PHs and Steroids [Was: Question]

Im taking Ephedra and Cafein with 1-TEST / 1,4 AD. 5AA, 4DIOL and i see a incredible gain in strenght. I started my cycle 2 weeks ago ... so another 2 weeks and i quit ... i see 2 sides effects until now .... acne and insomania. Imsnomnia is probably du to the stimulant ...

I guess my question is "will i cause harm to my body from one cycle and should i see dramatic results?"

It depends on your genetic makeup. I didnt take M1T, I took Methyl-D, which is suppose to have a lower risk of side effets, and be more powerful than M1T. I had no sides at all when I used it, in fact I havent ever had any sides to any prohormone I've ever taken (maxteron,equibolan,tmm-100,Methyl-D...the list gos on from there..lol). However, others have had effects that made them stop taking Methyl-D after only 1 week, some say they pissed blood, some couldn't stand the stomach pain. I Havent felt any of these sides or any at all, and I take 6-8 pill a day, as to the reccomended 3, so its all genetics. If you have taken PH's in the past and got away without any sides, then you probably will here, if you didnt before, then I would ask yourself how bad they were before, and if you feel like multiplying them by two. By the way, I am going to start a M1T stacked with something, I havent decided yet, soon, to see if it really isnt as good as Methyl-D.

Note: On Methyl-D I actually lost 3 pounds of fat I didnt even know I had...lol, Muscles have gotten much bigger though.


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Twin Peaks??????.............first off 85% of all "steroids" taken are not anabolic steroids, they are androgenic steroids......the shear fact is that PH are targeted mainly to young people, due to the fact that they can acquire them easily. ANY type of an oral tablet is taxing on the liver, including aspirin. And their are many, many more oral versions of anabolic/androgenic gear, than just Dianobol. Funny how the PH companies try and mimmick or play on the "copy cat" results/marketing of real steroids and their effects. Fact is, that PH are no where close to what REAL hormones will do to the human body. If us older and more responsible bodybuilders that visit sites like this would be prudent to give good, healthy and responsible advice to younger kids getting headstrong into our lifestyle. THEIR IS NO MAJIC PILL!!!!!!! Dont take PH and dont take AAS until you have at least 5 years of serious training and knowledge of what a proper anabolic diet is, and exactly how the musculoskeletal system works. I could personally train anyone of these 18 year olds in here without any type of "enhancement" supplement, head to head with another 18 loaded with everytype of PH you could get him to swallow, and guarantee 1000% at the end of 12 weeks of training, my guy would have much more lean body mass. This is due to time, discipline and experience only, not because I claim to be smarter than anyone in here. Twin Peaks, have you explained to these youngsters in here that you are a representative of a company that manufactures and markets all of these "enhancement" supplements, thus having a bias towards these products??? Whether one does or doesnt take any PH or true steroids is an individuals choice and should be respected; but if we as older stewards to our sport and lifestyle dont step up and actually explain to the younger ones the "real" deal than bodybuilding will continue to have sensationalized media and governmental exposure to the horror stories involved.

Twin Peaks, have you explained to these youngsters in here that you are a representative of a company that manufactures and markets all of these "enhancement" supplements, thus having a bias towards these products???

He's been very clear on that.

Whether one does or doesnt take any PH or true steroids is an individuals choice and should be respected; but if we as older stewards to our sport and lifestyle dont step up and actually explain to the younger ones the "real" deal than bodybuilding will continue to have sensationalized media and governmental exposure to the horror stories involved.

That's what this entire forum is about. If you read the top post below, I think most of us chimed generally agreeing with your statements including Twin Peak. That taking them at a young age is not necessary and risky. And that doing your due diligence in this area is a MUST.

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1) No where do I recommend PH use to anyone, let alone teens.

2) All I have done is educate, everyone has a right to the facts.

3) Not only have I not hidden my affiliation with Avant Labs, I have openly stated it over and over, I have offered free product testing to the members if this board, and it is right there in every post, in my avatar. Indeed, even you were able to figure it out.

4) Avant Labs does not make or sell any prohormone, and has no financial interest in prohormones. In fact, we'd probably increase sales if prohormones were gone; so really, you made quite a stupid accusation.

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Twin Peaks....RELAX....nothing I posted was to be taken as an attack on you or your posts (complex?)......and it was a question , again let me say it, a question if they knew you worked for a supplement company....{as you can see I'm new in this site and dont know **** about you}........and as far as AvantLabs goes and "PH".....i should have made my point much clearer.....NO MAGIC PILL...whether its fat-loss products or any other "designer" supplements...TP's....I again am not here to harsh on anyone, I have been bodybuilding for 14 years and competed 6 of those years.....it is very important to me that younger kids dont get the wrong impressions so as to make assinine decisions they will regret later in life.

Your post a lot of accusations, none of which were merited. I suggest that if it was unintended, you should take care with the tone and/or do some research.

Your goal may be to prevent younger kids from making assinine decisions.

My goal is to educate so that ANYONE who reads this is empowered to make smart decisions; I do not try to decide for people.

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I see this thread has died, but I have a few questions for you 'educated' ones. I am only 19, but have been lifting for 3-5 years on and off, and seen very small gains. I understand lots of it was do to nutritional and training habits, but even now I see small gains. I have a very high metabolism. I actually have already ordered methyl-1-testosterone taken in by the product description (stupid). What I want to know is...

why is it bad for teens to take PH's
how much time in the gym should i be putting in while on this
what is the worst thing that could happen to me because of taking this

one and one last thing, I will be going on probation in 2 months, and I don't want this to get me a failed test. I'm going on Probation for weed, but still...

Any advice would be great!

why is it bad for teens to take PH's

You have enough test in your body during late teens, early 20's. So you dont need the PH.

how much time in the gym should i be putting in while on this

Should be about the same amount of time that you currently spend.

what is the worst thing that could happen to me because of taking this

It is very hard on the liver amongts other side effects (acne, hair loss, painful urination, loss of libido, lathargic moods, etc)

one and one last thing, I will be going on probation in 2 months, and I don't want this to get me a failed test. I'm going on Probation for weed, but still...

It all depends on what they are looking for. They may have an array of drugs they are looking for and im not sure if PH's would be one of them.

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thanks for the help man. About my current training...

I was going every day before, with 1 day off. I would do chest/back, arms/forearms, then legs the next day. But then I read that I was over training so I cut it back and now I'm just doing each one 1 time a week, and substituting cardio on the day's off.

I'm willing to do the work, I just need the right routine. Do you have experience with m1t? If you do what kind of schedule should I be following. Does it give you rapid repair time, so that you can workout a lot more or what?

Ive never taken m1t but i have tried 1-ad. Yeah i got quicker recovery time while i was on my cycle. I wouldnt concentrait on working out more but working out smarter. If you can get to the gym everyday, then your current routine should be fine. I assume mon-chest, tue-back, wed-arms, thurs-forearms, fri-legs, sat-cardio, sun-off? This would suffice. Anywhere from 8-12 working sets for each group will work. Remember, you grow when you rest, so working out more could hurt your gains.

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Hey Twin... Since you seem to have knowledge I'll direct this question at you. Is there any real benefit to taking 1-test directly (liposomal) rather than 1-AD pills? Other than the obvious reasons. Is anything lost waiting for the enzymes in your body to convert it into 1-test?

I do not understand what you mean by "directly." Nor do I think you understand what "liposomal" delivery is (or how it relates to "directly.") So please rephrase and I will do my best to answer.

As to the second part of your inquiry, yes 1-AD is not as potent, mg for mg as 1-test. That said, 1-AD has some great feedback. I would opt for a superior 1-test product, first, but 1-AD would be better than an inferior 1-test product.

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I understand perfectly what liposomal delivery is. When I said directly I meant in the form of 1-test (liquid) as opposed to 1-AD (pills) and waiting for the enzymes in your body to convert it to 1-test. I don't know any other way to phrase it. You answered my question anyway. Thank you.

i stacked SCI-FITS 4-AD and ergopharm's 1AD and seen some pretty good results, with no side-effects that i noticed.