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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/22/2006 8:01:59 PM
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tatch
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okay ****....fyi i started this thread, fyi i took the damn pills for 16 days, fyi it was the biggest waste of money i have spent yet..
and fyi, ur the dumb*** who thought it was an NO product.
um yeah.... chill out dude that leukic has made you angry
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/22/2006 10:22:51 PM
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TylerDurden
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sorry, the way you typed it and the way i read it seemed Extremely sarcastic, so maybe u can see what angle i was coming from.
it seemed like u sed "well no **** its an anabolic inhibitor" and wow that sounds "REALLY" interesting and "just as good as most of these?"
sorry it just came off as extremely sarcastic to me, my bad, no i dont take roids, i just dont like it when someone insults my intelligence and thats what i "thought" u had done..my bad.
but its really not that great of a product...waste of $
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/22/2006 10:50:01 PM
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Lookin2getRipt
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what happend? i thought it was real good in the beginning..the leukic at least..
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/22/2006 11:08:57 PM
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TylerDurden
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my conclusion is the placebo effect.
if you think your taking something that will give u more energy or build muscle faster, you actual u feel like u are, and sometimes you really actually do get larger even when the product itself does nothing...
read alot of good articles about Nitric oxide products that lead to this same conclusion.
honestly it would be SO HARD to actually document any actual gains from taking supplements..
all these things factor into muscle growth, and as u read them imagine how much of each is succeptable to change each and every day...
1. sleep.........more than 8 hrs, oversleep?, less than 8? less than 6?...etc...QUALITY of sleep, nightmares? sweats? dreams?
2. food, 6 meals per day vs 3, healthy food, quick carb foods for energy, not eating foods that notoriously make u tired. EATING after workout...immediately? 45 min after? 45 min after creatine mix? 1 -2 hrs later? how bout before working out? JUST a protein shake after a workout? Whey or casein? or weight gainer? how long after? last meal before bed....how soon? what food? etc...I Could go on for ever....Breakfast anyone?
3. Stress. How was your day? get mad at anyone? anything anger you? do u like ur life? do u like your job? are you happy? all these stress-related things and thousands more all can affect muscle growth.
4. Cardio...you'd think this would be easy to track but its not. Did you walk farther than normal today? were u in a hurry? did u break a sweat? how long were u walking? running today? how intense? how long? overtraining/undertraining/heart rate....energy food prior to running?
5. the gym itself....how long? too short? how much energy did u have today before working out compared to other days? overtrain? undertrain? # of reps? # of sets? number of sets/reps per muscle group and muscle focal point....intensity? time between sets? slow or fast reps? I COULD GO ON FOREVER.
6. Hormonal. how old are u, whats your metabolism...do u gain weight easily? fat? muscle?
7. how long have you been working out? over a yr? 1 month? hit any plateau's? obviously a beginner will see quicker gains than someone that has been doing bench press for the last year.
all of these miniscule little details all affect how fast you can gain muscle mass and definition...and all can change so quickly without even noticing..
so really, theres no way to know if any supplements are actually working besides using them, and seeing if the rate at which u change actually changes...and if it does, you still will never know if it was the supplement, or it was just the time for your body to grow...
hope that helped
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176.1 lbs 5'11" Animal Pak - Shock Therapy - Cellmass- ON 100% whey - MHP Probolic - EFA's
Bench (2) 95# Db's, BB curl 95#, Lat pull 190, Leg Press 765, squat 305, Deadlift 295
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/25/2006 9:03:18 AM
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HardCORElifter
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i have been stacking gakic with leukic for a week now and i notice big differences in my workouts as far as strength and reps go i am interested on what will become of it
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/25/2006 9:05:13 AM
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HardCORElifter
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it also seems that i have been cutting body fat to is this the same with anyone else
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/26/2006 7:36:54 AM
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tcobas
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I am looking for a non bs assesment of Gakic, Leukic, Anator P70. So far I am using Gakic and my results are either I have been training like a p*ssy or, psychologically it is making me think that I am stronger or the stuff really works. In terms of strenght and reps I have really increased by ability to bench, squat, etc... and it seems like I coudl do more at times. I want to now add Leukic and Anator p70 to the mix. I have seen a wide range of comments from steriod heads who bash it, to people who love it. I am not sure if there feedback is as accurate as I would like it. I keep a journal that captures weight lifted, bf, weight gain etc...and so far Gakic seems to be working. However, research is never perfect and I need more feedback from people who could do the same thing. I don't need people telling me how expensive it is...that is not a determining factor in a products ability to do what they say it does. My assessment needs to come from true results not bias complaining. I hope I get some feedback and please NOBS/
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/26/2006 1:03:23 PM
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Shrek
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Does the feeling of Gakic fade? For instance, first 10 min of workout-great pumps,strength is incredible. Then, 45 min into the workout how do you feel? I am thinking about taking Gakic in the future, hence your comments and oppions are appreciated.
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/31/2006 2:05:16 AM
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ericimi
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I had a quick question im short on money and have to pick between gakic or leukic what would you guys pick if you only had to pick one. i would make the descision myself but they both seem to have great advantages to them and i am just looking for peoples opinions thanks in advance
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 3/31/2006 6:39:52 AM
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SoTex
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Ok, I'm going to ask , sorry if this has been posted a hundred times but I couldn't find a speicific answer. If I am going to stack NO-Xplode, Cellmass, Gakic, Leukic and whey protien, what is the best combination on training days and off days? Should I not combine one with the other such as NO and Gakic pre workout? FYI, I typically workout in the evenings after work. I'm usually spot on with my supps and don't need any help but I'm going to be new to the Muscletech and want to get it right...particularly for the price! Thanks.
< Message edited by SoTex -- 3/31/2006 7:05:27 AM >
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 4/5/2006 6:09:59 PM
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JR0D08
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would it be ok for a 16 year old to take leukic and gakic> it wont stunt my growth> will it some what help me cut>?
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 4/5/2006 8:36:11 PM
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kmoney
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Hey so I have a question for you guys... right now I'm stacking cell tech and nitro tech. I want to add Leukic because I've been hearing good things but I was looking for some input on the idea. Any suggestions or concerns would be much appreciated!
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 4/5/2006 8:52:31 PM
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aznxcrazyboi90
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holy cow.. to many quesitons..
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 4/7/2006 4:41:11 PM
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HiTz
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hey guys, im new to this forum. Ive been reading up on the post(from the 1st post) through half way. Now my question, is there any fat burner that you shouldnt take with Leukic or Gakic? If so, could someone tell me. Im gonna start the Leukic and Gakic mix as soon as my, current, fat burner runs out.
please no flaming, im on Rev and Ive lost in the, almost, 3months...just under 20lbs. I feel great, and I feel in better shape then when I was before my car accident. I think my abs look and feel great but their not as ripped as they were before the accident.
so if anyone could help me out on this post, Id appreciate it. Thanx a bunch
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150lbs---> down from 170'ish or so 3months ago.
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 9/28/2006 3:37:17 PM
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TreyJordan
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If you want to follow what the instructions say then follow it to the dot. It says it only works as advertised with an intense weight training program and diet. You aren't going to get very good if any benefits if you dont' eat right. That should be done before supplementing anyways. Anybody looking for the magic pill Gakic is not it. It is however a GREAT supplement to take after and only after you've mastered your diet.
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 9/29/2006 4:27:00 PM
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NormandieProject
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I tried the Leukic and Gakic stack together. The pumps are great... I was lifting slightly heavier and could also push an extra 1 rep to my set.
Personally, I prefer the gakic over the leukic. But after 2 weeks of taking these supps, I noticed that I was able to stay in the gym between 2 to 3 hours. Even after the 3rd hour, I felt that I could've done more.
I gained about 20 pounds during this 2.5-3 month cycle, but it was due to my diet.
Currently, I've been on the shock therapy and storm stack for about a week, and it doesn't feel the same. Maybe I have to wait another week to feel the results. But I'm going back to the leukic and gakic stack once I finish the s/t and storm tubs.
You should check out Coulaid's review on the leukic, gakic, and anator p70 stack. He's had some impressive results.
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 10/1/2006 11:31:11 AM
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mehmood
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im 15 will it be okay for me to try all these new supps coming out like gakic and leucik and creacik
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 10/1/2006 11:47:06 AM
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durandalinfinity
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Ok too many new people with too many questions.
I'll do my best to take it down
Protein: Post Workout a Whey protein is near essencial for bulking or retaining muscle mass. A Hydrolized protein is reccomended (EX. ON 100%, Cytosport Complete)
Creatine: A Natural Amino Acid both produced and consumed by the human body, increases ATP production thus giving muscle more energy (Any Creatine Monohydrate) Cellmass, Cell-Tech, Creakic, Cre-Alkalyn all overpriced and work the same as bulk Mono with less water retention. Save Cell-Tech which is just Creatine and 75g of sugar
Nitric Oxide: Increase vascular size and will add larger enlongated pumps (Gakic, Nitrix, Bulk L-Arginine, Citruline Malate, and many others)
Branch Chain amino acids: LEUCINE (LEUKIC), Valine, Isoleucine. Leucine while the most important of these 3 for muscle building requires the other 2 to maintain a healthy balance.
Leukic- LEUCINE with added chemicals, HYPE
Anator P70 "Gene Activator"- Leucine, Creatine, Phenylalanine - HYPE Leucine will help lift a bit, Creatine will inflate your size (1inch larger biceps in 30 days crap they say), Phenylalanine will inflate your mood thus making you "feel good".
Nitro-Tech: Whey protein concentrate, overhyped but still whey, though vastly unpure due to its small protein amount and large scoop size. Fine if you want to take it but nothing special
Cell-Tech: 5g of Creatine Mono, and 75g of sugar... too much sugar, too much hype, too overpriced.
Creakic: Specialized Creatine Mono formula with an added (kic) chain. Not hype, take if you want. Nothing Special.
Food, Whey, Creatine Mono, Vitamins, and mabey a NO product if you want are the only real KEYS to size gain.
man do I wish I were a mod on this board... the word really needs to be spread with that.
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RE: Leukic/Gakic review - 10/1/2006 8:14:46 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: durandalinfinity
Ok too many new people with too many questions.
I'll do my best to take it down
Protein: Post Workout a Whey protein is near essencial for bulking or retaining muscle mass. A Hydrolized protein is reccomended (EX. ON 100%, Cytosport Complete)
Creatine: A Natural Amino Acid both produced and consumed by the human body, increases ATP production thus giving muscle more energy (Any Creatine Monohydrate) Cellmass, Cell-Tech, Creakic, Cre-Alkalyn all overpriced and work the same as bulk Mono with less water retention. Save Cell-Tech which is just Creatine and 75g of sugar
Nitric Oxide: Increase vascular size and will add larger enlongated pumps (Gakic, Nitrix, Bulk L-Arginine, Citruline Malate, and many others)
Branch Chain amino acids: LEUCINE (LEUKIC), Valine, Isoleucine. Leucine while the most important of these 3 for muscle building requires the other 2 to maintain a healthy balance.
Leukic- LEUCINE with added chemicals, HYPE
Anator P70 "Gene Activator"- Leucine, Creatine, Phenylalanine - HYPE Leucine will help lift a bit, Creatine will inflate your size (1inch larger biceps in 30 days crap they say), Phenylalanine will inflate your mood thus making you "feel good".
Nitro-Tech: Whey protein concentrate, overhyped but still whey, though vastly unpure due to its small protein amount and large scoop size. Fine if you want to take it but nothing special
Cell-Tech: 5g of Creatine Mono, and 75g of sugar... too much sugar, too much hype, too overpriced.
Creakic: Specialized Creatine Mono formula with an added (kic) chain. Not hype, take if you want. Nothing Special.
Food, Whey, Creatine Mono, Vitamins, and mabey a NO product if you want are the only real KEYS to size gain.
man do I wish I were a mod on this board... the word really needs to be spread with that.
too many people with questions? any forum should be so lucky
For you to assess supplements without citing fact is ridiculous, you call the (kic) ketoisocaproic acid calcium moiety of leukic gakic and creakic a "chemical" ... hype. Please do some research prior to posting or giving advice. Members here work hard in the gym and hard for their money and would be much better served than to read through your glossary of bs.
Leukic is an an amino acid conjugated with kic (see above) to stimulate muscle anabolism at the receptor level. Depending on the individual, results may vary. Receptor mediated muscle growth is difficult to study and can vary from one subject to another.
Gakic, like leukic, combines two amino acids, glycine and arginine with -kic. In theory, this compound will fight fatigue during intense muscular activity by combatting the effects of amonia buildup alowing subjects to lift harder and break through a plateau.
Above all, do your dilligence in researching what you are ingesting. Match your supplements to your training and track your progress. Only then will we be able to determine the efficacy of these two interesting supp's.
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