Understanding the effect of Corn Syrup

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You can get Vitamin D from the sun!!!
Expose your skin for at lease 45 minutes a day!!
 

so multivitamins are bad, correct?

No.
 

Are any multivitamins good for you? Or is it the fact that they are synthetic, the reason they are no good?

There are alot of MVs that are from whole food sources and these tend to be the best sources for nutrients for the body.
 
It is recommended that all adults take a multivitamin to insure they are getting the minimum daily-recommended amounts for basic health.  Additionally, resolving any deficiencies will among other things, make the body more efficient at using fat for energy and for building muscle. 
 
Having conducted cross-cultural studies on the nutrient content of diets, I can say that most diets, even those of athletes who consume large amounts of whole food (3500 to 4500 calories), are deficient in many essential nutrients.
 
A recent study by the USDA demonstrated that 1% of Americans meet the minimum standards for dietary adequacy, with none in the study meeting the current goal amounts. 
 
In a 1995 study published in the Journal of the American Dietetics Association, dietitians were asked to design diets that met the 1989 RDAs and 1990 Dietary Guidelines while providing 2200-2400 calories and remaining palatable to the individuals in the study. Using software designed specifically for creating a healthy diet, these trained dietitians were unable to accomplish the given objective.
 
On June 19, 2002 the Journal of the American Medical Association (not that we trust them per se...) reversed its previous position, and began advising that all adults take a multivitamin pill each day as insurance against deficiencies. 

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Man this stuff really pisses me off. I started reading alternative medical literature this year and I learned about aspartime, HFCS and the deception that occurs in this country. Really pisses me off. Thank God for people like Shaq, exposing the truth.

Question, so multivitamins are bad, correct? Are any multivitamins good for you? Or is it the fact that they are synthetic, the reason they are no good?

Also, is there any other source of vitamin D other than Fish? I take Fish oil capsules, from Carlsons, supposedly the best, but I don't know if there is anything else you'd recommend. Or is fish oil capsules NFG as well.

Thanks for your help.

 
Hi. I hope I don't portray myself as a conspiracy theorist. :) But the fact of the matter is you do not have medical freedom, and so we are at the mercy of the AMA and are not allowed to practice medicine with anything other than AMA approved protocols (ie drugs, and orthodox surgery). Unfortunately, while nutritional therapy has proven to heal millions, it won't be another 25-35 years before doctors can regularly prescribe nutrients.
 
I think it is "crucial" to take an extra multivitamin. But you have to get it from food sources. I will not say centrum has no benefit at all, but I will not guarentee their safety or effectiveness for anybody. I think Garden of Life has a very good multivitamin. If you type Garden of Life into google you should get a host of sellers of their products. It's from 100% whole food sources.
 
Fish like halibut, cod, salmon, and mackeral have the highest amounts of vitamin D from food sources. Eggs also have some vitamin D but it's a "much" lesser amount, pehaps only 25 IU. I would wholeheartedly recommend consuming a cod or halibut liver oil supplement. They usually come in tiny pills at 400 IU each, but I would recommend you increase it to between 5,000 and 10,000 IU. Also, the sun is your best source, but you must expose your skin and have a light complexion to produce significant vitamin D. Black America has horrific disease because they stay out of the sun, and anytime they get in the sun their dark skin prevents vitamin D production which is essential to health. And so they are the group that most needs supplementation. Hope this helps.

I have erased as many preservatives from my diet as possile all while keeping it low budget, nutritious, and convenient. I've lost a lot of weight and have maintained a strict healthy diet and a solid workout routine. I've Never felt better, although getting used to the lack of artificial flavoring took a little getting used to.
 
As far as synthetic vitamins go, can I assume Universal's Animal Pak is a great choice?

26yo, 5'9", 157 lbs.

This post should be stickied. Great information.

Yes, the pak is a good vitamin. Not synthetic.

Yeah I agree, this should be stickied. I've been looking up HFCS lately, and very surpised to find out how bad it is on the body. I knew artificial flavors aren't good but I didn't realize that many of the health problems in America could be attributed to an ingredient that's in just about anything that's processed. Luckily my diet only had one item that had high frucose corn syrup...it was the self proclaimed "healthy 100% whole wheat bread". Holy FUCTOSE CORN SYRUP Batman!!! So I chucked it and spent several minutes in the grocery store searching for bread that didn't have this crap in it. My natural peanut butter and jelly sandwich has now turned into my Natural Peanut Butter, minus artificial jelly, on "No Bullsh!t" Wheat Bread sandwich. Great Transistion.
 
Just another article supporting this information of Fructose: http://www.drkaslow.com/html/fructose.html
 
 

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Nice link Joe!

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Hi. I hope I don't portray myself as a conspiracy theorist. :) But the fact of the matter is you do not have medical freedom, and so we are at the mercy of the AMA and are not allowed to practice medicine with anything other than AMA approved protocols (ie drugs, and orthodox surgery). Unfortunately, while nutritional therapy has proven to heal millions, it won't be another 25-35 years before doctors can regularly prescribe nutrients.

This post is touching on a bunch of sub-topics in this thread, so excuse its multiple personality disorder . . .

I wouldn't knock the AMA too hard--they've made stupid errors, but who hasn't? Doctors are a respected, but vulnerable group in our society, and it's perfectly normal to have an association that protects their interests.

The FDA regulates drugs and medical devices, btw. Doctors can go off label, but the drugs and devices can't be promoted off-label by the companies.

The comment about preventive medicine and doctors: doctors see most of their patients when they have a problem, so the part of doctors' training that we see is the treatment side of things. When was the last time you were at your doctor for your check up and you asked him or her how to prevent X disease?

My problem about "alternative" medicine is the oft reliance on, and over-promotion of, poor studies (if they exist), testimonial "evidence", and weak "credentialing" of a lot of the practitioners. And boy, do they know how to market and suck us all in.

Doctors aren't perfect, but damn, I'd probably be dead if I wasn't a patient (I think we're on number 3--the appendectomy was the third risk o' serious harm/death).

On the other hand, I hate how our food supply is dominated by Chicago School economics, and by corn! For a non-conspiracist-flavored, realistic, but non-alarmist, view of modern US industrial agriculture, read The Omnivore's Dilemma. If you can stomach finishing the book, which is at times as thoughtful and philosophical, you're a bigger man than me. I got so disgusted (not grossed) and impatient with the state of affairs, I haven't been able to finish it! But I highly recommend it anyway.

"If there's nothing else that's relevant, I'll be leaving now"

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground"

We could also discuss how bad trans fats, aspartame, and other artificial ingredients are for you.
 
Even if i cheat of my diet i still avoid trans fats like its a plague or herpes
 

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corn?

Corn is a whole food and is fine.
It is a starch.
 
The corn syrup is a refined product.

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Yeah I have never read anything good about Corn Syrup.  What about Cane sugar, that many food manufacturers like Kashi have started using, any info about that?

Cokes are my biggest weakness! I only drink the diet ones (rarely) but they taste too damn good LOL ;)

no offense, but MDs have enough to study already without preventitive medicine, as if there are not enough diseases to know about already

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no offense, but MDs have enough to study already without preventitive medicine, as if there are not enough diseases to know about already

So you are saying they need to fix us when we are sick, not keep us from getting sick? So, then if we do get sick more because there is no preventive measures, who wins with this?

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