Creatine = Steroids ?

Hi, Im new here and I am not trying to be rude or Piss anyone off. I came along here and started reading this forum and Joined right away. Everyone has question about creatine and It has comme to my attension that a lot of people think that Creatine is either a steroid like substance or is going to bring you the effects of Steroids. WTF??? Again,im not trying to be an ass. But you guys need to do more research about bodybilding and suplements because creatine is a natural compound that is found in the body and will help you "last longer" if at all, personally I think Creatine is a waste of money since you can give yourself strenght and extra power to do that last rep by pumping yourself up before you go to the gym, listening to a good song and just concentrate and think about your goals. Creatine can be producet in your mind, (no im not crazy). But i also wanted to include something else, If you don't have a very good diet, at least 8 hours of sleep, a multi-vitamin,protein, and good rest inbetween your workouts, there is not supplement in the world that is going to help you achieve the body/results that you want.

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It has comme to my attension that a lot of people think that Creatine is either a steroid like substance or is going to bring you the effects of Steroids.

I've never seen a post that lead me to believe that.

Regardless.. Welcome to DB!

But i also wanted to include something else, If you don't have a very good diet, at least 8 hours of sleep, a multi-vitamin,protein, and good rest inbetween your workouts, there is not supplement in the world that is going to help you achieve the body/results that you want.

I wish I knew about this forum when I was 16. While I was busying making my protein shakes and knowing nothing about nutrition.. I was in continual search of the magic pill. Too bad I skipped the big old fridge right behind me. I agree with your statement.

And if people think it's sooo obvious, think again because the thinking above is probably 99% absent in most teens.

If they only did the above, their gains would be 75% better..

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I havent seen any threads that people think creatine will give you steroid results or is like steroids either. Perhaps i missed some threads. People do ask questions that have been previously asked & answered since they dont search before hand.

You dont even need the multi-vitamin if you have a very good diet since it will be supplied there. I feel diet is #1, exercise/lifting is #2 then supplementation is #3.

Also it depends if creatine works for you. It works great for me, i am one who responds to it very well and it is not a product of my mind.

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yea, where does it say creatine equals steroids.

you have the right to your own opinion about creatine but many ppl, including myself, have used and will continue to use it based on our experiences with it.

There is so much wrong with this post, I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Hi, Im new here and I am not trying to be rude or Piss anyone off. I came along here and started reading this forum and Joined right away. Everyone has question about creatine and It has comme to my attension that a lot of people think that Creatine is either a steroid like substance or is going to bring you the effects of Steroids. WTF??? Again,im not trying to be an ass. But you guys need to do more research about bodybilding and suplements because creatine is a natural compound that is found in the body and will help you "last longer" if at all, personally I think Creatine is a waste of money since you can give yourself strenght and extra power to do that last rep by pumping yourself up before you go to the gym, listening to a good song and just concentrate and think about your goals. Creatine can be producet in your mind, (no im not crazy). But i also wanted to include something else, If you don't have a very good diet, at least 8 hours of sleep, a multi-vitamin,protein, and good rest inbetween your workouts, there is not supplement in the world that is going to help you achieve the body/results that you want.

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Yeah, he's chewing us out for saying things we never said, and then acting like he knows things we don't.

Blah blah blah, supplements are no substitute for hard work, good diet, and suffienct rest. Well DUH.

Welcome to the board, and do fully expect to get ripped apart if you say stupid crap!

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Please get in line, as I am in charge of doing the ripping.

Actually, what amused me more, was the plethora of inaccuracies contained therein.

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That's standard for someone trying to show how much smarter they are than you

I thought we had a number system like at the DMV for who's turn it is to rip new A-holes in people who sorely deserve it?

Finally a use for the score! We could say that if you have the bigger score you go first?? I see no other use for it yet.

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Score? Dang, I guess that means I'm last...

However, your choice of the squirrel avatar should be worth some standing.. I wouldn't say last...

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Alright, but I need more points, as I am ahead of you Marc -- if only because I am so much better at it.

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There is so much wrong with this post, I wouldn't know where to begin.

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Hi, Im new here and I am not trying to be rude or Piss anyone off. I came along here and started reading this forum and Joined right away. Everyone has question about creatine and It has comme to my attension that a lot of people think that Creatine is either a steroid like substance or is going to bring you the effects of Steroids. WTF??? Again,im not trying to be an ass. But you guys need to do more research about bodybilding and suplements because creatine is a natural compound that is found in the body and will help you "last longer" if at all, personally I think Creatine is a waste of money since you can give yourself strenght and extra power to do that last rep by pumping yourself up before you go to the gym, listening to a good song and just concentrate and think about your goals. Creatine can be producet in your mind, (no im not crazy). But i also wanted to include something else, If you don't have a very good diet, at least 8 hours of sleep, a multi-vitamin,protein, and good rest inbetween your workouts, there is not supplement in the world that is going to help you achieve the body/results that you want.

This is scary... i agree with you... :-O

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Please get in line, as I am in charge of doing the ripping.

Or used to be... before i ripped your stupid opinions away from the facts... just kidding...

Just to put this out on the table so I don't get a new A** hole ripped again, I have never confused creatine with any kind of anabolic steroid etc. I know that it's a natural body substance. In fact...When I first join this forum that's how I was informed about it. This DB.com board I think is very well researched by many of it's advanced members, previous to your joining. Not saying that I am one of them, I am just an enthusiastic born again newbie to bodybuilding. I have a lot to say, and if I am wrong I am very welcome and open to accepting constructive criticism about my posts...

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Just to put this out on the table so I don't get a new A** hole ripped again, I have never confused creatine with any kind of anabolic steroid etc. I know that it's a natural body substance. In fact...When I first join this forum that's how I was informed about it. This DB.com board I think is very well researched by many of it's advanced members, previous to your joining. Not saying that I am one of them, I am just an enthusiastic born again newbie to bodybuilding. I have a lot to say, and if I am wrong I am very welcome and open to accepting constructive criticism about my posts...

No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

This is my constructive thought for today... STOP POSTING and start training...

No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

Incorrect.

Most of the creatine in the diet comes from meat (an 8-ounce steak might have a gram), but about half of the body’s supply is manufactured in the liver and kidneys. On average, your muscles require about 2 grams of creatine a day (somewhat more for muscular people, a bit less for skinny folks), but more or less depending on your activity level and degree of muscle mass

Creatine is stored in muscle cells as phosphocreatine.

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I think all the creatine his body makes must have gone to his head.

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No it is not a natural body substance, in the human body it does not exist except when ingested from external sources, the body has no means to create creatine itself...

Incorrect.

Most of the creatine in the diet comes from meat (an 8-ounce steak might have a gram), but about half of the body’s supply is manufactured in the liver and kidneys. On average, your muscles require about 2 grams of creatine a day (somewhat more for muscular people, a bit less for skinny folks), but more or less depending on your activity level and degree of muscle mass

Creatine is stored in muscle cells as phosphocreatine.

Ok, maybe i am incorrect, actually, my belief was that none of the creatine is produced by your own body, but that any some of the creatine that enters your body will be turned into phospo (or rather creathine-phosphate) which is the biologically active form of creatine in humans...

I might be wrong there and i'll take your word for it if you are certain...

Ooo This is a good debate, now this is what it should be like. Creatine is a very interesting thing, everyone has something different to say about it. There's so much info.

phosphocreatine:
"An organic compound, C4H10N3O5P, found in muscle tissue and capable of storing and providing energy for muscular contraction. Also called creatine phosphate."

creatine:
" A nitrogenous organic acid, C4H9N3O2, that is found in the muscle tissue of vertebrates mainly in the form of phosphocreatine and supplies energy for muscle contraction."

Basically the same thing, but take a look here. Most of it's way over my head, but I get the general idea.

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From said link...

Creatine (Cr, Structure B) is produced naturally in the body and it is also brought into the body with the consumption of red meat. The body produces Cr in the liver and the kidneys, but it is not produced in the muscle tissues where it is most abundant.

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From said link...

Creatine (Cr, Structure B) is produced naturally in the body and it is also brought into the body with the consumption of red meat. The body produces Cr in the liver and the kidneys, but it is not produced in the muscle tissues where it is most abundant.

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Obviously i was wrong, i apologize for any misinformation and am happy it got corrected, Marc is correct, i am wrong...

Creatine phospahte is still the only active form of creatine though... creatine by itself cannot be used as fuel, that is why a combo of fast carbs AND electrolytes is the recommended way to ingest creatine...

I am trying out creatine-pyruvate, it feels different... sharper... if i do say so myelf, better... and no, it is not a Twinlab product so no bias there...

Damn, that hurt, someone hold me...

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phosphocreatine:
"An organic compound, C4H10N3O5P, found in muscle tissue and capable of storing and providing energy for muscular contraction. Also called creatine phosphate."

creatine:
" A nitrogenous organic acid, C4H9N3O2, that is found in the muscle tissue of vertebrates mainly in the form of phosphocreatine and supplies energy for muscle contraction."

Basically the same thing, but take a look here. Most of it's way over my head, but I get the general idea.

God I love Google...LOL

No, it is not the same thing, withot the phosphate bound to the creatine (not all of the creatine will create the bind) it is wasted, that is why 40g does not work better than 10 after the loading phase...

Yes, but can't the body convert creatine to phosphocreatine and back as needed?