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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/12/2006 9:14:12 PM
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Muscles89
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the reason that i have not been posting any messages is because i see no point in saying, "great workout" all the time. but yes i have gotten stronger, but not as strong as the advertisement suggests.
WIth thermogain i have lost weight and am now able to see the external obliques and and sum what visual of my 2 top abs. it seems to be working.
I have decided to take cell tech now so i hope to gain muscle and am on my second bottle of gakic , leukic , and thermo gain
Wish me luck
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Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
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FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/13/2006 5:48:09 AM
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durandalinfinity
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Id hate to be the bearer of.... well Muscle-Tech news, seriously just buy bulk German Creatine Mono, you will get a better product then Cell-Tech, and 76g less sugar
and save 50 dollars
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/19/2006 9:48:10 AM
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Muscles89
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well, i already bought the cell tech so it doesn't do me any good to not use it.
And i had a pose off with a friend the other day...if it was a strict definition comp. I probably would have him easy. but he has alot more mass on me. I asked what i should work on and he said the back so if you guys have a suggestion that would be great but i am going to check other threads to
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/26/2006 10:22:17 AM
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Muscles89
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OK, when making my chest to the clevage thing it cover my fingernail, so i have gained chest mass. i am curling 45 pound dumb bells now instead of 40s. My thermogain is ok but not as good as advertised. the cell tech, I think, is doing alot for me...and i just or started a l-glutamine supplement and it hasn't kicked in (i think) Every thing is going good so wish me luck.
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/26/2006 10:38:14 AM
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Good to hear...
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ORIGINAL: Muscles89
OK, when making my chest to the clevage thing it cover my fingernail, so i have gained chest mass. i am curling 45 pound dumb bells now instead of 40s. My thermogain is ok but not as good as advertised. the cell tech, I think, is doing alot for me...and i just or started a l-glutamine supplement and it hasn't kicked in (i think) Every thing is going good so wish me luck.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/27/2006 12:23:29 PM
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Muscles89
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i ran out of thermogain and my conclusion is that if you take 2 bottles u may get something but not what u want then again it works different for everybody.
I asked the Vitamin SHoppe guy and he said that i can get on Lipo-6 with taking a break from the Thermogain and i have heard good stuff about lipo so here goes nothin
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/27/2006 1:59:12 PM
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danmirage
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Why do you think you need these "thermo" supplements....the bodybuilding lifestyle is a thermogenic lifestyle...
Lipo-6 =
Synephrine HCL 20mg
<---- there is no reliable evidence that Synephrine is effective, and considerable reason to worry that it may cause harm. The reassuring statement made by some manufacturers that Synephrine offers the "benefits of ephedra without the risks" is not supported by scientific evidence.
Synthetic 99% Guggulsterones Z&E 1:1 20mg
<----Supposedly, it works by enhancing thyroid function. However, there is little evidence that natural guggul (this is synthetic!!!) actually affects the thyroid, and one small double-blind, placebo-controlled trial failed to find it effective for weight loss. Even if it did affect the thyroid..YOU DO NOT WANT TO MESS WITH THYROID FUNCTION!
Read this... Info on the natural Guggel
Yohimbe HCL 3mg
<-----Ineffective in clinical trails
Caffeine Anhydrous USP 200mg
<----Caffeine..if you already take a lot of caffeine...it does almost nothing for enhancing fat loss.
Bioperine 5mg
<---- Black pepper, aids in assimilation of nutrients.
A Special note on synephrine - You might feel warm after taking synephrine..that is the constriction of the blood vessels. Constricted blood vessels equals restricted blood flow, and that's the complete opposite of what you want if you're looking to optimize fat burning, yet it may cause a sensation of heat.
Then there is humor in the claims of "abundant research" on the fat burning effectiveness of this (ex-nasal spray ingredient ..remember neo-synephrine?)...it was found to effectively kill mosquitoes and...
Here is the research that is cited to "clinically prove" it is effective for fat loss:
- Park JH, Keeley LL. The effect of biogenic amines and their analogs on carbohydrate metabolism in the fat body of Blaberus discoidalis. Gen Comp Endocrinol 1998 Apr;110(1):88-95
Does this study prove that synephrine will burn fat in your body? Only if you fall into the species categorized as Blaberus discoidalis. Allow me translate Blaberus discoidalis into its more recognizable term. ****roach!
The drug synephrine is known to produce many unpleasant and possibly dangerous side effects, including headache, agitation, rapid heart rate, and heart palpitations. In some people, it can cause angina pectoris, kidney damage, increased pressure in the eye, and reduced blood circulation to the heart and the extremities.
An even less reliable study evaluated the synephrine constituent of Citrus aurantium and found possible "fat burning" actions.
- Hedrei P, Gougeon R. Thermogenic effect of beta-sympathicomimetic compounds extracted from Citrus aurantium. McGill Nutrition and Food Science Center, Royal Victoria Hospital. 1997.
In view of the weakness of the evidence in favor of Citrus aurantium, and the considerable evidence that it presents health risks, I recommend against using it for fat loss.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/27/2006 2:15:34 PM
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Coulaid
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Dan have u here of guggles being bad for your health. There is a thread on bb.com all about it.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/27/2006 2:39:15 PM
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durandalinfinity
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Gakic in essence is just a non stimulant version of No-Xplode, it is just "proprietary matrix" of arginine the active ingredient in most pre workout drinks like No-Xplode
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/thermo gain - 8/27/2006 4:17:56 PM
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danmirage
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Dan have u here of guggles being bad for your health. There is a thread on bb.com all about it.
(Commiphora mukul or Guggul)
I have glanced over literature. The supplement sellers rave about it, the scientific literature is lukewarm at best.
In Ayervedic practice, it has traditionally been combined with other herbs for the treatment of arthritis, skin diseases, pains in the nervous system, obesity, digestive problems, infections in the mouth, and menstrual problems.
In clinical trials of standardized guggul extract (not synthetic), no significant side effects other than occasional mild gastrointestinal distress or allergic skin rashes have been seen. Laboratory tests conducted in the course of these trials did not reveal any alterations in liver or kidney function, blood cell numbers and appearance, heart function, or blood chemistry.
Three double-blind studies performed in India found evidence that guggul can reduce cholesterol levels. However, the largest placebo-controlled study failed to find benefit. In fact, the herb seemed to worsen levels of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. The reason for this discrepancy is not clear.
Drugs in the statin family used to reduce cholesterol can cause a potentially serious condition called rhabdomyolysis, in which muscle fibers break down. One case report hints that this could occur with guggul as well.
Bianchi A, Cantu P, Firenzuoli F, et al. Rhabdomyolysis caused by Commiphora mukul, a natural lipid-lowering agent. Ann Pharmacother. 2004;38:1222-5.
Finally the latest review of literature:
Guggul for hyperlipidemia: a review by the Natural Standard Research Collaboration.
Complement Ther Med. 2005 Dec;13(4):279-90. Epub 2005 Sep 23
"At this time, there is not enough scientific evidence to support the use of guggul for any medical condition. Guggul may cause stomach discomfort or allergic rash as well as other serious side effects and interactions. It should be avoided in pregnant or breast-feeding women and in children. Safety of use beyond 4 months has not been well studied."
Over fatness and Obesity are medical conditions...
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/27/2006 7:18:27 PM
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vascularanddefine
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i've been taking no-xplode, gakic, and leukic at the same time, and axis ht (no xplode 30 min. before wo, gakic and luekic about five before wo) and they help tons! i don't know it all, but i don't see why it would be a no no?
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/27/2006 8:03:14 PM
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Muscles89
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dan...r u a supergenius or what? i have never seen anyone know so much about products than u. All i do is ask the supplement guy and he tells me how to get my goals. I am only 17 and got in the game (BB) less than 1.5 years ago so i am still learning. ANd i know that BB requires constant eating (thermo part)but still being in high school it is kinda hard to meet the eating requirements if u get what i am saying.
ANd i need to lose weight to get into a lower weight class for powerlifting and wrestling
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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RE: Starting Gakic/Leikic/ON Whey Stack - 8/29/2006 8:03:34 PM
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Muscles89
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so in your opinion do you think it should work?
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6'0
174 Lbs.
Chest -42.5"
Waist-31.5"
Arms-15 1/2"
Shoulders-49.5"
Legs-22"
Body Fat- 6.75%
LBM-162 Lbs.
FBM- 11 Lbs.
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) and been feeling stronger so its working
? not something bad i hope.
