Side effects of Cellmass, Nitrex and No Xplode?

Im considering getting Cellmass, it sounds like a really good alternative to normal creatine (no Loading etc), also it will help with my gains as well as energy for soccer matches once a week.
I was on creatine a while ago and had all the usual bloatedness, nasty sick feeling after i took it, etc etc do you get any side effects with cellmass?

Just purchase Nitrix and wondering if there are side effects of that and No Xplode?

Where does No Xplode fit in with Cellmass (energy) and Nitrix? (pump)

You dont need to load any creatine, but with that said, Cellmass is not regular creatine.  It has a quicker and higher absobsion rate and with no bloating, etc.

I did the stack and noticed no side effects, however i also drank a lot of water and made sure i had plenty of antioxidiants.  With soccer anyways, you will want to keep yourself cleanly hydrated to keep free radical damage to a minimum.

No-Xplode rips right through my digestive track and if i take the full 3 scoops, i will be bound to the toilet for 45 minutes.  They should call it NO-Colon-Xplode. But its still a great product.

Nitrix is okay, i dont think this category of NO products works well with me.  But it still complements the stack.

Nitrix 3 times per day
No-Xplode (preworkout: 1 hr before workout/soccer)
Cellmass (postworkout: within 30 min after workout/soccer)

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Thanks for that Misanthropy, couple more questions if you got a minute

No Xplode is for energy then i take it? Do any of these products have caffine in them?
If you could choose between Cellmass or No Xplode what would you choose?
Not to trilled about No Colon Xplode, ive gotta last 90 minute soccer games with no bushes or trees nearby .. :p
Are these products you keep returning to or one off's?
The packaging makes bold statements does it really change you as quick and as fast as it says?

Thanks for your help

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No Xplode is for energy then i take it? Do any of these products have caffine in them?

No-Xplode is a preworkout supplement (energy, mental focus, etc...) and yes it has caffine in it.  It is stated in the ingrediants.

ORIGINAL: muggzy
If you could choose between Cellmass or No Xplode what would you choose?

Apples and oranges.....Cellmass is a lone creatine supplement, NO-X is much more.

ORIGINAL: muggzy
Not to trilled about No Colon Xplode, ive gotta last 90 minute soccer games with no bushes or trees nearby .. :p

Take it 1 hour before the game to avoid any potential accidents.

ORIGINAL: muggzy
Are these products you keep returning to or one off's?
The packaging makes bold statements does it really change you as quick and as fast as it says?

Yeah have tried others (superpump250, V12 turbo) but No-Xplode is by far the best preworkout supplement that ive tried and will continue to use.

You will feel the NO-X work in about 15-20 minutes on an empty stomach.  Bit longer if you ate something recently.

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Personally, I'd stick with alot of carbs for energy.

Some info about the main ingredient in Nitrix - AAKG:

Paddon-Jones et al. (2004) found that nitric oxide supplementation does not provide an ergogenic effect to healthy individuals.

It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.

Now, Cell Mass - There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence that proves Creatine Ethyl Ester (Malate) even works. Stick with the basics, good ol creatine monohydrate.

All the supplements you asked about lack evidence that prove their primary ingredients do what they claim...
I wouldn't even bother listening to anecdotal evidence given by the guy at GNC, or the supplement-head at the gym, just do yourself, and your wallet, a favor and stick with the basics.

As for energy compensation, get plenty of sleep (8-10 hrs), and a nap during the day. Eat plenty of good carbs, yams are awesome, and stay hydrated!!!

Good luck with your season.

Wow, great post beachbum!
 

 
...but when you said stick to creatine monohydrate I have to question that.  In my experience a basic monohydrate just ads a bloted look and mostly water weight.  Shouldn;t someone use a more advanced creatine with more types of creatine than mono?

ORIGINAL: Beachbum

Personally, I'd stick with alot of carbs for energy.

Some info about the main ingredient in Nitrix - AAKG:

Paddon-Jones et al. (2004) found that nitric oxide supplementation does not provide an ergogenic effect to healthy individuals.

It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.

Now, Cell Mass - There is no SCIENTIFIC evidence that proves Creatine Ethyl Ester (Malate) even works. Stick with the basics, good ol creatine monohydrate.

All the supplements you asked about lack evidence that prove their primary ingredients do what they claim...
I wouldn't even bother listening to anecdotal evidence given by the guy at GNC, or the supplement-head at the gym, just do yourself, and your wallet, a favor and stick with the basics.

As for energy compensation, get plenty of sleep (8-10 hrs), and a nap during the day. Eat plenty of good carbs, yams are awesome, and stay hydrated!!!

Good luck with your season.

The info you provide would be from a study.  It can go either way, get 10 people to say this and i can get 10 people to say that.   You never know something until you get some experience YOURSELF and make you own opinion and not someone elses "study."  Anything that you intake has a possiblility to cause some damage. By taking the proper steps necessary to make sure what you supplement is safe.  Honestly, i couldnt tell if cellmass worked or not. Recently, I have optimized my supplements based on $$ and experience on if it works for me or not.  Cellmass isnt apart of it.  Doesnt mean it wont work to some degree with someone else. You have to do your own study.  Supplementation is a fairly new science and of couse it will take time to be regulated by larger watchdog groups.  So leave it up to the consumer to make the choice to do supplementation or not.  Just educate yourself from many difference sources before you jump in. 

Main Rules of supplementation
Safety & Education:  Know what you will be getting into and how to use it for best results.
Nutrition.  This need to be good to excellent for optimimum supplementation effects.
Training.  This need to be good to excellent for optimimum supplementation effects.
Basic Supplementation. Plenty of water, minerals, vitamins, oils, antioxidants.
Rest.  At least 6-8 hours (depending on age) per night.

 

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Rest. At least 6-8 hours (depending on age) per night.

I would say that 8 hours is the bare minimum.  You should shoot for 9.

ORIGINAL: Misanthropy
The info you provide would be from a study. 

Yes, here is another: http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/134/10/2888S

"The proposed or advertised ergogenic effect of many supplements is based on a presumptive metabolic pathway and may not necessarily translate to quantifiable changes in a variable as broadly defined as exercise performance. L-arginine is a conditionally essential amino acid that has received considerable attention due to potential effects on growth hormone secretion and nitric oxide production. In some clinical circumstances (e.g., burn injury, sepsis) in which the demand for arginine cannot be fully met by de novo synthesis and normal dietary intake, exogenous arginine has been shown to facilitate the maintenance of lean body mass and functional capacity. "

It can go either way, get 10 people to say this and i can get 10 people to say that.   You never know something until you get some experience YOURSELF and make you own opinion and not someone elses "study." 

This is why I listen to the people who have laid the foundation to which everything we do as bodybuilders is built.

Anything that you intake has a possiblility to cause some damage. By taking the proper steps necessary to make sure what you supplement is safe.  Honestly, i couldnt tell if cellmass worked or not.

Right, but my point isn't neccessairly about damage. I am a college student, so money is tight, and I would hate to see my fellow bodybuilder go out, waste money on a product that 1. has no evidence that the main ingredient provides any ergogenic aid, 2. could be potentially dangerous. But, any supplement can be dangerous if misused, ex. extremely high doses.

Supplementation is a fairly new science and of couse it will take time to be regulated by larger watchdog groups.  So leave it up to the consumer to make the choice to do supplementation or not.  Just educate yourself from many difference sources before you jump in. 

I agree, however the watchdog (or FDA, more like the money hungry carnivore :P) is arriving alot sooner than most think. As far as education, why would you look anywhere else than a revered scientist? And no, supplement companies don't have my trust, unless they can provide a conclusive lab analysis for a product.

I see what you are saying, and I know that most people probably won't listen to me because they are too caught up in the hype, however, again, why wouldn't you listen to people who study the human body for a living? Why be a "guinea pig" for a product when there is NO evidence that suggests the main ingredient helps their cause? That is essentially the choice you're making. So then, I leave it up to you, the consumer to make that decision.

Jason

PS - Sorry as if I came off as a douche bag in that post, that was not my intention, but I am very passionate about science, research, bodybuilding and wellness.

Sorry almost forgot about this:

ORIGINAL: Dookie

...but when you said stick to creatine monohydrate I have to question that.  In my experience a basic monohydrate just ads a bloted look and mostly water weight.  Shouldn;t someone use a more advanced creatine with more types of creatine than mono?

How do you use it? Take 20 minutes after you lift, 1 serving, and scoop it into your mouth and choke that down with your protien shake or water. When loading, do the same, scoop 1 serving into mouth and choke it down with water.

And yes, scientific literature dictates that loading IS effective. I'll dig up the studies later if you wish, for now I have to go to work.

loading makes sense as you saturate your muscles with creatine. When i took creatine last year i didnt notice any difference muscle wise however i was really impressed at my stamina increase. It wasnt like 'god i feel energetic', it was more like noticing that i could run at the same pace and power at the end of game just as in the beginning with hardly any fatigue in my legs.
I took it 3 times a day in warm water Uuurrgh.

Im willing to pay more now for higher quality creatine, as that stuff gave me bloated belly, nausea etc (was off ebay £20 for 1kg). If cellmass is a creatine like product then great, no xplode is also sounding attractive but its the caffine in it that im not sure about.

ORIGINAL: muggzy

Im considering getting Cellmass, it sounds like a really good alternative to normal creatine (no Loading etc), also it will help with my gains as well as energy for soccer matches once a week.
I was on creatine a while ago and had all the usual bloatedness, nasty sick feeling after i took it, etc etc do you get any side effects with cellmass?

Just purchase Nitrix and wondering if there are side effects of that and No Xplode?

Where does No Xplode fit in with Cellmass (energy) and Nitrix? (pump)

 
Hey Muggzy;
 
Haven't tried Cellmass but, I’ve taken No-X along with Nitrix for about six months and found it was OK., and also tried different stacks w/NO-X and Nitrix and never experienced any sides.  After that I switched to VNS-Jacked and found that Jacked alone worked better for me. In fact, I even eliminated Nitrix, and others like BSN-Betalin-7EC, IDS-NP2, Dymatize Meth-X, SAN V-12, ISS Satur8 and still had better intensity, stamina and pump w/Jacked.  
 
I still take my vitamins, Protein Shakes, Omega oils and try to eat as clean as I can. My workouts have been enjoyable and I just feel great.
 
Peace

great input jram thanks. Ive just purchased Nitrex, so im gonna start with that and probably buy some No Xplode to go with it. VNS jacked sounds good tho, what gains are you experiencing? in terms of weight and size.

Oh and do these products help with cardio based activities as well as they do for weight training?

normally i would never say this..but nobody knows me here...
 
 so beach bum break this down barny style for me. get the crayons out and draw me some pictures cuz i have no idea what your talking about. just that its bad ummkay.

muggzy..i used cellmass for a good six months and had awsome gains with it. the thing about cellmass as a creatine monohydrate supliment is that you will notice on the label there is a lot of sugar! and alpha lipoic acid which is supposed to help increase your insulin production. this is good because regular creatine can't absorb straight into your body. it needs a "transporter" - insulin/sugar. otherwise it just turns to waste and you have to pee a lot.
i did get a little bloated or "puffy" but not bad. when i was taking it i was working out on a very strict schedule. im not huge or anything but i went from dumbell pressing 25 lbs.. to dumbell pressing 70lbs..  <~~thats me pretending im a bad ass.
anyway i liked it im using no xplode and cell mass now but im thinking of switching back to good ol cellmass.
im in the military though and im afraid of how the extra water retention will effect my ability to run.

haha i wondered what beachbum was on about putting the powder directly into his mouth, whats wrong with a cup?

If cellmass has a transporter in it thats fine by me, actually does that mean all the pure creatine i was taking in warm water was going to waste? oops..

cellmass could be the one for me i think, at the moment i am just taking reflex whey protein twice a day cant really say im noticing much

no not all of it goes to waste, i mean you have a certain level of insulin and sugar in your system already but without any help its limited..

ORIGINAL: rob1

so beach bum break this down barny style for me. get the crayons out and draw me some pictures cuz i have no idea what your talking about.

Surely, but what do you want me to break down?

ORIGINAL:muggzy
haha i wondered what beachbum was on about putting the powder directly into his mouth, whats wrong with a cup?

The deal is this: most crystalline structures, that comprise some powdered supplements, are easily affected by changes in temperature, pressure, medium (in air or water), and pH. Creatine is a very unstable substance, meaning its willing to change its properties very quickly. This is due to its crystalline structure. If oxidized, which usually happens in water (think rusting), Creatine's properties are altered, and as a result, it turns to Creatinine, a useless compound, which if ingested in really high amounts, can be somewhat dangerous.

Scooping it in your mouth avoids that precious time lost sitting in your cup, thus resulting in greater absorption of actual Creatine, not useless creatinine. It also ensures you actually get the entire serving in your mouth, as opposed to being stuck to a cup.

Make sense?

It has been found that L-arginine keto-gluterate supplementation stimulates rapid vasidilation in a non-discriminatory fashion. Significant vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, significant drop in both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. During exercise, it is imperative that diastolic blood pressure remain constant. It is natural for systolic blood pressure to rise during the onset of exercise, but diastolic blood pressure values must remain constant. A drop in either during exercise is cause for great concern and can lead to serious cardiovascular damage. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels leading to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to a vascular catastrophe.

BEACHBUM..basically what i gathered was N.O. products are bad because the widening of the veins causes your BP to drop. right? but what are systolic and diastolic blood pressure?
 
MUGGZY.. while i've never heard of scooping it into your mouth...beachbum is right about everything else. (probably the way he takes it too)
 
BEACHBUM.. realistically how helpfull do you think taking creatine without mixing it is?  i mean wont it turn to creatinine in your body anyway? well..not all of it but i know the majority of it will unless quickly digested.

Rob, are you on crack or you cant read?

the thing about cellmass as a creatine monohydrate supliment is that you will notice on the label there is a lot of sugar! and alpha lipoic acid which is supposed to help increase your insulin production. 

Cellmass is not a creatine monohydrate supplement its a creatine ethly ester supplement and Cellmass has no sugar in it whats so ever. I think you're getting confused with Cell-Tech.

Bench-305(5 partial reps)
Squat-450(4 reps)
deadlift-435(2-3 partials)
front squats- 225(6-8)
leg press-835(8reps)
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Cellmass is not a creatine monohydrate supplement its a creatine ethly ester supplement and Cellmass has no sugar in it whats so ever. I think you're getting confused with Cell-Tech.

Yea, you must have Cellmass confused with Cell-Tech.

ORIGINAL: rob1

BEACHBUM..basically what i gathered was N.O. products are bad because the widening of the veins causes your BP to drop. right? but what are systolic and diastolic blood pressure?

Yeah, thats basically what happens. Because your body desperately strives for homeostasis (remember that from high school bio???), it must compensate. Also, NO provides no ergogenic aid (it doesn't do anything for enhancing muscularity, see one of the links I put up before), so why waste your money and time?

Systolic - the amount of pressure in your arteries when your heart pumps (contracts).
Diastolic - The amount of pressure in your arteries when your heart relaxes.

BEACHBUM.. realistically how helpfull do you think taking creatine without mixing it is?  i mean wont it turn to creatinine in your body anyway? well..not all of it but i know the majority of it will unless quickly digested.

I don't know about you, but as a natural bodybuilder I'm going to do everything I can in my power to make sure I do things right. That is, I am doing things optimally. My body gets just the right amount of protein, carbs, fats, sleep, muscular stimulation, a positive attitude and subsequent though processes. As a result of an optimal environment, your body responds optimally by growing to its fullest potential. Lets take into consideration several things: 1. the water that most people take creatine with is NEVER the same (differing concentrations of minerals, ions, etc which could speed the oxidation) 2. the temperature of the water 3. the TIME the creatine is in the water 4. the amount of creatine that is actually mixed into the water solution 5. the amount of creatine that makes it into your mouth.

That makes 5 ways for you to not get all of the creatine actually into your body. Why take the chance of 1. not getting an entire serving, and 2. ingesting a useless compound (creatinine), when you can just bypass that, and scoop it into your mouth?

Really, its just an extra step (or one less step) to make sure your body receives an entire dose.

Make sense?

Hey, i was just wondering if you stacked cellmass nitrix and no xplode if that will be any good or just a waste of my money?

ORIGINAL: muggzy

great input jram thanks. Ive just purchased Nitrex, so im gonna start with that and probably buy some No Xplode to go with it. VNS jacked sounds good tho, what gains are you experiencing? in terms of weight and size.

Oh and do these products help with cardio based activities as well as they do for weight training?

 
From 194 I've gone as high as 225 when bulking. Presently, I'm at 218 and feel great at this weight. I'm not saying I'm attributing all my gains to VNS-Jacked. Just remember that supps are supps and they only enhance your diet and training. I don't do regimented cardio but, I would say the products would help in that area.
 
Someone made a comment of scooping powered creatine by mouth then water because of being unstable? Creatine is unstable in water but only if mixed and left in that state for more than 1/2 hr to 1hr., before it breaks down. There's nothing wrong with mixng creatine with water and drinking after mixing, why wait? Just my 9 cents.
 
Peace

creatine is stable in water for more than 30 minutes, and once you've downed it, instead of putting the cup in the sink, put a little bit more water in and get the rest.  POW!

PHREAK..NO CRACK.. YOUR RIGHT I JUST MIXED THE TWO UP..I WAS THINKING CELL-TECH NOT CELLMASS...
 
MY BAD

ORIGINAL: jram

Someone made a comment of scooping powered creatine by mouth then water because of being unstable? Creatine is unstable in water but only if mixed and left in that state for more than 1/2 hr to 1hr., before it breaks down. There's nothing wrong with mixng creatine with water and drinking after mixing, why wait? Just my 9 cents.

Creatine is best absorbed when the powder is scooped directly into the mouth and swallowed with small sips of water. This assures minimal conversion of creatine to creatinine.

Myers VC. "Creatine and creatinine" Yale Journal of Biological Medicine. 2000 Jan-Dec;73(1-6):19-31

Also,

ORIGINAL: Beachbum

I don't know about you, but as a natural bodybuilder I'm going to do everything I can in my power to make sure I do things right. That is, I am doing things optimally. My body gets just the right amount of protein, carbs, fats, sleep, muscular stimulation, a positive attitude and subsequent though processes. As a result of an optimal environment, your body responds optimally by growing to its fullest potential. Lets take into consideration several things: 1. the water that most people take creatine with is NEVER the same (differing concentrations of minerals, ions, etc which could speed the oxidation) 2. the temperature of the water 3. the TIME the creatine is in the water 4. the amount of creatine that is actually mixed into the water solution 5. the amount of creatine that makes it into your mouth.

That makes 5 ways for you to not get all of the creatine actually into your body. Why take the chance of 1. not getting an entire serving, and 2. ingesting a useless compound (creatinine), when you can just bypass that, and scoop it into your mouth?

Really, its just an extra step (or one less step) to make sure your body receives an entire dose.

To each his own I guess.
 
Peace

beachbum- what about pills? its just powder protected in a capsule. wouldn't that be better than the powder? im thinking about getting back on creatine but im afraid that the excess water weight will slow my run times down.