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Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:23 AM ( #1 )
I was reading an article the other day on steroids and it was loosely going over anabolic and catabolic hormones, or something like that. What it said was that you have a certain amount of anabolic hormone stores that you use when you work out to build muscle and then when those stores are used up it switched to catabolic. Now That probably is a really uninformed statement but if anyone can understand what it means, how do you know when you have reached the catabolic stage while working and when to stop?
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:44 AM ( #2 )
first of all this is really complicated to me, as I understant it anabolic and catabolic are not soo much types of hormones(there are ana and cata hormones but I'm not sure of their names there are many of them) as they are different states of your metabolism, if you are wanting to build muscle you never want to enter a catabolic state, defininitions are as follows anabolic- state of metabolic macromolecular systhesis(building), catabolic is the destructive state of the metabolism when your body doesnt have enough nutrients(protien,carb,vitamins, etc.) to sustain the body compared to the amount of rebuild and repair required for the amount of strain the body is put through, I dont know enough about nutrition to give you advise on what you would need to take in to stay in an anabolic state you would have to see a pro for the best advise, hope this helps, this is just as I understand this
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:51 AM ( #3 )
if anabolic and catabolic arent horemonew, then why is it that when yoyu are injected with ANABOLIC steroinds, it shrinks your HORMONE making parts?  it has to prduce some kind of horemone to shrink da boys. . . .
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:57 AM ( #4 )
Well from what I have read about anabolic steroids, they shut down or suppress your natural testosterone production and replace it with the synthetic testosterone. When your body stops making it its self the male genetalia where I believe it is produced in the testis shrink because they are not really needed anymore lol.
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:00 AM ( #5 )
i was saying that anabolic and catabolic are not hormones, they are types of hormones, and they are states of your metabolism, when you are in an anabolic state of metabilism your body will be producing anabolic hormones, same with catabolic
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:59 PM ( #6 )

if anyone can understand what it means, how do you know when you have reached the catabolic stage while working and when to stop?

While I am sure you know that this is a complex topic...I will drop in some comments.

First, studies show that the average peak in anabolics during intense training is at 30-40 minutes, then quickly drops off.  This can be prolonged with the during workout PWO described later.

The body is either building tissues or destroying them depending on what it needs.  If it has all the carbs it needs, then it uses them for certain energy needs.  If not, then it releases catabolic hormones to cause muscle breakdown because muscle can be converted to blood sugar.

Stress (lack of sleep, anger, depression, accidents, anything!)causes cotisol to be released.  Cortisol is catabolic.

The body uses aminos acids for many functions and any time there is not sufficient dietary aminos present, then muscle catabolism occurs to get what is needed.

The body's primary focus is energy and repair.  Building muscle is a bit further down the list.

Any time you go more than around 3 hours without a balanced meal (carbs at 2x the amount of protein and a reasonable amount of fat) the body has to catabolize for what it needs.

A very high protein meal can actually cause a release of glucagon. Glucagon is a hormone that antagonizes insulin release. Glucagon also has another function. It causes the body to convert amino acids into glucose (a process called gluconeogenesis). That means, eat too much protein and those aminos become carbs!

But if you eat some protein with carbs, insulin shoots up. If you eat too much protein with carbs, the insulin release may actually be lower.

During the post-workout period, protein breakdown does occur and is the dominant threat.  Getting the insulin up allows muscle breakdown to diminish so that synthesis can dominate and we can quickly get back to building muscle!

The best Pre and Post W/O should actually looks like this:
0.2 g/lb high glycemic index carbs
0.1 g/lb protein from whey (or Just 5 grams of BCAA or 15 grams of EAAs)

You would consume this mixture in water both pre and post OR during and post.

By rapidly increasing protein synthesis (muscle building) while simultaneously decreasing protein (muscle) breakdown, studies in 2000 showed that you could shift to a positive muscle protein (anabolic) balance within 1 hour after the workout.
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:12 PM ( #7 )
Forgot to mention that insulin plays a role in shuttling the proteins into the muscls as well as the glucose...so that is why post work out insulin is desireable and has the ability to reduce the catabolic period after training.
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:49 PM ( #8 )
hey dude easy reply here
anabolic=muscle building
catabolic=muscle wasting, destroying, breaking, etc
easily put you want your body to stay as anbolic as posible
dan is right in alot of respects but i will post from what i have read
 
optimum anabolic workout time is 45mins till 60-90mins, it all depends on the person
some are like cars, some are more or less efficient
like dan said the catabolic hormones will break down muscles for the aminos that make them up
one of note is glutamine
i supplement it after a workout so that my body will have enough of it or a good bit to fight the anabolism
i do believe that dan is incorrect on the cortisol bein anabolic hormone in nature
cortisol is released in times of stress
your body initially releases cortosol to breakdown muscle because it is more readily availible as energy
that is because if you workout to long your body goes into life sustainin mode
anabolic hormones are testosterone, gh, and even estrogen to a point
you may say i am wrong but estrogen helps with glycogen storage and also gh release
i hope this helps
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RE: Anabolic & Catabolic - Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:03 PM ( #9 )
oops..thanks for pointing out the flub..I meant to type Cortisol is catabolic!
 
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