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Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:37 AM
Is it true that after working out marijuana can help relax your muscles-which in turn can help them rebuild? This was on T.V. last night-I caught a glimpse of the debate between a pothead and a bodybuilder,lol. Anyways, is there any truth in this?
(p.s sorry for posting this is in supplements, I didn't know where else to put it...)

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:53 PM
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:55 PM
It's a double edged sword with MJ.  MJ can increase your estrogen levels and of course that's counter productive to bodybuilding but is it enough to effect you?   I'm not sure if it can help you muscles rebuild but in some ways it can be beneficial. 

Ive got a few stories to share:

1. There's this group of three guys at my gym.  They train stoned and they are HUGE.  They obviously are educated enough to know how much to smoke, when to smoke, and what else they need to do to offset the increase in estrogen.

2.  I know of few professionals who smoke because its hard to eat so many high calorie meals in a day.  Their use of anabolic hormones probably offset the negatives of weed smoke.

3.  I suffer from gout and I the only pain reliever that I can use that doesn't cause internal stomach bleeding is marijuana.  I try not to use it much because it leaves me tired in the morning and I train in the morning.  But when I do smoke, I find that its easier for me to stretch my muscles and they feel more pliable because I'm not reacting to the pain.  Stretching can increase bloodflow to the muscles and that can, in turn, promote growth.

Regardless of all that, I think that habitual use can be counter productive to training so just keep it to a minimum.  Also, if you do smoke a lot, look into buying a vaporizer.  A vaporizer will help you get the THC without the harmul smoke in your lungs.  Smoke effects cardio.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:07 PM
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait..........marijuana increases your estrogen levels?

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:11 PM
Absolutely false that marijuana increases estrogen levels.  Find me one piece of scientific research that says anything of that nature.

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:16 PM
good luck ever seeing that jordan...also show me 1 positive government sponsored study of marijuana. none. show me a positive independent study? THOUSANDS.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:48 PM

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good luck ever seeing that jordan...also show me 1 positive government sponsored study of marijuana. none. show me a positive independent study? THOUSANDS.


Exactly what he said.

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:12 PM
whats estrogen

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 02, 2006 12:22 PM
female hormone...where's big jon he's sounds pretty smart....
 

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 02, 2006 1:04 PM
Soy is directly converted to estrogen in the body and a lot of you have absolutely no problem eating anything with soy in it...

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 02, 2006 1:19 PM

ORIGINAL: Vehemence

Soy is directly converted to estrogen in the body and a lot of you have absolutely no problem eating anything with soy in it...


Truth.

Basically Shrek, if you got it, smoke it.   Just not too much of it.  I'm a 3-5 time a weeker myself.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 02, 2006 2:24 PM
Yerp...before bedtime is my fav. Relaxes me and I get awesome sleep and wake up feeling refreshed. Anyway, I wouldn't think it would interfere with your lifting as long as you keep it within reason (and as mentioned before, it will probably hurt your cardio if you do it enough). I wouldn't recommend smoking before a lift tho, how would you have any motivation or be able to get pumped?
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 02, 2006 4:25 PM
the dbl edged sword is the perfect comparison, I don't think there are studies necessarily proving that marijuana is goodto use after lifting but there are many self accounts of it.  On the other hand it does have many negatives such as those mentioned above.

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:06 PM
is it the thc that increaes the thc levels?  if so, then just smoke blunts or js instad of out of a bong b.c bong gives u more thc.  im just sayin...

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:19 PM
thc is what gets you "high"...not the bad side effects
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:21 PM
yea i think that all the other cannibinoids have something to do with side effects
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Monday, June 05, 2006 10:47 AM

ORIGINAL: GyM RaT

yea i think that all the other cannibinoids have something to do with side effects

 
Well I don't smoke, I just did some research on this. "The most safe/healthy way to consume marijuana is to eat it, or make hash."

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Monday, June 05, 2006 12:38 PM
I don't smoke it. My friend has been living by himself since the hurricane even though he's only 16(he lives in a trailer and his parents live about 30 minutes away in a mansion). He grows it underneath the trailer. I just take a rolling pin and squeeze the juice out and put it in a drink. Then he sells the leaves.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Monday, June 05, 2006 3:25 PM
well yea u can make tea but it has to be in like hot milk or oilb because THC is fat soluble and thats the only other way to basically use all the THC besides smoking it.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:43 AM
Shrek, it is true that mj can aid in bodybuilding, much in the same way as NO. What it does is increase pulse but lowers blood pressure. Of course the way for the body to do this is relaxation of the artherial wall, thus providing greater flow of nutrients, like NO.

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:22 AM
You could say that anything that made you relax builds your muscles, like valium and heroin, if the only benefit is because it relaxes you then surely anything that relaxes you would be just as good.  I read a bit of the steroid bible, the bloke in there says he uses steroids to build his muscles, weed to give him a mind to muscle connection when he's training and crack to burn off the fat.  But when does the training become drug abuse
 
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:27 AM
Comparing marijuana to heroin is like comparing creatine to roids.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:17 AM
SoCool, that person is 100% lying. His "supps" would soon give him a heart attack. I mean, you simply don't use amphetamines before you're going to do heavy exercise.

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:26 PM

You wouldnt get high if u just squeezed out the juice the juice is just the water in the plant.  THC is in crystal form.  And why would your friend sell the leaves... they have no use at all.





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I don't smoke it. My friend has been living by himself since the hurricane even though he's only 16(he lives in a trailer and his parents live about 30 minutes away in a mansion). He grows it underneath the trailer. I just take a rolling pin and squeeze the juice out and put it in a drink. Then he sells the leaves.


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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Friday, June 09, 2006 9:02 PM
Positive Marijuana information:Mj can relax you thereby decreasing stress induced cortisol.
Initialy when you get high your heart rate goes up and actually gives you a spike of energy, also it increases bloodflow to all parts of the body providing a great body pump, so you can use Mj for a pre workout, or a post workout supplement, But I think you would have the most synergistic effect from using Mj after your workout for enhanced recovery, negative:expensive for the good stuff and illegal, also the cops have a higher priority fo narcotics that steroids. 

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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:47 PM
Just to let out a little truth for you unexperienced people.
I blaze ( smoke weed ) Everyday. Im high for atleast 5 hours of the day usually these times will be in the morning, when i wake up. at lunch, so i dont have to go to class sober, cause it sucks (im getting 80s in both classes i smoke weed before). and at night, usually so i can get REALLY hungry and eat a TON of good food and a protein. and then play video games. Im getting good grades in the classes i go to at school.  I have smoked weed both before and after hard and not so hard workouts and it doesn't really effect me at all, im the same while sober that i am when im high. 
And just so theres no confusion i've gotten lots of gains and the only thing thats different after i smoke weed in the long or short term is that i had more fun than i would have been sober.  I probably spend like...40 bucks a week on it, so i still have money for all the supps i need, plus my parents give me money if im in dire need.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:54 PM
weed makes me hungry happy and high.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:58 PM
I know quite a few people just like cawz......and many are over 40 and very successful in training, work and all around, it is really individual I think, regardless of legality.  I also know people who don't smoke because they just fall asleep on it and get lazy.......it really is up to the person to know what they can and cannot handle although I would not suggest any chemical drugs at all, weed is not man made and if you do smoke do ensure you know who you are getting it from, the strain and how it is grown to ensure it is not all polluted with stuff......there is a difference between sellers who sell for the money of it and there is a small community who enjoy pot like wines, they do not use chemicals and keep it all natural, they do not grow and sell tons.....these people, especially if you know them well as people, will usually have clean weed.........the big thing now is meth being sprayed on it to get you addicted to it so be very careful.
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:04 PM
Here is one study,I got many more,personaly I don't smoke,but to each there own I guess.
 
How might cannabinoids influence sexual behavior? Nephi Stella*
Department of Pharmacology, Psychiatry, and Behavioral Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-7280





 
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Marijuana and hashish are widespread drugs of abuse that contain 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a bioactive ingredient best known for its psychotropic effects. Remarkably, THC also produces multiple nonpsychotropic effects: for example, analgesia, hypotension, modulation of bronchospasm, and reduction of inflammation (1-6). That THC also influences sexual behavior was clearly demonstrated for the first time in the early 1980s; yet the precise molecular mechanism of this effect has remained unsolved. In this issue of PNAS, Mani et al. (2021) revisit these seminal experiments. They identify the molecular target by which THC affects sexual behavior, and unveil a remarkable operative cross talk mechanism between THC and the progesterone and dopamine signaling pathways, which were already known to play a central role in reproductive behavior.
The chemical synthesis of THC was first described in 1964 (28
29). In the following years, researchers used synthetic THC to study its diverse biological effects. Whether these effects occurred through receptors or simply by changing plasma membrane fluidity was unknown. One early hypothesis, which has now been abandoned, was that THC could directly bind to the estrogen receptor, thus competing for the sequence of events initiated by estrogen (3435, 3637). Although controversial, this hypothesis had the advantage of stimulating research to ascertain a link between cannabinoids and sexual behavior.
An important step forward in understanding the biological effects of cannabinoids was made in 1988 when Howlett and colleagues (3839) used a high-affinity radioactive cannabinoid ligand, [3H]CP-55,940, to demonstrate the existence of a specific cannabinoid binding site in cell membranes of rat brain. This discovery was shortly followed by the molecular cloning and sequencing of the cannabinoid CB1 and CB2 receptors (4041, 4243). Both receptors are seven transmembrane Gi/o-coupled receptors that display distinct patterns of tissue expression. CB1 receptors are abundantly expressed in the CNS and to a lesser extent in the periphery, whereas CB2 receptors seem to be exclusively expressed by immune cells (4445). It is well known that activation of CB1 receptors modulates the release of various neurotransmitters, which could account for the effects produced by THC on higher cognitive functions (4849, 5051). Engagement of CB2 receptors expressed by circulating macrophages reduces their immune response, which might account for the anti-inflammatory effect produced by THC intake (5455, 5657, 5859).
An influence of THC on reproductive behavior has been suspected for at least 30 years. Studies carried out in the 1960s reported that chronic oral administration of marijuana resin somehow "significantly reduces fertility" in rats (6263). THC can influence reproductive behavior by acting at multiple levels. In males, THC suppresses spermatogenesis, reduces the weight of reproductive organs, decreases the concentration of circulating hormones (such as testosterone) in plasma, and affects some components of sexual behavior. In females, THC prolongs the estrous cycle and decreases the proestrous surge of luteinizing hormone inhibiting ovulation. On the other hand, if THC facilitates sexual behavior: Where does it act? Mani et al. (7273) address these questions by using ovariectomized rats and quantifying lordosis quotient, one of the well characterized components of sexual receptivity. The inhibitory effect of ovariectomy on lordosis is quite dramatic; however, complete receptive behavior can be restored by exogenous hormone administration, such as estradiol benzoate, an estrogen receptor agonist. Ovariectomized animals treated with high doses of THC alone fail to show lordosis, but relatively low doses of THC significantly increase the lordosis primed by estradiol benzoate. By using antagonists against either CB1 or CB2 receptors, namely SR141617A and SR14528, Mani et al. (7879) demonstrate that the effect produced by THC on sexual behavior occurs through engagement of CB1 receptors. This finding is consistent with the fact that CB1 receptors are expressed in the hypothalamus, in particular at the level of the ventromedial nucleus (8283, 8485). Future studies using CB1 knockout mice could unambiguously demonstrate the involvement of CB1 receptors in the THC-induced lordosis (8889, 9091). At this point, however, it was necessary to address the noninvolvement of CB2 receptors, as at least one study suggested their presence in the CNS (9293). Indeed, Mani et al. show that SR14528 does not antagonize the effect produced by THC on lordosis.






Mani et al. identify the molecular target by which THC affects sexual behavior, and unveil a remarkable operative cross talk mechanism between THC and the progesterone and dopamine signaling pathways.



A bell-shaped curve response is often observed with in vivo administration of THC. In this study, Mani et al. (102103) give an interesting rationale for this phenomenon observed on lordosis quotient. At high concentrations, such as 400 ng injected i.c.v., THC reduces motor activity. Thus, the smaller lordosis quotient observed at high concentrations of THC might be attributed to the fact that the females are less mobile, which is obviously important for this behavior.
It has been shown that the estradiol benzoate-induced lordosis is also increased by progesterone and dopamine (108109). The temporal pattern of hormone levels, as well as the behavioral receptivity in intact or ovariectomized estradiol benzoate- and progesterone-primed rats is consistent with an important role for both progesterone and estrogen in the control of sexual receptivity. Interestingly, a molecular mechanism has been proposed for this cross talk between progesterone and estrogen, in which progestin receptors could directly interact with estrogen receptors to activate MAP kinase (110111). Dopamine is also a crucial part of this cross talk mechanism (112113), acting through D1B (also known as dopamine D5 receptors) (114115, 116117). Mani et al. (118119) push this idea one step further and explore the possibility that CB1 receptors are also part of this operative cross talk mechanism modulating sexual behavior. These results are schematized in Fig. 120121. Progesterone acts through progestin receptors. By using receptor antagonists and antisense oligonucleotides, they demonstrate that the increased lordosis induced by THC requires functional progestin and D1B receptors. Furthermore, progesterone's effect requires operative CB1 and D1B receptors. Finally, increased lordosis quotient induced by the D1/D5 agonist, which had previously been shown to require progestin receptors (124125), also requires operative CB1 receptors.










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Fig. 1.   Two models that could account for the molecular mechanism underlying the cross talk between 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), progesterone, and dopamine. (A) THC, progesterone, and dopamine act through CB1, progestin (PR), and dopamine D1B receptors, respectively. If the same target cell expresses these three receptors, a cross talk that involves mitogen-activated protein kinase (MAPK) could take place. (B) THC acts through CB1 receptors expressed on dopaminergic terminals, increasing the release of dopamine. Dopamine would then activate D1B receptors, which in turn stimulate the cAMP-protein kinase A, a pathway leading to the phosphorylation of dopamine and cAMP regulated phosphoprotein 32 (DARPP-32) (136
137).

Having identified the receptor subtype by which THC, progesterone, and the D1 agonist SKF 38393 increases the lordosis quotient, Mani et al. (140141) propose two models that could account for the molecular mechanism underlying this cross talk. In Fig. 142143A, the MAP kinase signaling pathway is activated by CB1 and D1B receptors, which could then phosphorylate coactivators of progestin receptors. In Fig. 144
145B, activation of CB1 receptors modulates the release of dopamine, which in turn activates D1B receptors. The cross talk between D1B and the progestin receptor could occur within the same target cell; possibly through the dopamine and cAMP regulated phosphoprotein 32 (DARPP-32) as a common target protein.
The presence of cannabinoid receptors in different tissues, and the diversity of the biological effects produced by THC suggest the presence of distinct endogenous cannabinoid signaling systems. Two cannabinoid receptors have been identified at the molecular level, with a possible third cannabinoid receptor that has been pharmacologically pinpointed (148149). Two endogenous cannabinoid ligands, namely anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol, have been identified, with at least two additional candidates (31-35). One of the most exciting question in the field of cannabinoid research is to understand the functional role of the endogenous cannabinoid signaling system (152153). How, where, and under which circumstances are these endogenous cannabinoid ligands produced? Are there different endogenous cannabinoid signaling systems for different biological functions? Since THC influences sexual behavior, which endogenous cannabinoid ligand is involved in modulating this biological function through CB1 receptors? It has recently been shown that levels of anandamide fluctuate during the ovarian cycle in both the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland (156157). Could anandamide be involved in regulating sexual behavior? These are only some of the questions opened by Mani et al. (158159).
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RE: Marijuana-truth or fiction? - Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:07 PM
i dont get hungry when i smoked but i stopped cuz a. the kids i smoked with were really gay and always did it indoors with parents upstairs and they got really hyper which pissed me off cuz i just wanted to chill and listen to music
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