Bill Starr's (or Madcow) 5x5 routine vs. Rippetoe's Starting Strength

This is ridiculous.  I am done with this argument.

I wasn't trying to be rediculous. I don't know why what I asked is so crazy to you.

Its just that powerlifting or just simply lifting to get stronger will make you fat and it is very un true.

Some power lifters choose to have a higher body fat% because recovery is more important to them then looks. Thats ok, nothing wrong with that at all. In fact they are probably more stronger mentally then any other person to ignore ignorant comments made to and about them.

Your muscles need the nutrients and calories from eating over maintence, some fat may occur but that comes with a lot of tweeking in your diet. It all depends on goals and the person.

The simple answer is, Power lifters can and do look amazing, having a higher % body fat is a choice.

And training for strength is in no way an "excuse" to be a lard...

Acujeremy


I wasn't trying to be rediculous. I don't know why what I asked is so crazy to you.

current 3x3 max's (Work in progress)
Squat:325
Deadlift:380
Bench:265
BB Row:225
My lifting journal
http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?p=16591#post16591

Nm0ney34


And training for strength is in no way an "excuse" to be a lard...

You're right...There are no excuses!

You obviously misunderstood me. You are using me to take out your aggression on other people that have said these things. I never ever said or implied, "powerlifting or just simply lifting to get stronger will make you fat". I wasn't even thinking that.

I was talking about a teacher that one follows. I assume a teacher emulates the goal. I was simply wondering why Rippetoe doesn't have a more Tom Venutoish body. I would think all that he knows, he wouldn't have that gut. I was trying to understand this. I don't know why everyone thinks I am making huge gerneralizations that lifting makes you fat. I never implied this.

Relax,

I was just trying to explain why everyone else was getting upset. I dont get so upset anymore was just trying to educate you on why everyone reacted like that.

I understand why your asking your question, I think its only human nature to think the teacher emulates the goal. People do it every day, especially in gyms. Some kid who probably weighed 110 lb's soaking wet with rolls of quarters in his pockets asked me how I got so big yesterday.

Ripptoe is a coach, who happens to be very strong himself. I have no idea what he looked like at a younger age. Regardless his knowledge on strength training is amazing. He preaches techniques and things that have worked for years and years. I have enormous respect for rippetoe for his knowledge, I could care less about what he looked like.

A big point rippetoe trys to make is putting on muscle makes you look good. Period. The amount of fat you choose to have is really up to you. The more muscle you have, the more fat you end up burning. Putting on muscle is a win win situation.

Go watch an infomercial or look in Body building magazines, things that people endorse, most of the time its just a big lie. No one ever got super ripped and gained tons of muscle from using a bow flex, and the pro's never got where they are by NO Xplode...come on. They are using those peoples looks to sell you on that crap. Because people think exactly how you were trying to justify rippetoes looks to his teachings.

Anyway, you just shouldnt judge anyone on how they look.

Acujeremy


You obviously misunderstood me. You are using me to take out your aggression on other people that have said these things. I never ever said or implied, "powerlifting or just simply lifting to get stronger will make you fat". I wasn't even thinking that.

I was talking about a teacher that one follows. I assume a teacher emulates the goal. I was simply wondering why Rippetoe doesn't have a more Tom Venutoish body. I would think all that he knows, he wouldn't have that gut. I was trying to understand this. I don't know why everyone thinks I am making huge gerneralizations that lifting makes you fat. I never implied this.

current 3x3 max's (Work in progress)
Squat:325
Deadlift:380
Bench:265
BB Row:225
My lifting journal
http://strengthmill.net/forum/showthread.php?p=16591#post16591

brihead301


[<font]Nothing I say is crap.  You have fun though.

Rather pretentious there.

"In the wild, there is no health care. In the wild, health care is, 'Ow, I hurt my leg. I can't run. A lion eats me and I'm dead.' Well, I'm not dead. I'm the lion, you're dead."

Okay let me explain this to you acujeremy.

Squats, deadlifts, bench presses, oh presses, power cleans, and other various compound exercises are the most effective muscle building lifts. 

Mr. Rippetoe just so happens to be an expert on how to perform these exercises with perfect form, so he wrote a book on it.  You said that you have this book, so you should know exactly what I'm talking about.

He put together a program that utilizes the most important exercises, and it is meant to get people bigger and stronger in an extremely fast and efficient manner. 

It's quite simple - you do the most effective exercises, and you do them the way he tells you to do, and you add weight every week. 

What do you think will happen when you lift weights like this?  Do you think it will make you fat or get a gut? 

Did you ever see an old boxing coach who maybe used to be a great boxer in his prime?  Are you going to assume that because it's just some old, slow, weak man trying to teach you boxing that you will also become a slow weak boxer yourself?  I would hope not.

Rippetoe was strong as hell in his prime, and he was in great shape back then.  Now he is older (and still very strong and in much better shape then most other 51 year olds).  Now he has a wife and a family probably.  He has a carreer of writing books and running his own gym.  He is a very knowledgeable person on the subject of weightlifting, but maybe now he just lifts to stay fit and healthy.

So now, use your head.  Do you think that you, in your 20's with loads of energy and dedication, will look the same way that a 51 year old man with many other things to worry about in life other then having a perfect physique and ridiculous amounts of strength looks? 

Seriously that was a very stupid question, and it makes me wonder if you were even being serious when you asked it.

Squats are better than steroids

Nm0ney34


 

Ripptoe is a coach, who happens to be very strong himself. I have no idea what he looked like at a younger age. Regardless his knowledge on strength training is amazing. He preaches techniques and things that have worked for years and years. I have enormous respect for rippetoe for his knowledge, I could care less about what he looked like.

Just to add to this; Rip is a strength coach, not a physique coach.  He gets questions all the time over on Strengthmill from young guys freaking that they are getting some chub in the mid section.  It's rather funny, he really goes off on them telling them to forget about the *$#@* fat for now and just lift, and if they want to get rid of the fat later they can do whatever they please. 

Official Ectomorph of the Emancipation Detoxification.  DBB's oldest forum group, schooling the skinnies since 02/12/08.

Only the best supplements used:  Food, milk, fish/flax oil, multivitamin. [/

Yeah I get it. But all this could have done without being dickheads about it.

"Rippetoe was strong as hell in his prime, and he was in great shapeback then.  Now he is older (and still very strong and in much bettershape then most other 51 year olds).  Now he has a wife and a familyprobably.  He has a carreer of writing books and running his own gym. He is a very knowledgeable person on the subject of weightlifting, butmaybe now he just lifts to stay fit and healthy."

That is what I was asking.

The boxing analogy is spot on.

If the pic above is Rippetoe, then that answers my question.

I don't think its really all that strange to see a guy at the gym who has the body you want and approaching him asking, "Can you tell me your program so I can look like you too." For some reason, you guys think that makes no sense to yo, but it sounds logical to me. A guy who is older and not in his prime is ok, as long as he once was that at some point. Would you study Kung Fu with a guy that never even was able to do a decent kick?

By the way, I am still following Briheads workout plan.

Acujeremy


If the pic above is Rippetoe, then that answers my question.

It is, I just don't know when it was taken.

Official Ectomorph of the Emancipation Detoxification.  DBB's oldest forum group, schooling the skinnies since 02/12/08.

Only the best supplements used:  Food, milk, fish/flax oil, multivitamin. [/

Rippetoe's not a bodybuilder, never has been and never will be.... don't let his gut fool you, he's still very strong and solidly built.  Often when a person is wearing cloths they don't look nearly as large as they really are.. People get so conditioned to looking at bloated up BBer's that when you look at a naturally big guy they just don't seem that large and often look dwarfted stading next to, or being compared to a steroid using pro.

Although this site is called discussbodybuilding, everyone's goal on here isn't to have a classic BBer type physique.

And regarding health... it's not necessarily healthy to have a excess BF% but to be honest, some of the practices BBer's do to get their BF down in the low singles is far more unhealthy than having an14-19% BF, usually what most powerlifters hover around...

It's all about choice guys..... and until you actually stand next to someone, it's very hard to actually know what and how they look.

There is never enough time to do everything, but there is always enough time to do the most important thing

 

Hey what do you think would happen if I went top the Rippetoe Q&A on Stregnthmill and asked this? hehe

Well you say its choice. I chose to have huge muscles, be very strong, and have low body fat. I made the choice. I just don't know how to execute it.