Can't buy muscle

I take supplements, I use  Universal products and love them by the way.    Sometimes I worry about some of the People on this forum. I actually think they put more into what they take supplement wise than the actual workout they do.  You should not depend on products and expect them to get you super huge and I think alot feel if they take this or take that it's going to happen.   I think it's 3 things that are the main factors here  1. Hard work 2. Genetics 3. Steroids.  I am not saying use steroids, I am just saying all of these supplements do not live up to what it says on the container.   I think sometimes they put more into the art work on the package than the actual product inside.   I think alot of these companies are all making the same stuff also.  I choose Universal because they are less hype than most and the package doesn't have some muscle guy on the front lifting 900lbs or they aren't claiming this or that. Universal is the one company that actually do come close to what they claim. 

I swear you work for them or something, your always on here plugging universal, I think everyone who reads the forum knows what you take and what you don't like. We all know...blah blah blah, shutup about universal already, I am sick of you on here knocking other supplements and plugging the crap out of universal.

thats all true, but i think that money can buy muscle to an extent, just like money can buy happiness to an extent.  i do agree with you for the most part though.

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Case in point: Christian Bale. I mean, here's a guy who can diet himself down to an anorrexic 126 Lbs for a movie role, then shoot back up to a ripped-to-shreds, buff, 180+ Lb mass monster in less than 6 months. I defy anyone on this forum without Christian Bale's bankroll and arsenal of personal trainers to try something like that.

Or Oprah Winfrey, for that matter.

Money can buy a WHOLE LOT of muscle. Maybe not in a supplement container -you still have to put in the hard work. But money can make a lot of the hassle go bye-bye, principally by paying someone else to worry about it.

I wish I could afford to pay someone to worry about cooking all my meals, and design the perfect workouts, and push me through each and every one of them, and a team of PhD's to design my supplement stack, but I'm just a miserable, underpaid IT Project Manager.

But the original point of this post is well-taken. Folks need to spend less time chasing pipe dreams in glossy supplement containers and focus on what matters MOST in this game: hard work, and clean eating!

Yes, that's me in my avatar, and NO, I don't look like that today. That was taken back in Jan '07, and I lost most of that progress when I slacked off last year. I'm on my way back, tho, and I'm using that photo for inspiration.

I wish I worked for Universal , but I don't.   I just like to stick with a company that makes good products and keeps them around.  Alot of Companies make a product then discontinue it, then come out with something else.  You can't always go by the pretty design of the package either.  No Xplode for example, when they had that glittery look going on, lol  I mean come on. They change the formula already on most products and the package.  I don't like companies that jump around so much, I like the ones that sit still and make good products.

Jayman, if you dont like BSN, i bet you love Muscletech

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Case in point: Christian Bale. I mean, here's a guy who can diet himself down to an anorrexic 126 Lbs for a movie role, then shoot back up to a ripped-to-shreds, buff, 180+ Lb mass monster in less than 6 months. I defy anyone on this forum without Christian Bale's bankroll and arsenal of personal trainers to try something like that.

Or Oprah Winfrey, for that matter.

Money can buy a WHOLE LOT of muscle. Maybe not in a supplement container -you still have to put in the hard work. But money can make a lot of the hassle go bye-bye, principally by paying someone else to worry about it.

I wish I could afford to pay someone to worry about cooking all my meals, and design the perfect workouts, and push me through each and every one of them, and a team of PhD's to design my supplement stack, but I'm just a miserable, underpaid IT Project Manager.

But the original point of this post is well-taken. Folks need to spend less time chasing pipe dreams in glossy supplement containers and focus on what matters MOST in this game: hard work, and clean eating!

 
 
first of all i think vegg has a crush on mr. bale... haha
 
 
anyway i agree... you can buy muscle. if i had loads of money to spend i'd buy the best foods, trainers, supps... and i'd sleep a hell of a lot more! But, with my schedual its very hard and stressful to eat all the right things at the right time, take the best supps, get enough rest.... i know i'd be over 200 lbs with more money!

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first of all i think vegg has a crush on mr. bale... haha

Damn! Is it THAT obvious? HA HA HA HA! Just kidding

CB is one of the few celebrities who actually impresses me -if nothing else, at least for his diversity in roles. He was positively chilling as Gordon Gecko meets Norman Bates in "American Psycho", but the latest Batman installment is my new favorite CB film. Finally, someone WORTHY of the role, who won't turn it into a comic bookish joke, like Tim Burton and Joel Silver did

Yes, that's me in my avatar, and NO, I don't look like that today. That was taken back in Jan '07, and I lost most of that progress when I slacked off last year. I'm on my way back, tho, and I'm using that photo for inspiration.

I agree w/ Jayman completely.  You see all these high scholl kids constantly posting in the supplements section and ignoring the training and nutrition sections.  They all think that supps are a magic pill, that they can eat like ****  or not train hard and somehow get ripped.  They come here and their posts all start "I've been lifting for about a month and I was thinking of trying the BSN mass stack", give me a break.

B.S. Kansas State , NASM Certified Personal Trainer, ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer
27 years old
233 lbs
9% BF

Current supps- Multi, Fish Oil, ON 100% Whey, Syntha 6, AST Micronized Creatine & Glutamine, NoXplode, Animal Pak

I honestly don't think you give SOME of us high school kids enough credit. Although, your 100% right about them jumping right into the supplement/pro-hormone forums. Before working out, I didn a complete month of research upon research of good foods w/ healthy calories and proteins, then finally finalized my work out routine. Therefore, led me to this forum. Now i research all supplements.

I'd say alot of highschool kids jump into here, I know fro my own experience, but they know they will get pretty precise answers from some of the older guys that know what they're talking about. But, I do agree w/ you to an extent.

well i think we are all just making generalizations and cannot be taken compeltley litterally.

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Well whatever works for you, but I will tell you, more people use BSN than Universal, to be honest, I don't ever even see Universal when I go in to stores. All I know is that on my BSN stack including NOXPLODE my bench went from 165 to 225 in 1 1/2 months so, it worked for me. The bottles are glittery I will give you that but,they work. If universal changed there bottle would you go crazy and say they suck just because of appearance? I am sorry they didn't work for you I really am, but then again like I said before maybe if you spent less time making Polls and posting negative stuff on the site maybe you would have time to lift harder and have some better results, or maybe NoXplode didn't work for you because you drink coffee and are used to Caffeine in the product. Stop knocking products, maybe I will buy a universal product, try it, and tell everyone how Shi**y it is. But, I won't do that, because I know that people react differently to supps. So I still stand by my original statement, shutup, move on, you got burned it didn't work for you so what. Did you miss your mortgage payment because you had to pay for it?

way to dumb everything down by flamming mr. allstar.... you'll get this thread deleted in no time

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well veggeep is definatley right.

you CAN buy muscle.  not without working somewhat. but you can pay for the best foods, trainers, gyms, supps, and spotters.

However, the original intention of this thread is something some of the people on this forum forget.  The supps aren't going to do the work for you.  Case closed.

Age: 18
Height: 6'3
Weight: ~230

Speaking specifically to supplements............
I've been lifting for a long time.  When I started (I'd rather not say when) most serious athletes didn't count on supplements for more than 5% of their gains.  Now granted, the supplement technology has certainly improved over the last decade.  But I have a feeling that its the 10 million dollar advertising budgets rather than the science that is primarily responsible for driving people's interest.

If you don't believe me, just look at an issue of Flex or M&F from 1990 and then compare it to the same issue today.  3-4 times as much advertising today.

Do I use supplements? Yes.  But I still hold to the 5% rule.

First of all, the difference between Universal and a company such a BN or whatever is good product advertisement!!!  So you're going to choose a company that isn't making profit as opposed to one that is?  This helps how?  Hmm, I thought product endorement and good advertisement, oops I'm sorry PROFIT, was the reason why these companies start in the first place and what their mission statement truly is.  I don't believe a smaller company, just because of poor endorsements and advertisement, should be heralded come on!  What you are saying is ultimate blasphamy and utter stupidity.
 
They call these supplements for a vivid purpose; to supplement!  The reason why these "kids" discuss supplements so much, is because they are researching the product before they use it call that safe if you want jeez.  I mean who thought of actually researching substances before you take them come on we should all just go take things without knowing other people's reviews or side effects.  I don't 100% disagree with you that kids are supplementing good hard work with supplements but people use supplements to help them in whatever way they deem fit.  I do agree however that there are some 15-16 year olds taking supplements that are too potent for them at the age they are in for they are still growing.  Some guys in here are addicted to the testosterone substitute feeling from supplements and weight training in general.  What was once viewed as keeping oneself healthy is now becoming an addiction almost.  Although some people need to cut down on supplements and stop substituting it for good hard work, a majority are here for advice and help.  Don't patronize them for doing so.

Height: 5'7

Weight: 170-174

Bench: 265 max

NO Xplode
ON Whey Protein
Multivitamin
Vitamin C
Fish Oil
Food :)

Always finish what you start!!!

What was once viewed as keeping oneself healthy is now becoming an addiction almost.

 
 
 
i'm addicted to lifting.... i only use whey and creatine monohydrate right now..... who cares what company someone likes..... you're making yourselves look like morons.

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The funny part is half the people bashing Universal probably take Animal pak as their multi, noy realizing who it's made by.

B.S. Kansas State , NASM Certified Personal Trainer, ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer
27 years old
233 lbs
9% BF

Current supps- Multi, Fish Oil, ON 100% Whey, Syntha 6, AST Micronized Creatine & Glutamine, NoXplode, Animal Pak

I wasn't criticizing Universal or their products.  The point I was trying to make is that any company wants to PROFIT off a product and good advertisement/ endorements is how you do it.  Don't start criticizing other companies for making good PROFIT from good advertisement and endorsements because that's what differs them from a small unknown company with fewer stores selling their products.  As for my personal use of supplements as you have mentioned, I do not take animal pak I take the usual ON Whey, multivitamin, vitamin C, good nutritious food, fish oil, and cycle Creatine.  However, that's not the issue here.  I'm simply stating not to patronize the kids coming on this forum for wanting to research and read reviews.  I'd rather them research supplements than diving into one without having any knowledge of it.

Height: 5'7

Weight: 170-174

Bench: 265 max

NO Xplode
ON Whey Protein
Multivitamin
Vitamin C
Fish Oil
Food :)

Always finish what you start!!!

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  Don't start criticizing other companies for making good PROFIT from good advertisement and endorsements because that's what differs them from a small unknown company with fewer stores selling their products. 

 
I wouldn't consider Universal a small unknown company with fewer stores carrying their products.

B.S. Kansas State , NASM Certified Personal Trainer, ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer
27 years old
233 lbs
9% BF

Current supps- Multi, Fish Oil, ON 100% Whey, Syntha 6, AST Micronized Creatine & Glutamine, NoXplode, Animal Pak

universal has a lot of ads in mags... they are good

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they have alot of ads...thats true but thats not what makes them good.

everything that i use except for my protein powder [i use ON whey protein] is universal
im currently using animal pak, which i will never stop using and shock therapy...i'm not saying universal products are for you...but they are for me.  they work great for plenty of people, but not for others...i mean i tried NO-xplode...and i got no pumps, no nothing...but thats just because my body is different than everyone elses who lives by it.

every universal product i've ever tried delievered exactly what it promised for me.

and i dont think anyone is here to say that supplements are the only way to build muscle...because there not and if you did even the slightest bit of research into bodybuilding youd know that.  supplements are an easy way out for an ignorant person, or a slight edge for an educated person...nothing more, nothing less. we all know that theres no miracle pill or powder.  this is turning into the same discussion thats on everything on this site...if you havent understood that you need to eat and train right before you even consider a supplement...than dont talk..but other than that your all running in circles trying to make yourselves look superior.

you only look as good as you feel

I have to question MrAllstarChris' responce to jaymans original post. Bashing on Jayman because he strongly reccomends the universal products. Thats wrong? yet all the designer reps on the board recommending nothing but their products is right? I realize they sponsor the board but dont you think its a bit hypocritical to be fine with the designer reps telling you to use their products but you wont let someone with personal experience to the universal line state his thoughts and opinions. Well I support Jayman in what he is saying, I have not taken many supplements but shock therapy was the best product I have taken. I went through one tub of it and over 2-3 months gained roughly 15-20 pounds. This product worked for me.

I agree diet is the most crutial part of training and you cannot bash all teens for spending all their time in the supplement fourm only worrying about what they are going to take. I dont do that and I know others dont also. While I do spend time on here it is to find what everyone says worked the best. I read here, along with other sites, and supplement review sites to find the best reviewed product, and back when i bought shock therapy that was the best reviewed product and Im glad I got it.

im not trying to insult any of you DS reps on the board, Im sure xceed is accually a great product and I plan to try it within the next month or two, I am just getting my point across that jayman is being bashed for universal but you guys arent.

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Designer Supplements Xceed/ Gaspari Size on log

Mustang, my response to Jayman was not about bashing on Universal. It's the fact that he doesn't do anything but severely BASHES BSN products. I have come to a rationalization after thinking about this today, Jayman, I am sorry for "Flamming" you and everything. I have come to this conclusion, I just ordered Xceed from Designer Sups, because I just finished my BSN stuff so I am gonna just take Xceed, Gakic, and Nitrix. After I finish those products I am going to try universal, see what all the hype is about. Jayman, please let me know what stack I should build. Basics, their N.O., Creatine, and Protein products. I will try them and find out.

As for kids using supps:

Diet is 90% of your gains, I never used supps till about 4 months ago. I cut all of my weight then read up and decided what I was going to try. If your 15 - 16 and your WELL educated on a product, give it a shot, you know your body best, if it's effecting you negatively then stop. But be damn sure your diet is right. Because I have learned without a good diet, these sups aren't sh*t.

For Raiderlax43:

"supplements are an easy way out for an ignorant person, or a slight edge for an educated person"

That is one of the better comments I have read.

I haven't tried all the Universal products (Believe it or not) LOL      A good stack? Hmm      I would go with Shock Thearpy for sure and Stack that with Storm.  I been wanting to try the Animal Pump which could be better than both Shock and Storm?  I dunno!   I don't think I'm gonna go the Animal pump route because I take enough damn pills the way it is and the Animal pump is more pills.   I haven't really used Storm a whole lot to really make an opinion on it. I know storm is cheap though with 80 servings and it's loaded with 4 different types of creatine.    
 
A good Stak would be something like
 
30 minutes before pre workout ( Any brand of NOS will be fine)   
 
1. Pre workout  (Shock Thearpy)
 
2. Post workout (Storm + Animal Nitro)
 
I have used Animal Stak 2 also. I did notice my muscles were hard as a rock taking this suppplement. I only used it for one container and then a damn semi driver at work hit me and I been out of the workout routine for a month now so haven't had a reason to buy another Animal Stak 2 as of yet. I will when I come back. Wasn't on it long enough to say for sure though.  
 
Start with the Shock Thearpy and go from there.

they have alot of ads...thats true but thats not what makes them good.

 
 
i didn't say that... i was making 2 different statements.

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