that do this lumping together of various ingredients with a magic potion approach and rely on the trust of consumers. Why call black pepper "Bioperine"? To try to make it sound scientific?
Synephrine is NOT a fat burner, it is a vasoconstrictor and a potential stimulant. It is not like ephedra.
Guggel is not a fat burner and could be dangerous.
Black pepper is not a fat burner, it can aid digestion.
Yohimbine is not much of anything.
Caffeine is a stimulant.
There are supplements that can function in one of the various roles potentially leading to fat burning.
Mostly they can aid in digestion and assimilation of nutrients, facilitate the movement or use of fat in cells, have a stimulatory effect on the body, protect muscle, increase muscle mass, increase liver fat use, suppress catabolism, enhance anabolism, reduce stress...etc
Fat burning is a complex process and none of these alone would necessarily lead to fat burning.
However, to be in an fat burning state does not require a supplement.
An optimal fat burning state can be enhanced by the addition of a supplement to a program of proper nutrition, progressive resistance training and appropriate cardiovascular exercise.
Sorry to dispell the marketing myth...but...
There is no supplement, pill, potion, or nutrient that you can take that will burn fat.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/31/2006 8:47:38 AM
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kane
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quote:
ORIGINAL: danmirage
Sorry...
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i cant seem to get past 206 now,
But for me lipo 6 works.
Obviously it is not "working." What worked was the cardio.
Did you measure body composition and observe how much muscle you lost? No. So you really don't know what it did or did not do and it's doing nothing now.
No i didn'y but How can I measure my muscle versus body fat?
I did use a thing u hold and squeeze and it sends a shock through ur body and measure body fat.
i was at 24% bodyfat now Im at like 20%
Noticeable difference
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/31/2006 9:22:28 AM
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danmirage
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Those bio-electrical devices do not work well for muscular people..but you may still be "normal" enough to get a good reading
If you did drop from 24% to 20%...
220 at 24% = 53 pounds fat and 167 muscle
206 at 20% = 41 pounds fat and 161 muscle
That would be a loss of 6 pounds of muscle and 12 pounds of fat.
If you were doing a normal cut you would not expect to lose that much muscle.
BUT that would be why you can't drop more weight!
Loss of 6 pounds of muscle is roughly a metabolic reduction of 300 calories A DAY!
Adaptation to cardio would be another 100-200 a day.
Cardio with a lower weight would be another 100 a day.
That means you burn 4200 calories less each week than you did before.
The severe caloric deficit required to lose 18 pounds in 21 days...would cause a change in your hormones that would also slow the metabolism and favor muscle loss and fat building.
All of this is normal for people taking fat burners and overdoing cardio while under eating.
Fat burners tend to supress appetite, stimulate metabolism, cause water loss...
A recipe for screwing up the metabolism.
Kane..if you want to lose more fat...start training to regain the muscle and dial in your diet...while backing off of the cardio! Maybe 15 minutes of HIIT just post workout..and workouts should be no longer than 45 minutes...
Use this info to dial in your diet and training..as well as all the essentials:
http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/For_Losing_Fat/m_111175/tm.htm
Eat at the high end for maintenance for now!
You want you body to return to a chemical environment that favors fat burning again!!!
Just to be clear!!!!
I am not BLAMING you or saying you did anything bad. It is not your fault. It is the fault of the companies that sell these products and mislead consumers about what "works" to burn fat.
The best of luck on your goals!!
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/31/2006 6:23:31 PM
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Muscles89
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dan, (since taking Lipo) i do 15 to 20 minutes of cardio 3-5 times a week and with weights a definite 6 times a week
Mon-chest, tris, shoulders
Tues- Back, Bis
Wed- Legs
Thurs- Chest, tris, shoulders
Fri- Back, bis
Sat- Legs
Forearms and calf are everyother day and abs are on the upperbody days. lower back is worked sparingly
There are 3-5 exercises a body part including supersets and the rep range is 5-10 (but i usually do 5-8). All is performed so i can do no more than 12 reps. and rest is usually less than or up to 1.5 minutes
Think it might work.
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Gakic and leukic are working good and i am going to take the leukic twice a day since i have a good amount of it left.
< Message edited by Muscles89 -- 8/31/2006 7:59:24 PM >
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 9/1/2006 3:36:29 PM
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Muscles89
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ok, i get what ur saying but i cant eat consisently, because u cant eat in class and if u get caught then its a detention or somethin.
Eatin right is not problem at all. i can do that.
Cardio is done usually before and sometimes after the workout.
and on a different note the second work out as in Thursday, Friday, and Saturday?
I will get to it starting next week. Thanks for all the help and i will keep u posted on fat and the supplements (Gakic and Leukic
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 9/2/2006 3:21:54 PM
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DanishDave
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yeah they do taste pretty nasty.. when i was on gakic/leukic stack, i took it in a pill form.. even that was nasty and made my hands stink (especially gakic). you can try the pills instead of powders, but they're like horsepills and kind of hard to swallow. Gakic didn't work for me. I think my endurance was better when I was off on Gakic. Leukic I think works, but the result wasn't very significant. Maybe if you take Leukic for a long period of time, you'll see better result, but I think they're both too expensive and not as effective as cheaper products. I'd recommend stacking 100% Whey with something else, instead of spending money on gakic and leukic. But gakic and leukic might work for you, so if you want to try it badly, give it a try.. then at least you'd have no regrets 
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 9/2/2006 4:41:59 PM
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Muscles89
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sounds good dan, and the cardio should be done about 15-20 minutes after the workout?
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 9/2/2006 7:37:58 PM
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DanishDave
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If you're in the gym, just do your cardio right after your workout. I suggest you do cardio for 10mins max. But on days when you just want to do cardio for a long time, make sure you take protein after your workout. Also take caffein before your cardio. you can find articles about caffein on the web but what it does is it decreases the bloodflow to your heart (and also other effects that i can't remember). Sorry if anyone on this board has already mentioned about caffein. Hope that helps!!
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)-no but i can see the external obliques (if that counts) 
