hmm, would this be the right place?

Went to the gym exactly 7 hours ago, went to bed, and only just got up (i work very hard at the gym and usually sleep right after as it takes so much of my energy)
 
Today i was working just arms and chest
 
I was doing preacher curls, and was happy that id gone over my usualy maximum training weights.
 
But now i've woken up i found that my bicep now right in the middle of it on top (the "mountain top" as it were) has a giant indent in it, at first i thought it was a muscle kink-i make sure to stretch before during and after my exercises, and keep stretching it now.
 
But it wont go, it looks REALLY bad....its not little...its as though someones taken a knife and taken a massive chunk of my arm out...I was like WTF when i saw it...its really bad
 
what the hell has happened?
and is it permanent?
 

what the?? That doesnt sound good. Is it painful to touch? Is your arm sore when you move it in any particular way?
 
Get a picture up if you can so we can see whats going on.

From what you describe, 'dents' in the muscles usually mean that youve ruptured something - in this case you could have ruptured your bicep and/or snapped a bit of the tendon that connects it to the bone.
 
Or it could just be something simple, like you slept on something funny and its left an indent.
 
Get a picture up if you can so we can see what your talking about.
 
But i strongly suggest that if there is indeed an indent in your bicep and its painful that you go see you doctor right now.

Its not painful at all, it just feels like a groove, like a valley kind of thing in my arm, I'll go get my phone and try to take a pic now

phone quality is crap, but you can see it, and it has only just been there since ive woken up

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You sure that you didnt sleep on anything?

Did you feel a snap? or hear a pop? Is your bicep moving normally otherwise? Does it feel sore to press around the dent?

Ok, do this - its known as the Ludingtons test.

Put your hands behind your head and ask someone to stand behind you as you flex and unflex both your biceps. See if they can see an uneveness in the way the muscle is moving. Then get them move in front of you and watch the muscle move.

It might pay to be safe and get an ultrasound mate - if for nothing else, then just for some peace of mind. Go see your doctor and get one done. Theyre not expensive like MRIs or anything, and u can get the results as the test is being done. Quick and painless.

Nope, no popping or anything, it doesnt even feel sore, my biceps only get stiff and sore after 24 hours of being worked usually...
from what i know its moving normally...
 
when you say uneveness? do you mean both biceps flexxing at different times, or a part of the bicep thats screwed by the looks of it moving then another part moving afterwards?
 
is a ruptured bicep tendon bad?
does it heal itself?
 
Id rather not go for a scan as ive only just had one and dont really like them...
but if its gonna get worse then il go and see a doc to get a scan
 
I did preacher curl til i failed...and was half way lifting it for like 10 seconds, before my muscles pretty much gave out and stopped....i didnt feel anything bad though, just the normal failure...
 
I have to work this weekend and i use my arms as im a plasterer...will this screw my arm up even more if it is a ruptured bicep/tendon?

also lynx im lucky and from england and the NHS gives all scans etc for free

as to sleeping on something...I may have...Im not sure...This has happened before with sleeping on things...but it usually goes away, its been there for an hour or so now...well...from what i know it has...couldve been there for ages while i was sleeping

Flexing and relaxing at the same time.
 
A rupture bicep is quite bad - depending on how bad it is, it usually need surgery if big tears. especially in young, fit active people such as yourself. However, saying this, we're not even sure its a rupture bicep so no need to get panicky. The fact that you have no pain whatsoever makes it more likely to NOT be a rupture bicep/tendon - but with things like these, we can never say never.
 
Tell you what, since youre not keen on going to the doc, why dont you wait it out for a day or 2. See how your arm holds up. If it starts hurting or is weaker than your other arm, then you know something is going on.
 
why dont you like an ultrasound? its not like sitting in a machine or anything. All you have to do is sit there with your arm showing - theyll put some gel on your arm and have a little probe that person uses to scan under the skin. Have you ever seen pregnant women getting scans on their stomach so they can see the baby inside? thats exactly what an ultrasound is.
 
If youve rupture your bicep, then yes, working it this weekend could well make it worse. But if you havent ruptured, then it shouldnt. Like i said, the only way to tell for sure is an ultrasound.
 
See how you go in the next day or 2 and how the arm holds up. Keep us updated as to whats going on.
 
Lets hope that im being overly cautious and its nothing serious. But hey, better safe than sorry right?

It isnt indented when my arm isnt flexxed...
 
I dont like ultrasound because i had to have one...earlier this year and for something young men get, and dont like scans...
 
My arm always hurts after a workout so thats gonna be hard to tell lol...but im assuming the pain will be quite different...
 
I'll tell my mum tommorow even though she'll just say "im worrying too much"
and now my right arm feels all weak ang tingly, the entire arm...though thats nothing to go by, it started when you said it might be serious, and im prone to psychological pain and when i worry i get symptoms that is just psychological

anyway thanks for the info, il try to get it all sorted tommorow

as to sleeping on something...I may have...Im not sure...This has happened before with sleeping on things...but it usually goes away, its been there for an hour or so now...well...from what i know it has...couldve been there for ages while i was sleeping

 
If you have slept on something then you have just made both us look very silly - you for not noticing and thinking sometihngs taken a chunk out of your arm and Me, for believing you, and becoming alarmist and thinking of the worst case scenario.
 

but would it last this long?

hang on....
 
would this indent be noticable right after the tendon bicep ruptured/snapped?
 
because my bicep was fine after the exercise, and fine when i got back home, it was only after i woke up....
 
would the indent appear instantly after the accident?

Just when i start thinking "Ok, calm down Lynx, take deep breaths in and out. its all going to be ok. stop hyperventilating", you go and say something like "and now my right arm feels all weak ang tingly, the entire arm..."
 
Just wait it out till tommorow and see how your arm holds up.

would this indent be noticable right after the tendon bicep ruptured/snapped?

 
Usually, when you rupture your bicep, you know that somethings happened. Thats generally the rule. But nothing in medicine is 100%. People can always present atypically.

lol i wouldnt worry about the tingling...its stopped....My brain is very temperamental and i do have a psycholgical...problem? whereby i randomly get symptoms, hypochondriac or something, It always happens, when my sister had her appendix out-i had pains there for a whole week,but it was nothing, i just get paranoid about my body and what problems it may have and as a result get symptoms that are my brain playing tricks...
 
its also why i know my mum will say 'youre over reacting"
 
Because ive gone to her countless times about things that are psycholgical...though i have physical proof this time...
 
 
thanks for the info

New day.
 
same indent
 
no pain
no strength loss
no symptom whatsoever apart from the dent...
 
In some ways i wished it started hurting a load by the next morning so id at least have a clue about wtf has happened...but from what i can see....I have lost a piece of muscle and havent endured any pain LOL....
 
im getting a docs appointment soon, incase it is something thats ruptured etc

can you circle what dent you are talking about LOL, or am i just blind?

still a dent
still no pain
getting it looked over monday

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hmm... still no pain... no strength loss....no loss of function...
 
Did you get someone to take a look at you when you flexed and then unflexed? was it normal?
 
Its sounds more and more like its nothing very sinister. Lets wait & see what the doc and the ultrasound (if she/he orders it) say.

looks like it has something to do with your tendon.

Not to be funny at all, but I've seen people with cellulite that look exactly like that..the only reason I bring it up is because the dents in cellulite (which can be many, or, just one large dent) come from the fat placement unevenly bulging around connective tissues.

I have no clue whatsoever why your bicep would be doing that, but Lynx, would it possible for an enlarged muscle tissue to act in a similar way fat would in creating the appearance of dents on the skin..except instead of bulging around connective tissues, through bulging around the tendon? I dont know if this is even possible but it would make sense considering he only sees it when he flexes?

Is it possible, twisted, that you have never seen this before and it was always there? Although it is much less common in men to have cellulite, it is possible, and one of the more common areas to carry it is in the upper arms.

I have something like that in my leg for a long time.  It just got more obvious when I worked it more.  Its just they way my muscle developed and I dont have one on the other side.  No pain or anything.  actually it's my stronger leg that has it.  So unless the doc says it's something bag gimmie a message but I wouldn't worry to much

Lynx, would it possible for an enlarged muscle tissue to act in a similar way fat would in creating the appearance of dents on the skin..except instead of bulging around connective tissues, through bulging around the tendon?

 
I wouldnt think so Ros. Muscles dont really bulge around tendons. Tendons are a continuation of muscle that attaches it to the bone. So its not possible for a bicep muscle to bulge around the bicep tendon if you get what i mean?
 
Plus, muscle is a much denser tissue that fat. It wouldnt be  pushed around and squished as much as fat.
 

Although it is much less common in men to have cellulite, it is possible, and one of the more common areas to carry it is in the upper arms

 
Cellulite in upper arms in men?? what the?? never heard of that before....
 
But who knows, at this stage, your guess is as good as mine.. or anyones for that matter.

Ah....Thats nearer the armpit where the bicep begins daelight, ive never been worried about that, always been there, my left one doesnt have it, but my right ones always had it, and ive never really bothered with it,
 
what im "suffering" from is a random slit valley feeling dent on the dome of my bicep if anyone can see it in that crap pic, it has never been there before
 
I have had muscle kinks before where ive had little bulges etc(but not really visible only through feeling), but never dents, and not this deep, while the pic doesnt show i can dig my finger in a good 2-3mm from what i can feel.
 
My mum said it is just a process of muscle building...though i dont know anyone else getting random slits in there arms...
 
 

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For as long as the dent gets no bigger and i dont feel pain-i will continue working my arms, though a little cautiously incase, ah well this is the perfect excuse to work my legs more as i really need to do legs

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Lynx, would it possible for an enlarged muscle tissue to act in a similar way fat would in creating the appearance of dents on the skin..except instead of bulging around connective tissues, through bulging around the tendon?

I wouldnt think so Ros. Muscles dont really bulge around tendons. Tendons are a continuation of muscle that attaches it to the bone. So its not possible for a bicep muscle to bulge around the bicep tendon if you get what i mean?

Plus, muscle is a much denser tissue that fat. It wouldnt be pushed around and squished as much as fat.

got it. DUH! LOL how could I forget that. *hanging head in shame*

Although it is much less common in men to have cellulite, it is possible, and one of the more common areas to carry it is in the upper arms

Cellulite in upper arms in men?? what the?? never heard of that before....

-never met a man/woman with it on the arms, but apparently its possible.

But who knows, at this stage, your guess is as good as mine.. or anyones for that matter.

Went to docs, said there was nothing to worry about, anything bad there would've been symptoms, he said it might just be a slight tear which should heal over time by itself
 
he then asked me if i was "overdoing it"
 
he said i should build up "gradually"
 
I build up gradually to be told im doing it wrong and should lift heavy, and then get told to do it gradually again, what side should i take .
 
I think i'll just stick with weights that push me but dont make me die nearly LOL

glad to hear you are doing well..

Damn! a TEAR though?!

LOL! You are an animal! Slow it down boy..

That seems similar to something I got when I first started working out again. I did squats for the first time in years and loaded it up. I think I did more weight than I should have... Anyway, later that evening I noticed a nasty indention right accross my kneecap. It looked exactly like a stretch mark.  I was a bit worried and called my Dad (A Physical Therapist) he had no idea what it was over the phone, so I made plans to go see him the next day. Well, I woke up the next morning and it was completely gone. To this day I have no idea what it was, but I am glad it went away. Maybe this will go away in a day or so?

Matt