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legal steroids - 2/3/2005 11:45:23 PM
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true_atlantis
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so, my roommate and i have been working out for about the same ammount of time, and he decided to take s1+ body matrix. he really has no idea what it does, but it did make him bigger. he was taking advice from a freind. i was curious as to what peopel have taken. i am thinking about doing one cycle, but i am new to this whole thing, and dont know what i should take. i dont want many side effects, and i will not inject anything. does anyone have any suggestions?
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 4:16:39 AM
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Are you in the US or somewhere else?
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 7:34:35 AM
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My suggestion is "don't!" In the short term, steroids work. But, once you cycle off, most of your gains disappear and the only way you can get them back is to go back on the juice. A vicious cycle begins, like any drug use. It becomes habit forming. You like the way you look when you are juiced, so you keep juicing to keep the look. Health considerations aside, isn't it better to just work your butt off, be the best you can be, with what you have, and be proud that what you accomplished, you accomplished with work and not chemicals. Your friend may be bigger than you now, but your growth, with your efforts, will be longer lasting and more satisfying. You don't know me, so I'll just tell you that I am a "natural" bodybuilder who has never done any "illegal" or "illicit" bodybuilding drugs or substances. I am competing on March 19th in my first bodybuilding competition, a non-tested show, against competitors who may or may not be juicing. And I am 61 years old. So, if this old man can do it "clean," why can't you? Think about it.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 8:34:57 AM
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he really has no idea what it does, but it did make him bigger. That's reason enough not to take something.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 9:42:28 AM
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i am in the US
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 9:55:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: Old Navy My suggestion is "don't!" In the short term, steroids work. But, once you cycle off, most of your gains disappear and the only way you can get them back is to go back on the juice. A vicious cycle begins, like any drug use. It becomes habit forming. You like the way you look when you are juiced, so you keep juicing to keep the look. Health considerations aside, isn't it better to just work your butt off, be the best you can be, with what you have, and be proud that what you accomplished, you accomplished with work and not chemicals. Your friend may be bigger than you now, but your growth, with your efforts, will be longer lasting and more satisfying. You don't know me, so I'll just tell you that I am a "natural" bodybuilder who has never done any "illegal" or "illicit" bodybuilding drugs or substances. I am competing on March 19th in my first bodybuilding competition, a non-tested show, against competitors who may or may not be juicing. And I am 61 years old. So, if this old man can do it "clean," why can't you? Think about it. While i totally agree with the habbit forming issue presented here - one of the reasons i've not touched injectables is a psychological addiction issue - i must protest at the "most of your gains disappear" line. I have ran several PH cycles and had productive gains that i have kept. If discussing injectable AAS, i've also had several commrades run cycles, make mind blowing gains and managed to retain them all. It all comes down to know your body, knowing how to implement a cycle and PCT and understanding the fundamentals of training and nutrition.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 9:56:22 AM
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ORIGINAL: true_atlantis i am in the US Then you're out of luck - the PH ban can into effect at the end of Jannuary.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 1:56:19 PM
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Yes, as long as you keep cycling, the gains are long-lasting. As long as you are still on the juice, everything looks great. Try quitting for a year and see where you are then. It's like a basketball with a slow leak. You have to keep pumping it up to make it hard enough to bounce. If you don't, it eventually goes flat. Not to mention what juice does to one of the most important muscles in your body...your heart. With juice, you heart grows like all the other muscles. So, what you get is an enlarged heart and it doesn't deflate. It stays enlarged. Talk to some of the professional bodybuilders who are going through that trama in their lives right now. And, think about some of the pros who have died in the past few years, at a young age. I'm sorry, but it just ain't worth it.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 4:09:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: Old Navy Yes, as long as you keep cycling, the gains are long-lasting. As long as you are still on the juice, everything looks great. Try quitting for a year and see where you are then. It's like a basketball with a slow leak. You have to keep pumping it up to make it hard enough to bounce. If you don't, it eventually goes flat. Not to mention what juice does to one of the most important muscles in your body...your heart. With juice, you heart grows like all the other muscles. So, what you get is an enlarged heart and it doesn't deflate. It stays enlarged. Talk to some of the professional bodybuilders who are going through that trama in their lives right now. And, think about some of the pros who have died in the past few years, at a young age. I'm sorry, but it just ain't worth it. I'm sorry, i must protest again. One of my associates only recently ran his second cycle (the first being over two years ago) and he gained a good figure and maintained it. It didn't gradually go down. Also, the heart is cardiac tissue, not skeletal muscle tissue. Only certain substances cause issues with it, which again comes down to intelligence and knowledge of the subject area. These are critical factors when it comes to maintaining gains accomplished using steroids.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 4:16:32 PM
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Old Navy was just owned
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 4:24:52 PM
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Not owned at all. I totally agree and see his view point on psychological addiction.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 7:13:14 PM
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Gun Ryo, Robboe: I just received in the mail today my February issue of Southern Muscle Plus magazine the official NPC publication for this part of the U.S. Without comment, I offer the following obituaries from page 48 & 49: "It is with deep regret that we report the passing of Robert Bonavente, top national level Florida bodybuilder, from a heart attack. The former Overall 2003 NPC Southern States Champion and runner up in the Heavyweight class of the 1999 NPC Nationals was 30 years old." "Jeff Allen, 45, passed away on his birthday, October 5th. Jeff was the lightweight class winner at the 1993 Coastal USA and was a state judge." "Mark Wallace, 41, passed away on August 7th from a heart attack. Mark was the fomer 1987 Atlanta Champion, 1993 Georgia State Champion, 2001 Coastal Champion." "Bruce West, 40, passed away on November 26th. Bruce was 1989 Georgia State Champion." "Jeff McCarley, 34, passed away on August 23rd of heart failure. Jeff was the general manager of the World Gym in West Palm Beach and trained many athletes, including Marc and April Jacobs, Nicole Cabbaler, Kristy Robbins and Johnny Stewart."
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RE: legal steroids - 2/4/2005 8:58:21 PM
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But as we all well know.. I'm sure it was genetic and not related at all to any substances. It's pretty normal to kick at 30-40 nowadays. I figure I have about 7 years left in me.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/5/2005 5:42:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: Old Navy Gun Ryo, Robboe: I just received in the mail today my February issue of Southern Muscle Plus magazine the official NPC publication for this part of the U.S. Without comment, I offer the following obituaries from page 48 & 49: "It is with deep regret that we report the passing of Robert Bonavente, top national level Florida bodybuilder, from a heart attack. The former Overall 2003 NPC Southern States Champion and runner up in the Heavyweight class of the 1999 NPC Nationals was 30 years old." "Jeff Allen, 45, passed away on his birthday, October 5th. Jeff was the lightweight class winner at the 1993 Coastal USA and was a state judge." "Mark Wallace, 41, passed away on August 7th from a heart attack. Mark was the fomer 1987 Atlanta Champion, 1993 Georgia State Champion, 2001 Coastal Champion." "Bruce West, 40, passed away on November 26th. Bruce was 1989 Georgia State Champion." "Jeff McCarley, 34, passed away on August 23rd of heart failure. Jeff was the general manager of the World Gym in West Palm Beach and trained many athletes, including Marc and April Jacobs, Nicole Cabbaler, Kristy Robbins and Johnny Stewart." They may well have used steroids, but you can't rule out any other substances they were taking. I'll bet the diuretics competitors use leading up to a competition are much more likely candidates for health issues that AAS.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/5/2005 11:03:33 AM
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Old Navy
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Maybe so, Maybe so. But, why not just think about trying bodybuilding without any of that stuff...growth hormones, testosterone boost, diuretics, steriods? Does it really matter which one of these things kill you? I'm 61 and I ain't using so I ain't going to get a heart attack from any of that stuff. I may still die of cancer, a car accident, or a weight may drop on my head. But one thing for sure, I ain't gonna die because of some muscle enhancer. And, on March 19th, when I'm on stage at the NPC Northern Kentucky Bodybuilding Championship, as an all-natural competitor, in my mind, I win, even if I place dead last.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/5/2005 1:26:29 PM
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Robboe: I know I will. I am entering this competition with moderate expectations. I will not win the Overall. I probably won't win the Master's Class (50+), at 61, and I probably won't win the Bantam Weight Class (all ages) -143 1/2 lbs. My goal, as a natural competitor, is to place in the top 5 in each Class. I know most of the guys, especially the ones on juice, will be much bigger and probably more cut than I will. They certainly will be much younger. But, I plan to have a great time competing in a sport I love. It's really none of my business if guys use juice or anything else. I only comment when asked my opinion, which is how this thread started. Thanks for your good wishes. By the way, I'm also competing in a natural, tested competiton on April 2nd. There I really hope to do well against other "naturals." I'm just glad there is a movement afoot to offer more and more natural, tested shows. Maybe someday, that will be how most of the competitons are run. Of course, if that happened, most of today's muscle magazines would fold. Maybe that's a good thing.
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RE: legal steroids - 2/5/2005 2:20:31 PM
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where did you get the topic title "legal steroids"
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RE: legal steroids - 2/5/2005 3:09:00 PM
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Some supplement companies, especially some on the Net, advertise "legal steroids," which means they offer a product that is "steroid like" and supposedly works just like "real" steroids. Steroids are illegal in the U.S. and many Western countries. However, countries like Mexico, for instance, sell "real" steroids in open street markets. Their clerks, dressed like pharmacy personnel, stand around their stalls and insist their product is pure and right for whatever a bodybuilder is looking for. And, they will even tell the unwary that it's OK to bring them back to the U.S. But, of course it isn't. Mexico is where much of the illegal supply of steroids available in the U.S. originates. So even someone who thinks he is buying the real thing from someone in a U.S. gym may be shooting himself full of holes.
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