legal steriods

hey guys im 18 5'8 and about 130 pounds. ive always been pretty ripped but never really BIG and want to put on some mass. i havent worked out in months now but im going to start getting back in it and have been looking into supplements. from what i hear legal stuides work 100times better then anything gnc has to offer
 
im willing to spend about 30 bucks a week
 
from what i hear d-bol seems to be the best BUT ive also heard cycles are even better
 
i found a cylce thats 6 weeks long for about 170 bucks with dura 50, thai 50, and "primo orals"?
anythoughts on this?
 
i was also thinking about taking creatine again....

Please tell me you are kidding.

NO. Do not take STEROIDS. Eat a LOT of food, train HEAVY, and if you must, take creatine.

If you take those harsh orals at 18, you are screwed. You are way screwed for the rest of your life. Jesus.

Another thing, the real **** isn't that cheap, so if you do wind up doing it, it is going to cost you a lot more for the real thing.

BUT DON'T DO IT

what about products such as cell mass and no-xplode or watever?
 
i use to workout alot and ive never been over 145 :(

Dude, try this.

Supplementation

100% Optimum Nutrition Whey
Gaspari Nutrition Superpump 250
Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn
Fish Oil
Multivitamin

Food
Start with 3000 calories and monitor your progress each week.
Whole Milk
Red Meat
Chicken
Fish
Vegetables
Brown Rice
Potatoes
Yams

As for training, I would go to the critique my training section and look for Push/Pull/Legs split or just use the search function for push/pull/legs.

Steroids will mess up your endocrine system and hormones for life, especially if you jump into harsh ones like d-bol at 18. Do the diet and training for 8 months and come back. If you don't gain weight each week, increase your calories by 300 until you gain a pound or two per week.

where can i find the first 3

Go to

www.Supplements101.com

And search for them. Then choose your flavors and buy them. If you can't get stuff online, GNC has all three of them no problem, but GNC is over priced.

thanks, what do you think about naNo vapor? i use to take it and loved it
 
and im guessing the amino acids and glutamine is good too?

btw id rather take pills then powders and ive also take hydroxycut b4

I would just stick to the supplement list I gave you. Your diet is the most important thing anyway, and you don't need to waste your money on ****ty supplements like those crooks at Muscletech.

You don't need hydroxycut, you are trying to gain weight. If you have to have pills, just buy creatine monohydrate in capsule form and take about 15-20g per day and if you wish, read up on how to cycle it, but I never cared about cycling, I just take the stuff until its all gone.

suppliments do one thing, suppliment you training and diet regimen.  The should not be the pure focus of your regimen.

You need to eat big to be big.  if you do not intake enough calories per day you will not gain weight, its that simple.   I think you should throw up your diet in the diet section for review.

but creatine makes you retain water and hence soft muscles?

No, no.

When Veggeep gets online, he will help clear up your creatine misconceptions. He knows quite a bit about it based on one of his previous posts I can't seem to find.

I just never really got into using it, but it does work well for the natural body builder or athlete.

ok well im going to research some products their for a while and ill post up some stuff im intersted in
 
i know ive heard great stuff bout no-xplod, nitrix, and cell mass
 
i just worked out today for the first time in a very long time, ive never been so sore lol.

You will not be able to buy genuine P orals for the price you are thinking of paying, they are fake.  As a physician I just want to make a couple of points about steroids that someone thinking about them should know.  I am not making these references to condone or object to their use.  I only use the names in necessity.
There are only a small handful of steroids that are indicated for use by human subjects, anything outside this small handful are considered too dangerous in their effect of side effect to be considered pharmaceuticals.  The term "human grade" does not exist and it is proposterous to think that anything that doesn't go through its final quality control checks in North america could be considered a pharma product.
The steroids with North American indications are:
stanazolol (Upjohn) for wasting and anti progesteronic effects.  2mg tabs blister packs only, suspension is a non FDA approved vet medication called winstrol V, winny-V is not stanazolol

oxandrolone for wasting (generics available) 5mg pressed tabs in blisters only

oxymethanolone by Searle, no known approved generics 50mg pressed tabs in blister pack only.  I have heard of an approved 25mg but the 50's are scored so i doubt it.

nandrolone decanoate (discontinued in 2007)  there are no approved forms of nandrolone decanoate, all organon products are either fake or obsolete.  25 and 50mg/ml in 2ml for a max of 100mg per vial is the only once approved form

testosterone base in cream gel or patch to a maximum concentration of 5% in creams and gels and dose of 12.5mg in a patch

testosterone enanthate in 200mgml, in 10ml multiject (delasteryl) and a 4ml ampoule but I can't remember the name.

cypionate is said to be made by sandoz canada and available but there is no indication for prescribing it in Canada, perhaps in the states but cypionate has not been reported as being made under license for a long time, enanthate took over.

I'm sure some of you will want to argue with me because you have 300mgml human grade deca or something but I'm sorry its a futile argument.

if you are considering a drug that is not part of that list in those forms you are buying either an illegal ugl product or something from a foreign country without our guidelines that we considered to dangerous.

many of todays prohormones and prosteroids are attempts at pharma drugs that couldn't get approved due to their dangers.  Now that the old patents are expiring the supps companies scoop them up and register them as new patents as supps, this skirts the drug number/registration since the originals of those have also expired.  Epistane is the classic example, a cytotoxic antineoplastic (chemotherapy) drug that could only get approved for use with patients in China.  It is toxic to fast growing cells due to it effect of binding up dna so it cant separate, the cell can't multiply so it dies.  Who wants to kill fast growing cells when you are building muscle?

Some of the ugl products out there especially in canada are extremely high quality, but, they are NOT approved therefore if you get sick, you have no recourse.  I would say no on cheap thai 50's (no such thing) and the cheap primo.  thai 50's are a product of a british company with the same die for their tab press.

you got a lot of good advice  from this thread so far, these guys know much more about building muscles than the eurorip artists offering to make it easy for you.  besides you are at the wrong place to find a blessing for using steroids.

good luck to you.

wow

THANKS