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Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:19 PM
A Review of Critical Bench, the Customized Bench Program


As much as I enjoyed Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle by Tom Venuto, I enjoyed this 31 page e-book by Mike Westerdal called Critical Bench, the customized bench press program. Reading it was a breeze as nearly 10 of the pages are an actual week by week customized program. Once you tell the service at Critical Bench your previous benching experience (how much you've done and how many reps) they were able to figure out my theoretical maximum and design a program that would have me increase my pressing by as much as 50 lbs.

My first impression was.. and I'll be honest.. WOW! Simply because the personalization of this program really hit home. Not everybody eats the same. Not everybody has the same genetics. By tailoring it just a little bit to me, it was obvious this wasn't some generic program. It was my Critical Bench press program.

There's six sections. The first section goes over the training, the need for variety, and some very simple workout terms. It's a primer for what's to come. Planning exactly what you are going to do, where you are, how you get there is essential.

This would be a very vague goal, because you weren’t specific in giving yourself a deadline or an amount of weight you wanted to add to your bench. Another example would be a captain of a ship saying he wanted to sail north. He would start of going north but would eventually get lost at sea without knowing exactly where he wanted to go. This is not going to happen to you.
This was a key point. Here's your 31 page book. No hype. No B.S. much like Tom's book. It takes these 6 sections and then at the end.. gives YOU EXACT routines, exercises and in terms of benching.. the weight and reps you should strive for on each workout. It doesn't get any more customized then that unless you hire a personal trainer to take you thru this program.

Following the program and the exercises in the order listed is imperative. Why? For example, it would be a really bad idea to fatigue and workout your triceps before your chest day. This is a program for benching. In order to bench, you need to be recovered and have all the muscle groups ready to support the chest. No pre-exhausting the triceps when they are a very important secondary muscle group involved in this exercise. So this is just another example of the exercises will be listed for you and what exercises you do, what day in what order. Not vague generalizations but EXACT details.

Mike moves on with a couple of choices for picking your split days.. whatever works for you. Even with my crappy schedule, I was able to pick one that will work for me. There's only about 3 but.. they are pretty standard and pretty flexible.

An obvious section covers the "how to do the exercise" and where the bar goes, how low, and some definitions and explanations of lower 1/2 reps and why they are useful. A good section on stretching and warming up.. again.. specifics.. not "warm up" and be ready. Even the speed at which to do the exercises is discussed.

“Whatever you lift today, you must lift more tomorrow.” And so at the end of the book is your training log.. where you will record this.. but there's more..

Training partners. If you are serious about this program.. you are going to need a partner or somebody in the gym you can trust. Why? Because if you are doing negatives, or a max set.. you NEED to have somebody there, ready, who is alert and capable of helping you. This isn't a program for smith machines. This isn't a program for machines. This is a free weight barbell (where you'll need spots) and dumbbell (probably not) kind of program. So if you CANNOT, no way, ask for help or get a training partner, then you will not get 100% out of this program. You can get a lot out of it.. but you will not be the most efficient if you can't find some quality help. Even if you don't have a partner, can you honestly say.. I know nobody at my gym, even the staff, that I trust that can help me. If you answer that.. true.. well then. But I'd say most of us who are serious know people or can find somebody. And that's really important when you are going for your new maxs and are pushing yourself to an intense level.


The bench press is a very mental lift. Big numbers can be intimidating, and so can three, four, or five plates on each side of the bar. Some people can do 310 lbs but can’t get 315 lbs. Some people can get 395 lbs but not 400 lbs, because 400 lbs sounds so much heavier. Or they can lift 400 lbs but not 405 lbs because the four plates on each side of the bar psyches them out. The most important thing we can tell you is: “Never Plant A Seed Of Doubt In Your Mind!”


Nuff said.. mental attitude is a big part of this. And I have to agree 100%.

I didn't believe it would be this detailed but Critical Bench even tells you the three steps you need to do before and the day of your bench days. Very basic.. no secrets but that is how detailed it gets. This is about your benching.. 100% devoted to maximizing your lifts.

There's a supplement section... much like those of you who have read Max-OT the Workout there's that section. But Mike is honest. If you use stuff you like, stick with it, but we offer a line as well. Fine. Up front and honest. Very good section regardless on what Mike considers to be a basic supplement regimen. Have to say, I take about 90% of what's recommended.

Moving on, Critical Bench gives a nice overview.. maybe 2 paragraphs on eating for power. How much protein, how many carbohydrates and how much fat per day. It's not about cutting. It's about feeding yourself optimally for a 100% lift.

There's a Tips and Tricks section. Nothing fancy. Just a few things to consider to help you out (chalk on the hands if you can, gloves that have wrist support.. etc).

There's a Critical Support Group (a forum.. but we know DB is da bomb!) that will help you out if you have specific questions about this program once you are on it. And you can always e-mail Mike as he gives his full e-mail address along with a secondary. When he contacted me and I wrote back, he's been responsive.

By week 11 you are maxing out!

And the following 10 pages are the actual training log.. step by step, how much weight, how many reps to do for the 12 weeks.

Conclusion:

If you want to maximize your bench. If you want EXACT guidelines and a training log setup for you on how to do this (reps, weight, exercises, rest periods) then Critical Bench meets the needs. There's a full body workout and no body parts are excluded but this book is about your bench. And everything related to it. Eating, sleeping and supplementing. I was truly amazed and it's level of personalization in the training log. At first I didn't get it. The note said, this wouldn't work for anybody else. And then I looked and I saw numbers for benching that made sense.. for me. And then it hit me. It's MY program.

Overall, I was impressed. The principles are sound. The exercises are heavy basics which we in DB agree on using anyway. And there's a good focus on avoiding overtraining which is important. I found the level of specifics to be better then expected. Nothing worse then buying a book on how to do it and when you are done you wonder how to do it. You won't have that feeling after this.

Critical Bench, the Customized Bench Program
Marc C. David - NGA CPT
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:55 PM
mda, im going to go broke buying all these ebooks!

lol, I like this, i've seen it before, i'd like to give it a try sometime.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:06 PM
Yeah.. but.. it's good reading.

Better then watching the news.. or seeing 5 crappy Hollyblow movies.

Maybe we can devise a "layaway plan" for you.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, February 13, 2004 12:25 AM
lol, layaway huh... Sorry, I dont think that would work for me, because I would probably end up not paying, I can't trust myself when I get things before I have to pay. hehe

I will follow your post about it, and it the price is right, i'll get a copy.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:49 PM
Week 1 of Critical Bench


Pretty excited to try this so let's chalk some of this up to energy going into the gym. I followed it exactly as outlined. I warmed up.. stretches, some rotator cuff work, a couple of shoulder presses.. nothing big. Just loosened up. Actually felt good. Got the blood flowing.

Flat Bench Press:
135 x 10; 225 x 6; 270 x 4; 285 x 2

285 was a new personal best! And even though I did only 2.. I really felt I could have done one more..maybe 2! But I didn't want to overdo it.. so I just followed the outline..

Incline Bench Press:

185 x 8; 205 x 6; 210 x 3

210? I quit at 3.. again.. I swear I could have pumped out one more. I just followed the directions. I know that when it comes time to max out, I might be glad I didn't do just one more.. I'm building up.. so..

Dumbbell Flyes:

40 x 8; 45 x 8; 40 x 8

Ahh.. the good stretch.

Summary:

Felt great! I was really happy with 285. I'd have to saw it was partially due to my enthusiasm going in and warming up and getting into the workout quicker. Very happy thus far.. but hey.. 1 workout? I really liked the outline of the program and I really liked the principles. Customization was great and the charts tailored to my needs. But we'll see what happens in the up-coming 11 weeks.

Next week it has me doing 290 lbs for 1-2 reps.. now that would be another personal best.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, February 15, 2004 6:23 PM

ORIGINAL: mda1125

Flat Bench Press:
135 x 10; 225 x 6; 270 x 4; 285 x 2

285 was a new personal best! And even though I did only 2.. I really felt I could have done one more..maybe 2! But I didn't want to overdo it.. so I just followed the outline..

Incline Bench Press:

185 x 8; 205 x 6; 210 x 3

Dumbbell Flyes:

40 x 8; 45 x 8; 40 x 8

Summary:

Felt great! I was really happy with 285. I'd have to saw it was partially due to my enthusiasm going in and warming up and getting into the workout quicker. Very happy thus far.. but hey.. 1 workout? I really liked the outline of the program and I really liked the principles. Customization was great and the charts tailored to my needs. But we'll see what happens in the up-coming 11 weeks.

Next week it has me doing 290 lbs for 1-2 reps.. now that would be another personal best.

Nice workout.

Now to the complaints

GRRRRRRRRRR that makes me mad, with me taking off all next week, you up and post numbers like THIS??? Now, I'm just snorting and pawing the ground, DYING to push some weight, will I? NOOOOOOOOOOO, but BOY do I want to sooooooo bad

Marc, you are a cruel, cruel man.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:32 PM
Dude, you da man! 285? WOW! I'm just trying to beat 100! Of course, I have only been working out for 10 months, and I had to take 2 months off, so it's kinda like I started 5 months ago! Give me a couple of years, and i'll be coming up close to ya!
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:36 PM
Let's see how Week 2 goes.. I'm pretty hyped about that. Thanks Slayerboy..
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, February 23, 2004 2:09 PM
I just did my first critical bench workout- Yeah, I spent the money before waiting for MDA's full review. What can I say, he hasn't led me astray yet. I'm probably not going to follow the whole body workout they lay out for you, since I think I can do better justice to my other muscle groups by sticking with Max OT, but I am going to apply all the rules regarding the chest workouts and when your other muscle groups should be worked out in relation to chest day.
So, after my very first critical bench workout, I have to say I feel good about it. Only time will tell as far as results go, but the personalized chart of how much you should lift per set seems to be right on the money for me. I also lifted my personal best, which was cool- and I can't wait to see if I can meet next week's required sets, reps and weights.
I liked warming up my shoulders beforehand, which I've never done before- But to tell the truth, I did do more than one warm up set of bench presses, even though they only listed one set of ten. I just felt safer making sure I felt warmed up.
Part of me wants to try to apply the same program to different muscle groups, but I think I'll wait and see how this goes for right now.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, February 23, 2004 8:55 PM
Week 2 of Critical Bench



Okay. Something was seriously wrong with this week. You see, I've had this lousy flu that forced me to take a week off. Technically this would have been Week 3 but with the recovery week. Now here's what's not going to make any sense with all the talk of coming back at 60% for that first week after your break. And since I was sick, it wasn't like I was supplementing the same or just recovering joint-wise.

So I can't yet explain the below. All I can say is that I was hyped to workout, I felt good and I didn't give a poo about a few sniffs.

Granted, the week before I was a big baby, and watched a lot of TV. And spent hours writing some e-book.

Flat Bench Press:

135 x 10; 225 x 6; 275 x 4; 290 x 2

290 was a new personal best! And I did only 2. I can't really explain how I'm doing my new best 2 weeks ago, take a week off, and come back and make a new best. And the kicker is, normally when I come back, I really feel a loss of strength. This time, nada. Nothing.

Incline Dumbbell Press:

70 x 8; 90 x 6; 95 x 4

95? I quit at 4.. Just following the outline. But considering I just did 290 and then I did the 95s? WTF?

Dumbbell Flyes:

40 x 8; 50 x 6; 40 x 8

Ahh.. the good stretch. Same as 2 weeks ago so I have nothing to add. Felt good.

Summary:

Felt great! I don't know what to say. I mean 290 for me is a big fat deal. Once I'm totally recovered from this cold (which I pretty much 99% am) I'm thinking in 2 weeks I'm going to do 315 lbs on a flat bench, free weight for at least 1 rep.

I just don't exactly know the deal. 9 times out of 10 when I'm sick and come back.. I have to ease into it. When I take my 1 week off from heavy training I really don't feel up to the full regime and I know it. But this time I just felt good. Like fine. The warm up regimen in this program is totally what I needed. I too normally just warm up with the bench exercise but for whatever reason, I'm doing the full warm-up listed in the program (shoulders and stuff) and when I bench it just feels like I got it. More control.

So we'll see what goes next week. But I'm pretty happy today. Very unexpected.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:14 AM
All I can say is the force is strong with this one...

The mind is a powerful tool my friend!

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:01 PM
Critical Flu- The review
Could it be you've stumbled upon some muscle building strain of the flu? Perhaps you could sell your germs.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:40 PM
gosh....i cannot believe the progress you are making in just 3 weeks....minus the flu....WOW and keep in mind your max was 280(thats what u told me) and now u are pumping it for reps...even thou only 2 but u still have juice left..........quite a simple program.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i wanna do it!!!!!! i do i do

id have to go sumthin like....seems iffy!!!

135 for 10
215 for 6
235 for 4
245 for 2

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:38 PM
Bird flu.. got it from too much chicken.

Boyrancher..

Now that is a more realistic way to up the weight. Less sets. Warm up.. go heavy.. done.

Add one more set.

After your 245, do a set of 135 for 10-12 reps as a burn out. You gotta tell us how it goes.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:14 AM
hey mda, i was wonderin, my best max ever was 260...and although i THINK i am stronger right now i dont believe i can pump 260 out after all the other exercises on flat bench...ya know? like most i ever pushed 225 for was 2 consecutive sets for 4 reps........couple of days ago i did 230 for 2 consecutive sets at 5 reps....so should my workout be based upon my max and go with weight lower than that? i mean 245 is a LONG way from 260 and YOU are still pushing your max after all that other stuff.............YIKES!!!! are u "juicing"???? im kiddin im just jelous!!!! good luck and be well

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:05 PM
hey MDA,

doesn't telling boyrancher to do 135lbs 10-12 reps as a burnout after his heavy set go against everything MAX-OT stands for? MAX-OT pretty much says that a burn-out is a waste of time.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:08 PM

doesn't telling boyrancher to do 135lbs 10-12 reps as a burnout after his heavy set go against everything MAX-OT stands for?


Yes. But I'm following the program as close as I can. They suggest a burn-out so I do it.

It does go away what Max-OT says. And it goes against what I've done for the last 1.5 years.

But in order to say if it works or not for me, I'm going to follow it and whatever the program says. So that I'm not modifying it to suit my needs.

Max-OT was/is awesome! But I followed it pretty close. Didn't modify it. I'm giving this program the benefit of the doubt as well. See how it goes. So far, I'm happy.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:15 PM
Same here- I'm going to follow Critical Bench when it comes to chest exercises (Okay, except maybe for the warmup) because I'm curious to see if it works or not. Max OT has worked wonders for me, sure- And I still follow that routine when it comes to all my other muscle groups, but you should always be open to trying out other programs, even if it's just to switch things up a little. Besides, trying out this program could help other people decide if they want to give it a shot- Of course, we'll all have to wait a few weeks to see if it's worth the time. Nothing beats experience when it comes to advice.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:52 PM
Now im excited... :o)

Im going to stick with my Max-OT program right now. Going to stick with the program until I at least finish the whole program.

After that, Im definitely going to give "Critical Bench" a try.

Good stuff Marc...

Si,

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, February 27, 2004 4:42 AM
sly, u will get good results from max ot, but ur body will get used to it and u wont get as much over a long term use......so a change will be needed to keep on progressing......its what ive been needing

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, February 27, 2004 7:53 AM
Actually boyrancher, you can stick to any program for a long time- So long as you keep switching up the order you work the muscles in. For example-

Week 1 shoulder workout
military presses
side lateral raises
shrugs

Week 2 shoulder workout
side lateral raises
shrugs
military presses

I find that when I switch the order up, I'm always able to perform my best with the first exercise I do- I can lift my max weight for military presses for five or six reps each set when I do them first, but if I do them last I can only squeeze out four or five reps per set. Switching up the order you perform those exercises, and throwing in new exercises while giving others a rest is really all you need to do to keep the gains coming.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, February 27, 2004 11:42 AM
hey mda, should my chest workout be based on my 260 max? meaning i should always try to end at or close to 260 instead of 245 like i was? and maybe take the other sets/reps DOWN in weight???? later

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, February 27, 2004 11:19 PM
Based on your max.. actually based on the max you want to acheive.

If I based my workouts on my max.. I would have stopped already. So far, 2 weeks in a row, I've beat my previous record. So in other words, each week when you do chest, that 4th maybe 5th set.. is your top.. new max possibly.

Then after a couple of weeks.. you take it down.. the thing is.. you don't go super heavy for 11 weeks straight.

It's not some secret. It's just a method of training. If you can do 260, then you outta include that for 1-2 reps. Then take it down after that.. as in.. Flat Bench.. warmup, medium, heavy, heaviest, burn out.. next chest exercise.. 8 reps for 3 sets, new exercise, 8 reps for 3 sets.. Done.

As you can see, the flat bench is where you smoke! And really it's just 1-2 sets that you are near the top 100% of your all.. if not over.

Very interesting concept. We shall see how week 3 goes soon.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:55 AM
thx alot man.......today is the big day!!!! chest and back....and im taking nitrix too......i did finally get them in yesterday so i hope they make me THINK im stronger, lol and i will post what happened

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review/my info - Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:15 PM
well today was my first CRITICAL BENCH workout thanks to MDA.....here she goes
(flat bench)
135 for 10
220 for 6
240 for 4
250 for 2
185 for 10
(incline dumblells) FIRST TIME DOIN DUMBELL CHEST ANYTHINGS!!!!
65 for 8
70 for 6
65 for 8
(dumbell flys)
40 for 8
45 for 6
40 for 8

although i didnt set new records, im still happy becuase i went too heavy too quick in my opinion....well i guess 250 was my OLD goal.....its at a current 275........ehhhhhhhhh who knows

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, March 01, 2004 9:43 PM
Week 3 of Critical Bench



Not big flat bench today. Incline..

Incline Bench Press:
185 x 6; 205 x 4; 235 x 4

Flat Bench Press:
205 x 8; 225 x 8; 225 x 7; 205 x 6

Cable Crossovers:
60x8; 70x8; 80x7

Summary:

New personal best on the incline. Felt good. Doing the cable crossovers was nice. Hella good pump. Doing 205 and then 225 on the flat was sweet. I actually got more reps out at 225 then I think I've ever done before. Much lighter weight. Felt good. Today was a big gain on the incline and then a pump the rest of the workout. Next week looks a little crazier.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:39 AM
interesting......big numbers on the incline...most i can do is 175 for 8 reps, 185 for 4-6

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:57 AM
MDA..........grrrrrrrrrr i ordered the stupid critical bench DOWNLOAD..........and im using the work computers here.......i COULDNT get it to DOWNLOAD......and i was soooooo mad i CLOSED the screen........now what........stupid CB.....stupid me for buying it.......

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:00 AM
Week 4 of Critical Bench




Today was heavy day.. unlike last week which was more reps.

Flat Bench Press:
265 x 5; 275 x 4; 300 x 2

Incline Dumbbell Press:
80 x 8; 90 x 6; 95 x 6

Incline Dumbbell Flyes:
35x8;40x8;45x8

Summary:

New personal best on the flat. Felt good. Felt heavy! But 300! That is a new best on the flat, free weight bench press for me. I was pretty happy. Less "pumped" feeling then the higher reps last week but definitely an all out intensity, "Thru the Roof!" kinda feeling. I'm ready for 315 lbs. I know that is gonna be a struggle but who cares. 1 rep... so I can say I did it. Good workout on a Sunday. Nobody in the gym.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, March 08, 2004 1:20 PM
holy POO mda....that IS impressive!!!! from 280 to 300 for TWO reps in one month....incredible....took me one month to add 10lbs to my bench...and i was overloading the POO out of the chest tris and shoulders on chest day......im debating wether or not to start my critical bench program....since it recomends 8 hrs of rest and i dont get that...and i work 3 days and get ONE day off...so i dont know if i want a 5 day a week program....that and with me leaving in the next 1.5 months...it would get in the way of my training..i AM lookin foward to starting it..all except i know when the negatives come....i dont think i will have the spotters....the one i got now is a weakling...sigh

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:16 PM
Week 5 of Critical Bench


Today was the only light day of the program..

Flat Bench Press: 1/2 reps lower
225 x 10; 245 x 10; 225 x 10

Flat Bench Press: 1/2 reps upper:
225 x 10; 245 x 10; 225 x 10

Dumbbell Pullovers:
80x10;80x10;80x10

Summary:

I could tell immediately when doing the 1/2 reps where my weak spot was. Lower. My triceps are strong. When I did the 1/2 reps for the upper movement it was cake. Granted, my triceps are really sore because it put all the weight on them. Great triceps exercise. The bottom movement was difficult. Doing a full rep is not as when I get past my sticking point, a lot of the push comes from my triceps. However, my weak spot is obviously the bottom movement.

1/2 reps were an interesting switch up.

Dumbbell pullovers were nice for a good stretch.

It's all about the chest!
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:56 AM
thats usually where I stick too.......actually where MOST people stick!!!! i had a BAD experience on chest workout for week 2 mda, i used the outdoor bench and the highest i got by myself was 240 for 1.....im supposed to get 260 for 1......it was sad but we now got a new gym with 2 good benches and im lookin foward to week 3 although its a low weight day......................good progress MDA

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:51 PM
is this an ok thing for a 14/15 year old to do.. i really wanna up my bench press weight because i've never had good chest strength... rigth now i bench 110/115 for 8 sets.. but what i really have to do is work on the lower part of my press.. its by far the hardest part of it for me... i could easily add more weight if it weren't for that part... thanks for ne info on that
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:25 PM

110/115 for 8 sets


If you can do that weight for 8 sets, then the weight is by far too light.

I wouldn't suggest Critical Bench until you really have an idea of what is heavy, what you can handle and maybe get out of the growing phase. I've read a few places that teens (young teens not 18) doing really heavy weights can be tough on the growth plates.

Anyway, if you are doing 8 sets at that weight, you probably have no idea what you could reasonable handle at 1-2 reps.

Or negatives for that matter.

So I'd say no. This program probably isn't for you just yet. I like it a lot and the principles are sound. But from the sounds of it, you are still in the beginning stages and a little more experience would get you on track to tackle a program like this and make super gains.

Just up the weight you are doing now and drop the sets. Doing 8 sets at the same weight.. it's no wonder you are sort of stuck. If you always do what you always do, then you'll always get what you always get. Bump the weight up.. drop the sets. Go heavier.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, March 22, 2004 10:56 AM
Interesting system. My friend is running Max-OT right now and loving it. I was going to try it, but this system may be the way I go. Not sure.

Keep up the good work.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, March 22, 2004 10:08 PM
Week 6 of Critical Bench



BIG incline today.. phew.. it was heavy. I'm not gonna lie.

Flat Bench Press:
270 x 4; 280 x 4; 305 x 2

Dumbbell Incline Bench Press:
80 x 8; 75 x 8; 70 x 10

Cable Crossovers:
70x8; 70x8; 80x7

Summary:

I'm not gonna lie. 305 lbs on a flat bench. I know I crapped out at the bottom. But I didn't feel like I couldn't handle it. Of course I had a spotter and granted, I'm sure he 'assisted' but in order to keep moving, I've got to push myself. This by far was the heaviest I've benched in my life. I'm 10 lbs away from 315 lbs. I should have been at 310 lbs today but I mis-calculated the weight. Does not matter. 305 lbs was my max.

When I did my burn out set at 185 lbs it was the oddest feeling. I swear, I did 15 solid reps with ease. Like it was nothing. 15 reps! To many that is chump change. But to me.. that felt like a warm-up set. It was amazing.

I can only imagine when I do a set of negatives for 350 lbs that 315 lbs might feel light!
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:38 PM
hello, im rather new to this all, the lifting aspect, and i was wondering if there mght be sme help for me? ive been recentley stuck in a regression, in benching now i can only press 315 for 3, and i am wondering how to implament the critical benchng oprogram with my training. i was using max ot, but i seem to shrink over night, previous bext max was trippling 350, but ill work up eventually, any tips? i really wish i could increast it i suppose ive deocnditioned, but ill grow soemtime soon, for my size, my arms are rather tiny.. any tips on how this can apply? thanks
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:01 PM
Work the whole body.. deadlifts, bench.. squats.

And check out Critical Bench

It's just how the program is structured that is nice. Just different. And customized for you. Seems to have helped me somewhat break out of what I was doing.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, March 26, 2004 5:30 PM
thanks for the welcoming comittie, it feels great to find some people who actually know what the are doing, . next workout ill post. pushups seem to be my biggest booster usally, but mostly for me bolster all three deseried gins: strength, size, and a little endurence, when i plauteu, i usally break, but ive heard in max ot to completley stop training?

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, March 26, 2004 5:35 PM

but ive heard in max ot to completley stop training?


Yeah man. A quick week long break after 2 months gives your body a chance to catch up to your work out program.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, March 26, 2004 8:30 PM
nice ill most deffinatley take that into consideration in the split, oh by the way, i was flipping through max ot, and was confuzzled, whats the diffrencde between dumbell flies and chest press? is the chest press dont without arms bent or not? im 16 and should be picking up next monday.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:27 PM
i hope i didnt kill the thread, back to benching, up to 320! w00t! i cant wait for whats next. whoyah!

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, April 02, 2004 9:54 AM
at 16yrs old, u can push 320.............ill bow down to that if i saw it..............ta ta

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, April 02, 2004 7:56 PM
I deleted the eBook.. After the 320 bench.. I decided to focus on the TV Shows I Can't Miss...

Alright.. No.. but that is still stinking impressive!
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, April 02, 2004 8:36 PM
if all possible i know where to get a digital-video camera at school, can upload when i film, if its able to be loaded on here . might be more depending on when its shot. i just gotta take it one day at a time. after break, should be able to. a lot of things occur that affect. sofar, record, this may be a bit off topic, and id sure would not have any objections to documenting/ taping, but tis around 420 on squats, 325 on deads, and 320ish benching. not a lot, but not a ittly bit. i can not curl more than 135, but i doubt the biceps play a major role in benching. currentley i am 230, with 15%bf, around 5'8". gotta gain some mas for the off season of wrestling... fun times

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Friday, April 02, 2004 9:56 PM
If you are able to document this.. good lighting.. keep it PG rated.. and it's good..

We can talk. I might be able to put it up somewhere. MPEG file.

PM or E-mail me if you really do this and it's a good shot.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 05, 2004 6:03 PM
Week 8 of Critical Bench



BIG flat today.. phew.. it was heavy. I'm not gonna lie. Negatives. Stares.

Flat Bench Press:
225 x 8; 315 x 4(negative); 345 x 4(negative); 315 x 4(negative)

Incline Bench Press:
155 x 8; 135 x 9; 135x 10

Cable Crossovers:
70x8; 70x8; 60x8

Summary:

345lbs on a flat bench. Like the book said.. it's gonna be more then you can handle. And it was right. I had a spotter on each side and one in the back. I'm sure I lost all respect as people looked and thought or said "What a moron. There's no way he can handle that."

Point being, it was negatives and I was not trying to handle it.. just keep it controlled on the way down. Going that heavy.. way over the limit I would ever set for myself. But the point was.. 315 lbs seemed a lot lighter.

I think I got 1-2 up on my own the very first set of negatives!

It made me realize that what you see in the gym (minus form) you can't really comment on. The purpose of this program is to be able to do 1 rep at 315 lbs on my own. A new max. Which is 50 lbs over my past max.

So those who are wondering... where is Week 7? I did it. It was light. Nothing major. And nothing really to report on. The mental focus on this was started 2 weeks ago when I wondered how I was going to get anybody to spot me.

Luckily there were 3 guys in there.. old timers.. who all happened to be there at the same time. And I knew them. And it wasn't a crowded day.

I got all the comments of.. doing this is gonna wreck you.

But the point again.. I just want to do 315 lbs 1x under my own power. And in order to get there, I'm doing this 12 week program.

I have to say, Week 8 is the hardest of them all.

(1) Finding 3 spotters would have been impossible. I got lucky.
(2) That was an incredible amount of weight. 345 lbs.. was like.. HOLY CRAP!! I had to work hard just to control the bar and not let it smash me.

I think by Week 11, 315 lbs is gonna be something I can certainly do.

And if so, the program was a success!

Very good day today. I'm sure nobody respects me now. Except maybe Powerhaus.. maybe....
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 05, 2004 8:47 PM
Whoa. 345? itbrings back memories of the benching i dd when in wrestling. nothing to sneeze at. i know exactly what you mean, people around, helping if you need it. varies, although they kept saying, get angry! lol it might have worked if i had not been warming up for the tourney. i felt it for a week after, could barley reech cross my torso, it was defieled.. go you, youll probally be pulling 400 plus by years end. as for me ive tried, only at 325 for 6 at a friends house. btw, any recomendations for size? i consider myself to be tiny, although im a bit over 200. keep it up man, iyoull be pushing a chunk in no time.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 05, 2004 8:51 PM
In all honestly, 345 lbs was way more then I could handle right now. I was just keeping focused enough to keep the bar from squishing me.

I think my goal was on this program to hit 315 lbs. And I believe at Week 11 I will be able to do that. For reps at some point.

Don't get the impression I did 345 lbs. It was negatives from rep 1. There was no way.. I could have pushed it up under my own strength.

I'm 184 lbs now. Critical Bench is a great program. You want size? Try the Max-OT program.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:24 PM
Can I get a couple tips to build up my chest? I'm pretty weak on the bench, on my second rep do I have to go up that far in weight or just move up to a comfortable that I can push?

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:28 PM

ORIGINAL: colombian369

Can I get a couple tips to build up my chest? I'm pretty weak on the bench, on my second rep do I have to go up that far in weight or just move up to a comfortable that I can push?

Then use nothing but dumbell's for several weeks. My recommendation is to not use a barbell and perform the following exercises at a minimum.

Flat Bench DB press
Incline DB Press

Now a major point to remember is that bench is not just pecs, it's shoulders (Delts) and Triceps also.

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 19, 2004 4:30 PM
Week 9 of Critical Bench



Flat Bench Press:
270 x 5; 290 x 4;325x2; 225 x 8

Incline Bench Press:
155 x 8; 185 x 6; 205x 5

Decline Dumbbell Flyes:
40x8;45x8;50x6

Summary:

Doing 325 lbs for 2 reps was not bad! Hard as hell and I had to push 100% but my spotter didn't seem phased. I've noticed that many people if they have to help too much will say something.

Pretty sore the next whole week. I missed posting this right after I did it. But overall, another great workout.

These weights are way over what I would normally handle so I'm feeling pretty good about the program after week 9. 8 weeks ago there was no way I could do 315 lbs on my own.. Now I'm pretty confident that I'm going to be able to do it a few times. Maybe 1 or 2 times but that is above my record when I started and most certainly shows me this particular program has worked for my training style and needs.

Week 10 is right around the corner. Nothing nearly as crazy as week 8. But It's above the 300 mark for sure.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 19, 2004 5:06 PM

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Week 9 of Critical Bench



Flat Bench Press:
270 x 5; 290 x 4;325x2; 225 x 8

Damn dude, I'm feeling pretty weak right now looking at these numbers

And Laser is really starting to kick my ass too, man this is just not good

Time to chuck it all and become a hermit

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Monday, April 19, 2004 5:10 PM
No. Time to take a week break. Get motivated and figure out a program that is gonna work for you.

So far, this program and Max-OT have been great. But I think it's because it fits my training style. Warm-up, go heavy, go home.

The longer the workout is.. the more fatigued I am and the less motivated I am in the long run. Could be the program you are on.. just does not fit you?

But the numbers I've seen from you are impressive and you've come a long way dude. You are just getting to the good parts!
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:11 AM
Hang on a second MDA...I am a little confused. Your goal is to max out at 315 at the end of the program but last week you did 325 X 2....so arent you already at your goal??

And would you reccommend critical bench to a teen?

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:15 AM

but last week you did 325 X 2


With help.

My goal is 315 lbs.. without help. I think I can do that.. I'll know next week when I try.

The program puts you over the top.. negatives.. more weight then you can handle in order to get you to your goal. I think I did 325 lbs pretty good last week. But yesterday, I tried 335 lbs.. NO WAY.

Would I recommend it to a teen? Good question. It's much like Max-OT. Some of the weeks you are way way over your max. When I tried for 355 lbs.. 4 negatives. I am glad I had 3 spotters. So I guess the question is.. if a teen has been working out for a long time, knows the form well, has good qualified help and understands what HEAVY is.. it might not be bad. But I'm still stuck under the impression (maybe false) that if you are still growing, doing extremely heavy weights puts stress on joints and such when you are still growing.

I'll say, I recommend it to anybody who wants to increase their bench. But I think those who are not growing, who have years of experience working out, will probably get the best benefits. But it's not like you can never do the program later on. So you can always try it.. and come back to it if it isn't for you at this time.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:45 AM
Marc,

I know that CB is all about the bench but how has the rest of your body responded? I'm seriously toying with CB next but I would like to at least maintain what I have acheived in other areas. I know that Shoulders and Triceps are gonna be pounded as part of the bench routines but how has YOUR body responded in the areas that have NOT be a main focus?

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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:09 AM
Just maintenance really. I've not noticed any loss of strength in areas. But I don't think I've broken any records lately either.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:38 PM
Week 11 of Critical Bench



Flat Bench Press:
270 x 5; 290 x 4;315x2; 225 x 10

Incline Dumbbell Press:
85 x 8; 90 x 6; 100 x 5

Cable Flyes:
80x7;70x8;70x8

Summary:

When I put up 290 lbs for 5 reps.. 4 of those being pretty strong.. I knew I could hit the 315 lbs mark. It was lighter then I'd done the previous Week 10 (which I know I'm missing a post! But it was just Week 10.. I was stoked about this week).

So rather then talk about my summary because this workout was good.. I'm gonna drop into the conclusion.

Conclusion:

Critical Bench was a customized program that set me back $37. At the end of the program, I went from my very first workout of a new max of 285 lbs to my current new max of 315 lbs. That's 30 lbs on my bench. And when I was already at what I thought was my max, 30 lbs isn't so bad!

Although I felt in Week 10 when I put up 325 lbs for 2 reps, pretty much ME.. at least 1 by myself, that was really my new max. Today seemed easier. But I did it.

So after 11 weeks on this program, I figured that my bench has gone up by 30-50 lbs. I went from thinking 225 lbs was heavy and barely got 1 rep out 2 years ago, to getting 2 reps out at 325 lbs.

My feelings were that at 265 lbs, I was at my max. After starting this program, I finally got to my personal goal of 3 plates a side. Which is exactly what I want to do.

So to keep this short, I felt Critical Bench was a good program, well worth the money for something different and took me out of my plateau and onto new levels. No longer will I look at 315 lbs and wonder "What if." I know I can now go into the gym and do it. Granted, it's heavy. A max lift for sure. But it does not scare me to think about it.

I would recommend the Critical Bench program to anybody who is experienced. Has benched for some time. Free weights. Is stuck at some weight. And wants to break out of it and isn't afraid to lift heavy and hard. Having a consistent partner to help and having good spotters on Week 8 was critical. But the program was about improving the bench. Strength. And it worked for me.

Recommend.
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RE: Critical Bench -The Review - Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:41 PM
good stuff mda....glad to hear u hit ur goals........I on the other hand didnt do well with CB....the enviornment was bad....so was sleep..so i decided to start it up all over again.......now that im in the states workin 8 hours a day, NOT 12...lol i never quite hit the 275 mark........the one time i THOUGHT i did, the spotter help the bar the whole time so i didnt count it......he says it was all me, who knows!!!!

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